Moab Spring 2K6 Pics

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
Ever since, it's always been stated that if you wheel a IFS GM truck, that you will have to get an alignment done afterwards. Most of this is simply due to it being IFS but something has to move/give for it to come out of alignment and many times the mis-alignment is toe.

Kind of off topic but your post reminded me of this. I recall someone mentioning 6 months or so ago about a national tire chain that offers a lifetime alignment. Whenever you think it might need it you just go back and they do it for free. Anyone remember this or is it all in my imagination?

[Tah2oe]

Originally posted by H2 Rocks:

Look at the shiny new sway bar connecting rod!

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Ever since, it's always been stated that if you wheel a IFS GM truck, that you will have to get an alignment done afterwards. Most of this is simply due to it being IFS but something has to move/give for it to come out of alignment and many times the mis-alignment is toe.

Kind of off topic but your post reminded me of this. I recall someone mentioning 6 months or so ago about a national tire chain that offers a lifetime alignment. Whenever you think it might need it you just go back and they do it for free. Anyone remember this or is it all in my imagination? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I said it, and H3s will work, but H2s with 37" tires won't.

Firestone service centers. A little over $100 for a lifetime alignment.

[MarineHawk]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
With the centerlink flexing so much it also is prematurely wearing out the pitman and idler arms where they attach to the centerlink, IMO.

How much, if any, do you think the Cognitos remedy this?

[dochummer]

Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I said it,

I said it first

Firestone service centers. A little over $100 for a lifetime alignment.

$129 when I got mine from Firestone, but stopped been any use when I got 37's. I understand some Firestone centers can do 37's, and I'm pretty sure other tire stores offer similar lifetime alignments. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I pd like $110 for mine. Used it 4 or 5 times so far...there's only one firestone across town...but definately handy...

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I said it,

I said it first

Firestone service centers. A little over $100 for a lifetime alignment.

$129 when I got mine from Firestone, but stopped been any use when I got 37's. I understand some Firestone centers can do 37's, and I'm pretty sure other tire stores offer similar lifetime alignments. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I probably knew about it because you said it........

but I still said it.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
I said it, and H3s will work, but H2s with 37" tires won't.

Firestone service centers. A little over $100 for a lifetime alignment.

Very cool thanks. I have a Firestone service center about 5 minutes from my house

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I said it,

I said it first

Firestone service centers. A little over $100 for a lifetime alignment.

$129 when I got mine from Firestone, but stopped been any use when I got 37's. I understand some Firestone centers can do 37's, and I'm pretty sure other tire stores offer similar lifetime alignments. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I probably knew about it because you said it........

but I still said it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hell, thanks everyone that may have said it, thought about it or knew about it

[PARAGON]

I've been crawling around under my truck (trying to keep my hands out of any unsuspecting slots) and I am really thinking that Cognito is on to something.

In that picture of CP on Metal Masher where the front tires are trying to meet up with each other in front of the truck, there is obviously something giving. We know it can't be just because the front end was drooping some because we do it all of the time without that kind of toe-in. So, assuming it was the centerlink because the centerlink is a tube of springy steel, it would have been bent upwards and toward the rear of the vehicle. This also creates rotation in the centerlink. The Cognitos braces against this rotation. While it preserves the pitman and idler arms, I am betting that it also reduces the amount of flexion experienced by the centerlink in situations such as the pictures shows.

I am thinking that the Fabtech tie-rods along with the Cognito kit is the best option for stabilizing the steering on our trucks and will reduce the chances of breaking.

Secondly and this is much more far-fetched a thought, I am wondering if this could possibly contribute to the failure of the CVs. A lot of stress is created on driveline equipment when the CVs cause the driveline to represent a U-shape (which would be the case if both front tires are pointing inward). If power is transferred to both tires and the tires are trying to point at each other, it seems that this creates a lot of bind on the front driveline.

[h2co-pilot]

Interesting P, still thinking about it and picturing it() but very interesting.

[h2co-pilot]

Alec- was that on Hell's prior to Escalator?

(**fingerscrossedpleasesayIdidn'tdoit** )

Those tires will not move on any rock. I believe that was the problem in Tellico when I pinned it slightly up on a bolder around a tight turn prior to a ledge (resulting in the bent knuckle/tie-rod end) and the slickrock in Moab. Not only do the knobs stick to wherever they are originally placed but they are wider than the body of the truck. So if I am squeezing through and obstacle they will toe in and but the body stays stationary, i.e.- that pic from Metal Masher.

Could we have aired down too much? Are the tires too knobby? Are they too wide? Any thoughts?

Ken and I have talked about trying some Super Swampers.

[h2co-pilot]

Roger that guys.

Originally posted by Alec W:
Yes prior to Escalator (**kenbrokeit**)

So does that mean I prolly did Escalator in 2WD?

(**pleasesayyesbecausethatwouldmakemeadrivingmah-sheeeeen**)