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[Urban Ops]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

It doesn't take "power" to wheel. Tacomas and pathfinders do it with 110 horsepower.

Hell my Samurai will out wheel most with just 64 ponies.

[GotSandH3]

Iv wheels many times in my H3. With me being the only one in it and also with 3 other people in it. If you think about it that like an average of an extra 500-600lbs. The engine doesnt seem to struggle while "Crawling" with that extra weight. Im not sure how much those bumpers weight, but I dout that they are 600lbs.

[Hummer Kid]

So sewie answer the question is donkey kong right or wrong on their statement on here. You seem to be the the all american pro of 4 wheeling here so please give us advice on what donkey kong said ?Funny how no one has disputed anything that donkey kong said on here I wander WHY ?They are the one that made it sound like you were not going to go wheeling again with out getting stuck WERENT THEY ?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Hummer Kid

So sewie answer the question is donkey kong right or wrong on their statement on here. You seem to be the the all american pro of 4 wheeling here so please give us advice on what donkey kong said ?Funny how no one has disputed anything that donkey kong said on here I wander WHY ?They are the one that made it sound like you were not going to go wheeling again with out getting stuck WERENT THEY ?

Donkey Kong is wrong, period.

[Anti-BlInG]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Donkey Kong is wrong, period.

You make be glad.

[Hummer Kid]

THANKS !

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Urban Ops

Hell my Samurai will out wheel most with just 64 ponies.

OMFG.....you gotta be kidding, 64 HP???? LMFAO, if that doesn't prove it, nothing else will.

[Urban Ops]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

OMFG.....you gotta be kidding, 64 HP???? LMFAO, if that doesn't prove it, nothing else will.

LOL, yea, thats on a good day. It's all about the gearing. 114:1 is a great low.

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

OMFG.....you gotta be kidding, 64 HP???? LMFAO, if that doesn't prove it, nothing else will.

Yeah, but my buddy's Samarai weighs less than my Quad! (If I'm not mistaken, my quad's Vtwin fuel injected Rotax has more POWER than his sammy!!!!)

[Urban Ops]

Bumpers look gret by the way. I would be a little concerned about approach angle though. When are you going to yank out the IFS and put in a straight axle and coilovers?

[Urban Ops]

Originally Posted by Huck BB62

Yeah, but my buddy's Samarai weighs less than my Quad! (If I'm not mistaken, my quad's Vtwin fuel injected Rotax has more POWER than his sammy!!!!)

Few things out there have less HP than a Samurai, lol.

FYI, my Sammy weighs in at 2500 lbs with big tires, roll cage and winch bumper.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Urban Ops

Bumpers look gret by the way. I would be a little concerned about approach angle though. When are you going to yank out the IFS and put in a straight axle and coilovers?

Well, as I posted earlier, it can't be affected. The "Overhang" yes. But the winch is placed higher than the other options out there.

Keep in mind I'm running 35's and have the t-bars cranked with Rancho 9000's already. So my approach angle was way improved over stock to start with.

I'm gonna set up my FZJ80 next, it all ready has a straight axle

The HUMMER stays IFS.

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by Hummer Kid

No we are going a diffrent direction. but thanks for spending the time to pull up old threads. You're welcome. wow you have alot of free time. Well, sorting through all 30 of your posts for that nugget was very time consuming. But thanks for careing so much and wanting be kept updated. Did i GIVE YOU advice on wheeling You posted your drivel in an open forum, so in a sense, yes. OR did it say someting in the matter of big trucks like those in the photos dont go wheeling. Anyone knows if you take a big f 250 or f 350 diesal you will get stuck due the weight of the diesal and how much fun can it be in a 4 door long bed truck wheeling.But no we aready put 35 BFGS mud tires on it.And the last response i did ask a question about weight not giving you advice as you stated but maybe you can search and find some olds threads for us or maybe you can answer it for us on the more weight since you are the expert as you think . Really? I said that? Can you show me where. Heres a question for you ?IS DONKEY KONG RIGHT OR WRONG ON WHAT HE SAID HERE ? I GUESS YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT SO PLEASE TELL US ????

So sad. All those edits and you're still owned by spelling and proper sentence structure.

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by Hummer Kid

So sewie answer the question is donkey kong right or wrong on their statement on here. It depends on which statement you're referring to. You seem to be the the all american pro of 4 wheeling here Wow, is that like an official title? Does it come with a T-shirt? so please give us advice on what donkey kong said ? Why? Funny how no one has disputed anything that donkey kong said on here I wander WHY ? You're still new here so I'll give you some more time to think about it. They are the one that made it sound like you were not going to go wheeling again with out getting stuck WERENT THEY ?

Did you figure it out yet? No, then I'll help you out a bit. Donkey Kong is a bitter AE. I don't need or even want to respond to his BS.

You on the other hand, come off as a punk ass, zit popping, little troll. How about you post up some pics of that H3 of yours with the 35's. Otherwise, STFU.

[stagger_lee]

Just a side note for the Kid, wheeling ability has little to do with weight as long as you have the power and torque to move it. Weight can help you keep that rubber on the ground. Its wheelbase. Thats why the samuri does so well and full size trucks dont. It doesn't get hung up in the middle because the wheels are so close together. Fullsize vehicles have an easier time with obsticles like The Golden Crack where a stretch is needed.

And the bumper ish. I know what Donkey is saying, but the loss of angle is going to be so minimal, compared the protection to your front and rear end, and winch mount up high. Pros far outweigh cons, and looks f-in wicked tough at that.

Avoid bad take off angles and hit the obsticle at an angle not straight ahead, no big deal.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Just a side note for the Kid, wheeling ability has little to do with weight as long as you have the power and torque to move it.

wrong

you have a finite amount of contact patch area. The more weight you add to a vehicle the more that finite area has to keep grip and move. Gravity is working against that in any climbing situation, so the weight is trying to transfer downhill, causing the the truck to slide. More weight, more slide.

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

wrong

you have a finite amount of contact patch area. The more weight you add to a vehicle the more that finite area has to keep grip and move. Gravity is working against that in any climbing situation, so the weight is trying to transfer downhill, causing the the truck to slide. More weight, more slide.

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

In that prespective, I stand corrected. ,

[Urban Ops]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

[HummBebe]

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

A couple hundred "additional" lbs?

While I know Neil's stuff weighs a lot more, I can't see it weight that much more. Do you have the exact numbers - stocks with winch vs your new setup?