Why the FJ Cruiser is no Threat to the H3

[NEOCON1]

they are funny over there on that forum pretty stuffy compared to the freaks we got here

[Aubs]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

compared to the freaks we got here

Am I included in that category?

[NEOCON1]

both of us are for sure man

[Aubs]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

both of us are for sure man

Yeah, I mean, just look at me:


I scare children when I walk down the street.

[NEOCON1]

LMAO maybe you are a bigger freak than me dont let CP get that pic she will give you some nice eyeshadow and who knows what else you kinda got the Shrek thing goin on LOL

[DRTYFN]

Originally Posted by Aubs

Yeah, I mean, just look at me:


I scare children when I walk down the street.

HOLY MISSING CHROMOSOME!!!!!

[Aubs]

Originally Posted by DRTYFN

HOLY MISSING CHROMOSOME!!!!!

The lab technicians told my parents that one wasn't really important when they made me in the test tube.

[31_bandits]

Hey you guys, try this:

the toyota tundra is rated at >10" of ground clearance, with my air suspension not engaged my H2 is rated at 9.9"

I measured them both the other day & took pictures, but the pictures didn't turn out very well. However, the H2 is ~10" to the rear differential, and with or without the rear suspension engaged the next lowest point is ~11" and is the front skidplate. the protection cage behind the skidplate is >12", and the rest of the underbody is 13-14" or so

The Tundra has an abundance of things - covering the length of the vehicle - that are ~9", 9.5", less than 9" and so on.


The same is true of the FJ and the H3. I haven't taken a ruler to those vehicles, but i've crawled underneath and used my shoe. My guess is that not only is the clearance of the FJ not greater than the H3, its at least an inch less. and the underbody protection isn't up to the standards of the hummers.

I recommend trying this at home.


And further, i recommend that somebody compare many different vehicles, all measured the same way, because the manufacturers specs for ground clearance are completely screwy.

i didn't find anywhere on an H3 with the offroad tires that was 9.1". maybe hummer rated it lower to differentiate from the H2. And there's no way in heck that the Tundra is 10.4" off the ground, and i don't care how you measure it.

same for alot/most of the vehicles on the road. i think ground clearance is best left to a ruler, and not to the internet and makers spec sheets.

[31_bandits]

i recieved a "reputation" for this thread...

what does that mean? its 10 points as far as i can tell.

[NEOCON1]

its funny how they never state the clearance from the bell housing or the shock mounts , those are usually the lowest points

[NEOCON1]

hey bandits , you had a reputation long before this thread we just wont mention what it was

[31_bandits]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

hey bandits , you had a reputation long before this thread we just wont mention what it was

dammit!

i thought buying a hummer would help with that

[Aubs]

Originally Posted by 31_bandits

dammit!

i thought buying a hummer would help with that

That picture effectively silenced this thread!

Must bear a resemblance to DTHVLY himself. No wonder he's turned to the FJ Cruiser. It might be his only hope! However, I think even gay men are a little more selective than that!!!

[Aubs]

Originally Posted by 31_bandits

i recieved a "reputation" for this thread...

what does that mean? its 10 points as far as i can tell.

It means you're:
1. Cool
2. Managing to keep to the topic, as always!

[31_bandits]

hey, thanks aubs.

[Roktoy]

Being a former 4runner owner with 33's then i went with a few jeeps, locked F/R with 35's, now I own a hummer. Not sure why all the hatred towards other vehicles, I respect those vehicles, wrangler is a great vehicle, FJ is really good too, i respect any manufacturer that will produce a vehicle with a rear locker.
Anyway about toyota's they measure the ground clearance at the center of the front differential skid, which is why their ground clearance is overstated.

[31_bandits]

Originally Posted by Roktoy

Being a former 4runner owner with 33's then i went with a few jeeps, locked F/R with 35's, now I own a hummer. Not sure why all the hatred towards other vehicles, I respect those vehicles, wrangler is a great vehicle, FJ is really good too, i respect any manufacturer that will produce a vehicle with a rear locker.
Anyway about toyota's they measure the ground clearance at the center of the front differential skid, which is why their ground clearance is overstated.

I do not presume to speak for everyone, only for myself.

But i think what might seem like antagonism towards other vehicles is more reaction to hummer-bashing that frequents the web.

For example, the signature that i have on my posts currently pokes a bit of fun at jeep owners. I have always liked grand cherokees, they're good lookin (and wildly common around here, wildly).

I think jeeps are cool, and i think its neat what people do to make modified 4WDs, and i think all these different vehicles are neat, from 'Benz Gs to land rovers and beyond.

However, the behavior towards hummers of the online jeep community is (while fascinating) little short of deranged. Outside of the 100s of threads devoted to nothing more than H2 bashing, the preparation of videos with fake footage, and all of that, there are threads boasting about vandalism done to H2s, condoning violence towards H2 drivers and worse. Their behavior is completely preposterous.


Dig through to the beginning of this board - the old threads - people with no knowledge of hummers first or second hand come on the board, insult the vehicles, insult the owners, and get completely silly. And not silly like a room full of high school girls, silly like an idiot.

And as such, i think that hummer owners may tend to stick up for their vehicles a bit.

Plus, this is a hummer forum, and at least one member who is not a hummer guy has actively campaigned for the FJ against the H3, and i feel that the H3 is a better truck, and better built for offroading, and so i entered what thoughts i could in its support.


And i wasn't FJ bashing or Landcruiser bashing above, landcruisers are cool, very nice trucks. But they are no H2 offroading unless wildly modified.

And i dig wildly modified vehicles as well, but they aren't "jeeps" anymore, and that was my basic point.

[31_bandits]

Also, to go along with that, Hummers are sort of on the opposite end of the spectrum of reviewer-darlins, like say BMW or Toyota or Honda.

a beemer will always get a good review, always. and they will get more than they deserve from reviewers, because reviewers tend to follow other reviewers and blah blah blah.

hummers are on the other end of the spectra. they tend to get "knocked" far more than is deserved. Outside of the H2, i think the H3 is the most underrated truck on the road.

From jpmagazine articles with no purpose beyond a) hummer bashing and b) whining about the cost of hummers to reviews by car magazine writers whining because hummers don't go 0-60 in 5 seconds, they rarely seem to get a fair shake.

And perhaps that leads to people wanting to stick up for their hummers a bit as well.

Short of interior space (only a bit worse than a typical other full-size SUV, and necessarily, as the H2 is shortened to produce those awesome offroad dimensions) & acceleration, the H2 gives up basically nothing to other Lux SUVs. Its quieter than an '06 Escalade (i measured both on the same road with an SPL meter about 20 minutes apart) on the highway, its more comfortable than any other vehicle on the planet in the front seats (personal opinion, of course). And it drives like an extremely well behaved truck, and isn't as carlike as other big SUVs can be (range or escalade). but you know what? it IS a truck, and i prefer the H2s driving behavior to that of the sports-car-fast Escalade. I accept that others might have a different opinion.

But find a review, and people will slander everything about the H2 to no end. why? preconception maybe?

and perhaps that leads people to stick up for their hummers a bit as well.


shrug

but i for one, and i think others also, don't hate/aren't hating other vehicles.

but sometimes reacting to the jeep thign with generally funny commentary.

[BlueTJCO]

Originally Posted by DRTYFN

HOLY MISSING CHROMOSOME!!!!!

and I thought this was one of those "retarded kid" OWNED pics.....

[Aubs]

Originally Posted by Mooncricket

and I thought this was one of those "retarded kid" OWNED pics.....

That was what he looked like AFTER my Agent took care of him.