Why the FJ Cruiser is no Threat to the H3

[BlueTJCO]

rear,

[BlueTJCO]

more,

[BlueTJCO]

this one is tuff,

[BlueTJCO]

I ran Spring Creek with one and it made Spring Creek it's bitch....it was not even funny......I'm sure it took some money to get it where it was at but there was nothing stopping it......

[BlueTJCO]

turbo charged diesel engines
beefy ass solid axles
locked front and rear
front and rear coil springs

remove the side steps, a little lift, and boom.........

not to say that it's not the same as the H2......very capable when played with, but the Land Cruiser 80 series I had the chance to wheel with had my jaw dropping at every obstacle....

[31_bandits]

This isn't meant as inflammatory, and certainly Moon seems like a nice guy and has superior photoshop skills, but:

what is the obession of

A) comparing wildly modified 4wd's to stock H2s
and
B) calling wildly modified 4wd's "jeeps" or "four runners"

its not a jeep anymore by the time it makes the internets glory-pages. and that's not a landcruiser.

Does the presence of a Supra or 10 somewhere in california that can run a 1/4 mile faster than an Enzo mean that Toyotas are faster than Ferarris?

What that landcruiser does has nothing to do with what a landcruiser can do, it has something to do with the skill, budget, time, and knowledge of the modifier.

And remember that, like an H2, a landcruiser is a really nice truck. comfy and reasonably quiet and smooth riding and you can put people and stuff in it and all of those.

and by the time you make the above changes, you'll have mangled some or much or most of those virtues...

so you haven't necessarily gained or improved, you've changed.


I admire the H2 for being such a good offroad machine AND nice/comfy/smooth/quiet. plus its cool.

Lets see a stock landcruiser outclass an H2. If it can, it can, and that wouldn't shake me up much. I've got 50 years left to be old and crusty and drive something germane, sedate, and acceptable among the tea & crumpets crowd.

For now, i'm just going to continue to marvel at the H2s ability to do what only it can do - generate an emotional reaction from basically everybody.

[31_bandits]

i know this is the FJ/H3 thread, but it's ventured a bit off topic and if nobody minds i'll continue a bit O/T

does any non-hummer vehicle have guys like these guys that drive the Moab and rubicon and whatever trails in a stock truck that's still comfy/quiet/nice?

The Wrangler Rubi doesn't start that way, so its excluded (but the style is undeniably appealing, of course). Still, 99% of jeep offroad vids are modified, a good percentage of stock H2s seem to make film, no?

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by 31_bandits

This isn't meant as inflammatory, and certainly Moon seems like a nice guy and has superior photoshop skills, but:

what is the obession of

A) comparing wildly modified 4wd's to stock H2s
and
B) calling wildly modified 4wd's "jeeps" or "four runners"

its not a jeep anymore by the time it makes the internets glory-pages. and that's not a landcruiser.

Does the presence of a Supra or 10 somewhere in california that can run a 1/4 mile faster than an Enzo mean that Toyotas are faster than Ferarris?

What that landcruiser does has nothing to do with what a landcruiser can do, it has something to do with the skill, budget, time, and knowledge of the modifier.

And remember that, like an H2, a landcruiser is a really nice truck. comfy and reasonably quiet and smooth riding and you can put people and stuff in it and all of those.

and by the time you make the above changes, you'll have mangled some or much or most of those virtues...

so you haven't necessarily gained or improved, you've changed.


I admire the H2 for being such a good offroad machine AND nice/comfy/smooth/quiet. plus its cool.

Lets see a stock landcruiser outclass an H2. If it can, it can, and that wouldn't shake me up much. I've got 50 years left to be old and crusty and drive something germane, sedate, and acceptable among the tea & crumpets crowd.

For now, i'm just going to continue to marvel at the H2s ability to do what only it can do - generate an emotional reaction from basically everybody.

I admire them both.....and I really like the H2 and it's capabilities.........

but you are not convincing me that I cant compare a stock vehicle to a built up vehicle. If your going to get into wheeling your going to want to modify your vehicle at some point. So doesnt the ease of modifying that vehicle and the price of modifying it come into play somewhere? The H2 is good in stock form, YES! One of the BEST!

But show me an H2 with solid front and rear axles, e-locker front and rear, center diff locker, and some of the other doo dads they have. The Land Cruiser is very comparable to the H2..........trust me........

and a built up Jeep is in it's own league.....I dont compare them to an H2 because they both are very different with the angles they must approach and obstacle at, wheelbase, size, yada yada yada......A jeep is a Jeep and the only thing I'd compare it to may be a D-90 or a well built sami....

[ShaggyX]

With a good driver I would say the following vehicles could make it through the rubicon based on what I have heard and seen (videos/Pics):

H1
H2
H3
Tacoma TRD
FJ Crusier (with DL and/or Atrac Options)
LandCrusier 80 Series (like the one Moon posted...but stock)
Xterra (05+ Offroad Addition)
Wrangler Rubicon
S10 Zr2 (with me behind the wheel)
Blazer Zr2 (with real tires...and me behind the wheel)
D90
Range Rover

ok...this list is getting too long...you get the point. I honestly believe that any Stock Truck in the >30" tire class, and a locker could do the Rubicon with a good driver.

As far as On-Road/Off-Road Creature Comforts...more or less just compare prices and you can tell which ones are more comfortable on road. Call $35k the comfy cut off. >$35k is probably posh. <$35k is not.

Just my unbiased (believe it or not) .02

[Aubs]

See, I agree with 31 bandits. Once you start doing all this stuff to a vehicle, it's become something else. Would you actually want to drive that LC around all the time?? It has to walk all over the place, not to mention the handling. In my mind, it's stock or nothing. Putting all this money into modifications is silly. I was just driving around, looking at stock LC's. There is hardly any room for articulation (same for the FJ), and there's so much overhang front and back. I had a '99 LC, and it was just not made for heavy duty off-road venturing. Unless you modified it. But then it's a modified off-road vehicle, not a LC. So all comparisons should be stock/stock. Maybe we should make that a rule.

Back to the FJ, I just want to see one following me or an H3, both COMPLETELY STOCK, and see which comes out on top. No mods. Just what the factory gave you.

IF, for some reason, you WANT to compare stock to ungodly modified, then both vehicles SHOULD BE MODIFIED. This comparing stock to modified is stupid. Because, obviously, the modified one will be better.

Besides, I could probably take an Aztec with 4WD, and make it into an awesome modified off-road beast. It would have sharp looks (don't cut yourself on the pointy edges), all the soccer mommy comforts (and air vents EXACTLY like an H2!), and it would look sooooo cool!

[DTHVLY]

Originally Posted by Aubs

I just want to see one of these things in action, and not stuck in a mudpit somewhere while rodeo music blares. http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...4&categoryId=1

Stock FJ (other than ARB bumper) on Hells Gate and Potato Salad.

[Aubs]

Not you again. I thought you disappeared? You're the insane FJ fanatic.

Someone would know more about what those pictures mean than me. I've never been there.

I would say, an H3 would do it better!

[Aubs]

Awesome stock powerlessness!

I am in awe of the LC.

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by Aubs

Not you again. I thought you disappeared? You're the insane FJ fanatic.

Someone would know more about what those pictures mean than me. I've never been there.

I would say, an H3 would do it better!

it means that stock, that FJ just completed what your H2 will complete, stock...........

[DDWH]

Originally Posted by Mooncricket

it means that stock, that FJ just completed what your H2 will complete, stock...........

COUGH BULLSH!T COUGH!

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by sfox

It must be nice to get to drive corporate sponsored trucks that you don't care about for a living...btw, not sure that he actually "completed" potato salad without a winch line.

Don't get suckered in guys, the two FJ's pictured above are owned by Toyota, being driven by professional drivers employeed by Toyota and are more or less just advertising.

DTHVLY did you ever confirm or deny your employment selling FJ's?

S

P.S Neither pictured is stock, they both have aftermarket bumpers, aftermarket (and larger than available stock) tires, and I'm guessing both have done the switch to bypass the stock acutrac system.

and your going to tell me that "most" of the H2's that we see in your "videos" dont have bigger tires then stock, aftermarket bumpers, racks, yada yada yada?? Those look pretty darn stock to me, **** they have BFG All Terrains........ And who cares what the driver skill level is or who owns the damn vehicle, they completed it..............

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by DDWH

COUGH BULLSH!T COUGH!

dude come on................you are so ****ing clueless if you think the FJ cruiser isn't a capable off-road vehicle. Toyota knows their ****.....Now the H2 and H3 and H1 are all also very capable and I'm sure the H2 would destroy the FJ offroad. But an H3 would be very easily matched.....

[DRTYFN]

Originally Posted by DTHVLY

Stock FJ (other than ARB bumper) on Hells Gate and Potato Salad.

Hmmmm... no Escalator. I'm soooo surprised.
And I only see the FJ on PS. Must see video for verification.