just picked this bad boy up yesterday 11/24

[wannabeH3]

http://www.the-m-factor.com/
black 9mm

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

very nice....!!!!!

whats the general price range ?

[wannabeH3]

570 is what i found it for after shopping around a lot. ive seen it as high as 750!!!

[wpage]

20 on the 1st clip nice! + 38 = 58 shots on 3 clips. Thats some fire power...

Guess you wont need a laser scope with all that

[frenzy1]

Great buy bro !!!

[wannabeH3]

thanks guys im gonna try it out on friday i think.. cant wait!

[splne1]

9mm??? get a real gun .45 or .40? The .45 XD's are awesome and they offer them in sub compact models. If you like the springfields you will like the Taurus models. http://www.taurususa.com/products/gu...cfm?series=247

[Easy Ed]

Got a Beretta M9A1 on the 19th and will have the Crimson Trace LG-402M for it by the 5th of Dec.

Yes, I know the 45 is considered to be better than the 9mm but I wanted the M9A1

Oh yeah, Crimson has a free shirt or hat that has "Laser Grips, Helping Bad Guys Make Informed Decisions" on them while they have a Thanksgiving Sale going on.
http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/Tha...9/Default.aspx

[jmsspratlin]

Funny, I nearly bought a Magnum Desert Eagle in Alabama the other day, however being a FL resident they couldn't sell it to me due to being out of state. Was the lowest price for a new one I had found....$1300. very nice. Was at Woods and Water in Tusculoosa, AL if someone is looking for one that lives around there.

[splne1]

Thats the first beretta 9mm I have seen with a tac rail??? Nice. Don't get me wrong 9mm are ok, they just don't offer some stopping power. I have the Taurus pro 24/7 .40 I scaled down from the .45 because my wife couldnt control the .45 to well. Her shots were to spread. Well better get all the firearms before Obama gets his ways!!

[wannabeH3]

I got two glock .45's already. the 9 rounds out my collection

[Easy Ed]

Yup, That is a MIL-SPEC 1913 picatinny rail. There are a couple other minor changes made to the weapon that make it a little different than the 92 FS.

I could have gone with a laser for the rail but the Crimson Trace on the grip just seems a better option for me/us. Maybe a small flash light for dark of night situations. I was looking at replacing the recoil spring and rod with a laser for about the same price as the Crimson but the dealer and I just didn't seem to get "along well", such is life

The firearm is going to be for self defense (will be getting permit to conceal by spring) and my thinking is the weapon is a mid weight one (aluminum frame) and holds 15 plus 1 and a couple taps to the head or chest with Federal Cartridge Hydra-Shok made possible with a laser sighting should take care of any threat, but again that is just my thinking and why I bought it

Still may get Karen a Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact in 9 mm with the Crimson Laser if she doesn't like the M9A1. https://www.shopberetta.com/e2wItemMain.aspx?parentID=IT00005867&parentLink=21 00000084:3100001364:3100001370

Before I forget, did own a Desert Eagle nickle plated 44 mag for many years, it is just not practical for self defense but was fun to shoot.

Still have the pre-ban AR 15 which Karen bought for me when she was stationed at Bragg years ago, we just felt we needed a "small arm" cause of the times we are a living in.

Did look at a Barrett 50 single shot thinking that Obama would ban the sale of them but Karen wanted to know what I was going to be shooting at a mile and a half away, didn't get one, yet

Originally Posted by splne1

Thats the first beretta 9mm I have seen with a tac rail??? Nice. Don't get me wrong 9mm are ok, they just don't offer some stopping power. I have the Taurus pro 24/7 .40 I scaled down from the .45 because my wife couldnt control the .45 to well. Her shots were to spread. Well better get all the firearms before Obama gets his ways!!

[wpage]

Get em now so they are grandfathered.
Semi autos and big bores will be the first to be banned. Its been the State Laws till now. Federal changes may be comming...

[Easy Ed]

Here is one that started back in June. H.R. 6257 (The link would not work)

Maybe this one http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h6257ih.t xt.pdf

Check out the list of weapons they want to ban, it'll never happen

Originally Posted by wpage

Get em now so they are grandfathered.
Semi autos and big bores will be the first to be banned. Its been the State Laws till now. Federal changes may be comming...

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

not a good link or my computer doesn't like it...!!!

[Easy Ed]

Does the PDF one work ? Took me a bit (till 12:49) to find one that would and I edited many times before I got one to work.

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

not a good link or my computer doesn't like it...!!!

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Are they saying that those in

APPENDIX A

are to be banned ?

[Easy Ed]

Those in appendix A will be legal to own, it is the following that could be illegal unless owned prior to the date of the "possible" ban.


The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--`(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);`(iv) Colt AR-15;`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;`(vii) Steyr AUG;`(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and`(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;`(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;`(iii) a bayonet mount;`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and`(v) a grenade launcher;`(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--`(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;`(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;`(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;`(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and`(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and`(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;`(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and`(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'.

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

Are they saying that those in

APPENDIX A

are to be banned ?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

you mean they don't like my Mossberg 500, 18 1/2", pistol grip, 6 shot...?

[Andy C]

Originally Posted by Easy Ed

Those in appendix A will be legal to own, it is the following that could be illegal unless owned prior to the date of the "possible" ban.


The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--`(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);`(iv) Colt AR-15;`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;`(vii) Steyr AUG;`(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and`(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;`(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;`(iii) a bayonet mount;`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and`(v) a grenade launcher;`(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--`(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;`(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;`(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;`(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and`(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and`(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;`(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and`(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'.

That has now become my new shopping list