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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HammerH2:
I have no doubt from watching the videos, rumors, and pictures your group is fealess and borderline retarded.  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And we're also damn goodlooking people.
I would love to play follow the leader with Liveordie.
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10-28-2005, 03:05 PM
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Paragon is dead on with this.
If pure supply and demand explain price increases, it SHOULD adjust downwards quickly also, when the "emergencies" are removed (as others have stated).
The above article seemed to be geared to "calm" consumers anger over retail gas stations' prices ( -- "In contrast, distributors, marketers, and retailers receive just a penny more than in 2004"). The complaint here is against ExxonMobil, not individual gas station owners.
The point of how many billions was costing the petroleum industry to comply with regulations is IRRELEVANT simply because the $9.9 billion profit has absorbed any and all such costs (hence, PROFIT).
Housing price inflation is NOT the least bit comparable. As others have also stated, you have a choice of other houses to buy, no real choice about other means of auto fuel (at least none economical). Too, the increase in housing pairs with many increases in living standards (more spacious rooms, attached garage standard, better insulations, upgraded wiring, better fridge, etc.). In what way does today's expensive gas improve my living standard? Last, housing cost is an INVESTMENT. You can recoup (even at some lost if necessary) when you sell. How you gonna get back your gas EXPENSES?
Remember, $9.9Billion is profit of JUST 1 GAWD-DAMN COMPANY (record for any company in any industry in the US). Isn't the close second place running another $9+billion profit?! 
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10-31-2005, 02:50 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FreeorDie2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Shut it turd. Suckin up to Alec is fruitless. He's our resident Limey.
We don't ban weaklings so you're safe to bytch and whine like the vagina you are.
25 years leading what? Real men??? Fag. I guess next you'll tell us is that you did Potato Salad.  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
So. . .is this the post of a "true" tough guy? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you come to Moab, I bet I can make you pee your pants.  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have no doubt from watching the videos, rumors, and pictures your group is fealess and borderline retarded.
That would be a true test of tough and I don't think FreeorCry will ever step up to that kind of challenge. 
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10-28-2005, 03:20 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Poseur:
I notice that as soon as the commodities market clicks up a cent, it is reflected at the pump in 3 seconds. However, if it the market goes down 30 cents, the price at the pump doesn't go down for 3 weeks! $##$@@!#
It's because the station owners will raise the price of gas with the market even though the gas in their tanks was purchased at a lower price. Once they refill those tanks at the higher gas price, they cannot lower their price much and make a profit on the gas they are holding so they must keep the price up even after the pricing goes back down until they refill their tanks at the new lower price. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Station owners are working from tank load to tank load. EACH fuel delievery is paid for or has to be paid for buy wire transfer in less than 24hours. Most tanks at stations are 20,000gals and each station might have 3. 2 tanks of 87 and 1 tank of premium. Not a whole lot of stations can turn over 20,000gals in a day when the average is only 100,000 to 150,000gals a month. Sure 1 station might be able to turn over 1,000,000gals a month but it is very rare.
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10-29-2005, 07:18 PM
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What a bunch of F'ing idiots. You are simply trying to win an argument instead of offering anything of real value to the discussion. Trying to make things personal. "It's a Hummer forum..." "you don't have to buy the fuel".
Just F'ing idiots. Everything..... absolutely everything in the US economy is affected by the price of fuel. Everything you buy from the sandpaper you wipe your butt with to the Evian water you drink is affected by the price of fuel. If you don't understand that there are only a handful of oil companies that directly and daily control fuel prices, then move on, you don't have enough knowledge to participate in this discussion.
The oil market of the past 3-5 years is nothing near the oil market it was before. Why in the hell are gas prices dropping now? Because they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, nothing else. There were no production increases or anything else to explain the $0.25 drop in regular gasoline except pressure was starting to be applied. Did a correlating drop in diesel fuel happen? NO! Why? Because trucking companies are passing the buck along to the consumer right now and are not crying as much, except for the little businesses that don't matter.
Let me say this one more time for those of you that don't realize this. Exxon/Mobil receives about $25,000,000,000 ($25B) every year in some form of subsidies from the United States Government. So, if you don't understand why this argument needs to be had then there is no one intelligent enough to explain it to you.
If you still don't get it and think they are simply trying to make a profit. Exxon/Mobil is sitting on over $30BILLION is liquid cash. CASH!!! If you can't add all of this up and see that a publicly traded company that provides a commercial necessity to the US economy, who also receives ridiculous amounts of subsidy from the government, and then is able to nationally increase the price of fuel in the matter of a day, then..... ding, your fries are done!
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he/she? his/hers? dood/not dood? Go take a hike!! 
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10-31-2005, 09:47 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Oops.... Alec, read the PM. I just figured out how to see the cache and who made the administration changes and I am not sure he ever actually said it WASN'T him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sounds like some exclusionary PM'ing is going on. 
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10-31-2005, 11:59 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slgcmng:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Now what's this thread about? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Guns, chicks, gas, money, and F'in idiots  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think we got all the bases covered then  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LMFAO!

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10-27-2005, 09:57 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> You Capitalist Pig!!!!
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I am! 
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10-29-2005, 11:27 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
What a bunch of F'ing idiots. You are simply trying to win an argument instead of offering anything of real value to the discussion. Trying to make things personal. "It's a Hummer forum..." "you don't have to buy the fuel".
Just F'ing idiots. Everything..... absolutely everything in the US economy is affected by the price of fuel. Everything you buy from the sandpaper you wipe your butt with to the Evian water you drink is affected by the price of fuel. If you don't understand that there are only a handful of oil companies that directly and daily control fuel prices, then move on, you don't have enough knowledge to participate in this discussion.
The oil market of the past 3-5 years is nothing near the oil market it was before. Why in the hell are gas prices dropping now? Because they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, nothing else. There were no production increases or anything else to explain the $0.25 drop in regular gasoline except pressure was starting to be applied. Did a correlating drop in diesel fuel happen? NO! Why? Because trucking companies are passing the buck along to the consumer right now and are not crying as much, except for the little businesses that don't matter.
Let me say this one more time for those of you that don't realize this. Exxon/Mobil receives about $25,000,000,000 ($25B) every year in some form of subsidies from the United States Government. So, if you don't understand why this argument needs to be had then there is no one intelligent enough to explain it to you.
If you still don't get it and think they are simply trying to make a profit. Exxon/Mobil is sitting on over $30BILLION is liquid cash. CASH!!! If you can't add all of this up and see that a publicly traded company that provides a commercial necessity to the US economy, who also receives ridiculous amounts of subsidy from the government, and then is able to nationally increase the price of fuel in the matter of a day, then..... ding, your fries are done! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It seems clear that you are the right one to identify F'ing idiots from the content of your post. . .and your ability to relate a ding sound to finished fast food obviously comes from recent personal experience.
Check the commodity market for futures prices, Einstien. Check the world demand increases over the last few years, especially in India and China. Pick up the Wall Street Journal or, God Forbid, read a book. It's a global economy and we're not the only ones consuming oil. Regardless of how quickly they were able to get refineries back on line, the fact that 15 or 20 of them were off-line reduced supply. . .and that increases price. Distiribution was disrupted and that reduced supply. . .and that increases price. And why are prices going back down? The refineries are back on line and distribution has been squared away. That increases supply and reduces the price. It's called economics 101.
My point is now and has been that the price of gas is what it is. . . and it's still cheap by any measure. And I don't care if XOM is sitting on 100 billion in cash. They earn it and they are entitled to sit on it or flush it down the john if they wish. You don't like the price of gas? You think they are all crooks? Then open your own oil company and sell gas for a nickel a gallon.
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10-31-2005, 05:34 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
Or let's change the subject to football </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FreeorDie2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Have you been paying attention to their quarterly profit reports for the last couple of years? They have recorded RECORD profits alomst every quarter for quite some time now.
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So what? Let me get this straight. . . Those who invest in Exxon Mobile pony up the dough to do the research, do the drilling, get the oil, refine it, and get it to market. They take all the risks and the company does all the work. For their risk and effort, when demand is high (and it's never been higher), they get to charge what the market will pay (and India and China will PAY!).
But you, doing nothing to find, drill, recover, refine, or retail the oil somehow should get it cheap? The Exxon investors should forego their profit so you can drive around all you want without spending more money?
Man oh man. . . you must be VERY special!
Either that or a socialist. . . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I find that many "hard-core" conservatives become socialists the moment something affects their own wallet. Principaled, sincere, real conservatism requires one to be intellectually honest and accept the bad with the good that comes from a sincerely held and CONSISTENT belief system.
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The mod is playing
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10-28-2005, 03:17 PM
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P R O F I T $9.9 BILLION FOR 1 QUARTER.
ALL ARGUMENTS ARE BELONG TO IRRELEVANT 
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10-27-2005, 10:19 PM
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Bondage, you don't have to go for the full on party grab. Just gently give her the airport smuggler's pat down- over the clothes. You don't want to have a Mag-Lite swinging in your face later. 
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10-30-2005, 09:15 PM
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SIGH  ......
You had such a bright future here.
Oh well. 
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10-30-2005, 03:24 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slgcmng:
My opinion is that I feel it is wrong for them to be making that much of a profit when there is really no other alternative to fuel. I feel that there should be government restictions due to the fact there are no alternatives. If it were another company like Walmart making that much, then so be it. There are tons of other places to buy food and other household items. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>DING!!!  ( "We have a winner!!! kindda ding  )
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
The mod is playing
I really hope this mod is not someone I know who has lied to my face becuase it will make me sad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ME TOO!  Dennis!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bondage:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Pad. Pad. Pad. Pad. Pad whore.

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ps - glad to hear you are feeling better. I was afraid you'd cough up a testicle or something......

Does my infatuation with Jennifer make me gay? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Not you too??!! 
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10-31-2005, 01:40 PM
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Or let's change the subject to football, and talk about how Green Bay is over, done with.
No more.
Bye Bye.
No playoffs for Farve this year. 
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