Lawmakers approve financial aid to illegal immigrants

[f5fstop]

Glad I don't live in Kalifornia, this bill would drive me over the edge. How does the Kalifornia legislators warrant something like this when there are plenty of needy US Citizens who can't afford college and can't get aid. Or, how about people like me, who paid so far half of two kid's college educations (one at Oakland U, the other at Arizona) and still paying half for my last kid at MSU?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...a/15391999.htm

SACRAMENTO - Students who came to the country illegally could apply for state financial aid when they attend California colleges and universities under legislation approved Tuesday by the Assembly in a party-line vote.

Supporters said immigrant children who have graduated and completed at least three years of high school in California should not be penalized for their parents' decision to bring them to the U.S. illegally.

"It is one small measure to help these kids that are working their butts off to live the American dream," said Assemblyman Hector De La Torre, D-South Gate.

The bill would build upon existing state law that allows the same group of students to qualify for in-state tuition at California public schools and community colleges based on high school attendance, rather than U.S. citizenship or state residency.

Critics said offering financial aid to illegal immigrants would shortchange needy American students already competing for a small pot of money.

"We're talking about limited resources here," said Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, R-Irvine. "There's only so much that can go around. It's a slap in the face to people who have followed the rules."

Lawmakers approved SB160 by a 43-27 vote, with no Republicans supporting it, and sent it to the Senate for final approval. Aides to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he had taken no position on the bill.

[ssgharkness020147]

WTF is wrong with this country. This crap with the illegals is starting to really piss me off.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

OMG, that makes me furious!

[f5fstop]

Tell me about it. I have never complained about paying for half of my kids tuition to colleges (ex-wife pays the other half), but if the state of MI started giving financial aid to illegals, I would go completely crazy. How in the hell can they even think of that. If they have that much money to spread around, lower the tuition for all the kids, including those who have parents paying the bill.
This country is going to **** really fast. Hell, we don't have to worry about the terrorists, all they have to do is wait, and we will completely destroy this country all by ourselves.

[wilfred]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

Glad I don't live in Kalifornia, this bill would drive me over the edge. How does the Kalifornia legislators warrant something like this when there are plenty of needy US Citizens who can't afford college and can't get aid. Or, how about people like me, who paid so far half of two kid's college educations (one at Oakland U, the other at Arizona) and still paying half for my last kid at MSU?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...a/15391999.htm

SACRAMENTO - Students who came to the country illegally could apply for state financial aid when they attend California colleges and universities under legislation approved Tuesday by the Assembly in a party-line vote.

Supporters said immigrant children who have graduated and completed at least three years of high school in California should not be penalized for their parents' decision to bring them to the U.S. illegally.

"It is one small measure to help these kids that are working their butts off to live the American dream," said Assemblyman Hector De La Torre, D-South Gate.

The bill would build upon existing state law that allows the same group of students to qualify for in-state tuition at California public schools and community colleges based on high school attendance, rather than U.S. citizenship or state residency.

Critics said offering financial aid to illegal immigrants would shortchange needy American students already competing for a small pot of money.

"We're talking about limited resources here," said Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, R-Irvine. "There's only so much that can go around. It's a slap in the face to people who have followed the rules."

Lawmakers approved SB160 by a 43-27 vote, with no Republicans supporting it, and sent it to the Senate for final approval. Aides to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he had taken no position on the bill.

This is totally BS!!!

The illegals are taking away more money from the American citizens, while the legal immigrants have to pay a premium as foreign students. So it's better to be an illegal immigrant than a legal one?

And since when you only need to complete 3 years of high school and still be able to graduate???

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by wilfred

And since when you only need to complete 3 years of high school and still be able to graduate???

Since at least 5 years ago, that I'm aware of. Anyone can easily get enough credits to graduate in 3.5 years. I graduated after my 3rd year of HS, but that was with testing out/advanced transfers. They wouldn't let me do it any faster, so that must be the magic number of years.

[DDWH]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

Glad I don't live in Kalifornia, this bill would drive me over the edge. How does the Kalifornia legislators warrant something like this when there are plenty of needy US Citizens who can't afford college and can't get aid. Or, how about people like me, who paid so far half of two kid's college educations (one at Oakland U, the other at Arizona) and still paying half for my last kid at MSU?

It's beacuase we have abunch of San Fran Cisco Ghey Bay liberal bastids running the damn show in Sacramento........Doesn't matter how much you bitch, etc.....the bezekley grads legislate thier socialist ideals

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by DDWH

It's beacuase we have abunch of San Fran Cisco Ghey Bay liberal bastids running the damn show in Sacramento........Doesn't matter how much you bitch, etc.....the bezekley grads legislate thier socialist ideals

Actually, the writer of the bill is from LA-LA land.

http://democrats.sen.ca.gov/templates/SDCTemplate.asp?cp=MemberPage&pg=senhome&sln=Cedil lo&sdn=22&zrn=Zone/

Not all the liberal wackos in this state are from the Bay Area.

Hopefully, the Governator will have the balls to sh*tcan this. I'm not counting on it, but we can hope.

[KenP]

Send 'em all back home or to Canada.

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by KenP

Send 'em all back home or to Canada.

The liberals.

[DDWH]

Originally Posted by Sewie

The liberals.

X2!

I know they are not all from the ghey bay, that's just where I am from and I get to read the local rags when I visit my parents. I know LA has its sectors of anuses aswell.


Democratic Caucus Message

The Senate is committed to leading the effort to return our government's focus back to the basic issues that matter most to the minority of Californians: education, transportation, public health, and reliable energy for Illegal aliens.

[Hmmm2]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

Hell, we don't have to worry about the terrorists, all they have to do is wait, and we will completely destroy this country all by ourselves.

x2

[wilfred]

Few months ago, i read it somewhere on this forum they were setting up water tanks by the border for the illegals, now they are offering financial aid to illegals, what's next?

[The Green Lantern]

This is Bullshit , I applied for financial aid a couple of times but didn't qualify. Since my G.I. Bill is not enough going to a private school, I have to work more than 40 hours a week just to survive!!!....

[The Green Lantern]

[jfox]

It is not uncommon for border states to have some kind of assistance for foreign students. Most universities and colleges also have the same allowances for international students. Undocumented citizens are not eligible for federal money but they are eligible for state aid. At public Texas universities the state aid awarded is revenue from tuition and fees. Portions are set aside for citizens and non-citizens according to the applicant pool and date of application. Award amounts are often not enough to cover the cost of tuition and fees, so it is hardly a free ride. Undocumented citizens are given a deadline to either follow the steps to become legal citizens or lose their aid.

US parents often think that they are entitled to financial aid and award amounts should cover 100% of students costs. A secondary education is not free. Aid is intended to be a supplement to funds the parent has set aside for the student. From personal experience it is difficult to consel a parent who has a 6 figure salary trying to explain why the student is only eligible for loans and not grant money. Once I mention loans it is about that time the parent tells me they only have so much money to maintain their luxury houses, vehicles and who should pay for their kids education. Ggrrrrrr

[wilfred]

Originally Posted by jfox

It is not uncommon for border states to have some kind of assistance for foreign students. Most universities and colleges also have the same allowances for international students. Undocumented citizens are not eligible for federal money but they are eligible for state aid. At public Texas universities the state aid awarded is revenue from tuition and fees. Portions are set aside for citizens and non-citizens according to the applicant pool and date of application. Award amounts are often not enough to cover the cost of tuition and fees, so it is hardly a free ride. Undocumented citizens are given a deadline to either follow the steps to become legal citizens or lose their aid.

US parents often think that they are entitled to financial aid and award amounts should cover 100% of students costs. A secondary education is not free. Aid is intended to be a supplement to funds the parent has set aside for the student. From personal experience it is difficult to consel a parent who has a 6 figure salary trying to explain why the student is only eligible for loans and not grant money. Once I mention loans it is about that time the parent tells me they only have so much money to maintain their luxury houses, vehicles and who should pay for their kids education. Ggrrrrrr

Unless things have changed, there was no assistance for international students at all. I was considered as an international student (because I was a legal immigrant but wasn't a US citizen at the time) and while attending a community college for my general education, my tuition was around $200~$300 per unit. Meanwhile, US citizens only have to pay $5 or $10 per unit. I have no problem with that because I wasn't a US citizen and neither my parents or myself were paying any taxes. So it makes perfect sense we have to pay more to get an education here. As a matter of fact, I remember we had to provide bank statement showing the ability to pay the tuition and expenses during my stay because international students are not allowed to work in this country.

Now to offer financial aid to the illegals is complete BS!

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by wilfred

Unless things have changed, there was no assistance for international students at all. I was considered as an international student (because I was a legal immigrant but wasn't a US citizen at the time) and while attending a community college for my general education, my tuition was around $200~$300 per unit. Meanwhile, US citizens only have to pay $5 or $10 per unit. I have no problem with that because I wasn't a US citizen and neither my parents or myself were paying any taxes. So it makes perfect sense we have to pay more to get an education here. As a matter of fact, I remember we had to provide bank statement showing the ability to pay the tuition and expenses during my stay because international students are not allowed to work in this country.

Now to offer financial aid to the illegals is complete BS!

My ex-wife is Belgian, and that's exactly what we had to do to put her through college in Colorado. As a legal immigrant married to a US citizen, she was NOT eligible for in-state tuition or financial aid until her permanent residency was approved (which in our case took 4 years).

It's getting harder and harder to immigrate legally, so why are we helping illegals sneak across the border and paying them to go to college? If I tried that in any other country, they'd send me packing. It's going from the land of the free to the land of the free rent

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by jfox

It is not uncommon for border states to have some kind of assistance for foreign students. Most universities and colleges also have the same allowances for international students. Undocumented citizens are not eligible for federal money but they are eligible for state aid. At public Texas universities the state aid awarded is revenue from tuition and fees. Portions are set aside for citizens and non-citizens according to the applicant pool and date of application. Award amounts are often not enough to cover the cost of tuition and fees, so it is hardly a free ride. Undocumented citizens are given a deadline to either follow the steps to become legal citizens or lose their aid.

US parents often think that they are entitled to financial aid and award amounts should cover 100% of students costs. A secondary education is not free. Aid is intended to be a supplement to funds the parent has set aside for the student. From personal experience it is difficult to consel a parent who has a 6 figure salary trying to explain why the student is only eligible for loans and not grant money. Once I mention loans it is about that time the parent tells me they only have so much money to maintain their luxury houses, vehicles and who should pay for their kids education. Ggrrrrrr

Give me a break. No education in this country is free if you work and pay taxes. I will agree, there are some who do not work but they still probably pay some type of property tax; either via a house they own, apartment rental fees, etc., or sales tax on purchases. However, the taxes I have paid over the years to the school systems I have lived in, means there is no free ride if you work. I have no problem with this; I have no problem with it now, even though my kids are all done with their primary education.

I have helped put two kids through universities and working on the last one through MI State U. I am not asking for any handouts from the Government, never have, never will. My kids have no college loans, I have no college loans for putting them through. I have no problems with underprivileged children obtaining grants for college AS LONG AS THEY ARE CHILDREN OF TAXPAYING US CITIZENS.

Key WORDS are "taxpaying," and "US Citizens." Some of the illegals pay taxes, yes, but they are in this country ILLEGALLY, and I fail to understand why it is so hard for people in this country to understand what ILLEGAL means.

Taxpayers of this country should not be responsible for educating illegal or even legal aliens who come to this country to obtain an education, unless they become US citizens and plan on staying here.

Take the money that they are giving to the Illegals and possibly a few underprivileged kids of US Citizens can obtain more grant money for their college. Or, just take that money and reduce tuition overall for everyone. But there is no legal or moral reason for US taxpayers to support non-US citizens in their quest for a college degree. (It sure appears there is a political reason. )

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

It's getting harder and harder to immigrate legally, so why are we helping illegals sneak across the border and paying them to go to college? If I tried that in any other country, they'd send me packing. It's going from the land of the free to the land of the free rent

Try to sneak across the Mexican border, and get caught. You are beaten and sent back, or worse, you are raped, beaten and sent back. In addition, even if you legally move to Mexico and obtain Mexican Citizenship (Why anyone would?), they retain the right to pull your citizenship at any time and deport you back to where you came from prior to moving to Mexico.