VETERANS DISARMAMENT ACT TO BAR VETS FROM OWNING GUNS

[Mr_Pat]

VETERANS DISARMAMENT ACT TO BAR VETS FROM OWNING GUNS
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By Larry Pratt
September 22, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

Hundreds of thousands of veterans -- from Vietnam through Operation Iraqi Freedom -- are at risk of being banned from buying firearms if legislation that is pending in Congress gets enacted.

How? The Veterans Disarmament Act -- which has already passed the House -- would place any veteran who has ever been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the federal gun ban list.

This is exactly what President Bill Clinton did over seven years ago when his administration illegitimately added some 83,000 veterans into the National Criminal Information System (NICS system) -- prohibiting them from purchasing firearms, simply because of afflictions like PTSD.

The proposed ban is actually broader. Anyone who is diagnosed as being a tiny danger to himself or others would have his gun rights taken away ... forever. It is section 102(b)(1)(C)(iv) in HR 2640 that provides for dumping raw medical records into the system. Those names -- like the 83,000 records mentioned above -- will then, by law, serve as the basis for gun banning.

No wonder the Military Order of the Purple Heart is opposed to this legislation.

The House bill, HR 2640, is being sponsored by one of the most flaming anti-Second Amendment Representatives in Congress: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). Another liberal anti-gunner, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), is sponsoring the bill in the Senate.

Proponents of the bill say that helpful amendments have been made so that any veteran who gets his name on the NICS list can seek an expungement.

But whenever you talk about expunging names from the Brady NICS system, you?re talking about a procedure that has always been a long shot. Right now, there are NO EXPUNGEMENTS of law-abiding Americans? names that are taking place under federal level. Why? Because the expungement process which already exists has been blocked for over a decade by a "funds cut-off" engineered by another anti-gunner, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY).

So how will this bill make things even worse? Well, two legal terms are radically redefined in the Veterans Disarmament Act to carry out this vicious attack on veterans? gun rights.

One term relates to who is classified a "mental defective." Forty years ago that term meant one was adjudicated "not guilty" in a court of law by reason of insanity. But under the Veterans Disarmament Act, "mental defective" has been stretched to include anyone whom a psychiatrist determines might be a tiny danger to self or others.

The second term is "adjudicate." In the past, one could only lose one's gun rights through an adjudication by a judge, magistrate or court -- meaning conviction after a trial. Adjudication could only occur in a court with all the protections of due process, including the right to face one's accuser. Now, adjudication in HR 2640 would include a finding by "a court, commission, committee or other authorized person" (namely, a psychiatrist).

Forget the fact that people with PTSD have the same violent crime rate as the rest of us. Vietnam vets with PTSD have had careers and obtained permits to carry firearms concealed. It will now be enough for a psychiatric diagnosis (a "determination" in the language of the bill) to get a veteran barred *for life * from owning guns.



Think of what this bill would do to veterans. If a robber grabs your wallet and takes everything in it, but gives you back $5 to take the bus home, would you call that a financial enhancement? If not, then we should not let HR 2640 supporters call the permission to seek an expungement an enhancement, when prior to this bill, veterans could not legitimately be denied their gun rights after being diagnosed with PTSD.

Veterans with PTSD should not be put in a position to seek an expungement. They have not been convicted (after a trial with due process) of doing anything wrong. If a veteran is thought to be a threat to self or others, there should be a real trial, not an opinion (called a diagnosis) by a psychiatrist.



If members of Congress do not hear from soldiers (active duty and retired) in large numbers, along with the rest of the public, the Veterans Disarmament Act -- misleadingly titled by Rep. McCarthy as the NICS Improvement Amendments Act -- will send this message to veterans: "No good deed goes unpunished."

[MarineHawk]

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15...,00.html?wh=wh

[MarineHawk]

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3112

[Mr. I - Man]

Are you kidding! Hell they might want to ban me for the Home depot also you ever see what a motivated Marine can do with a roofing hammer

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by Mr. I - Man

Are you kidding! Hell they might want to ban me for the Home depot also you ever see what a motivated Marine can do with a roofing hammer

It's not real I-Jarhead. A rumor started by a wanna-be competitor of the NRA.

[wpage]

Thats just wrong.
What happened to the 2nd amendment?

[Mr_Pat]

Originally Posted by wpage

Thats just wrong.
What happened to the 2nd amendment?

I would say ask Pres George Bush and the justice department, but you may be labeled "subversive" and be taken away with out trial.... The constitution is just an old historical document that has no reliance in today?s war on terror.

[wpage]

If Brady and Schumer are behind it its going to suck!

[Mr_Pat]

Originally Posted by wpage

If Brady and Schumer are behind it its going to suck!

The House bill, HR 2640, is being sponsored by one of the most flaming anti-Second Amendment Representatives in Congress: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). Another liberal anti-gunner, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT),

That bitch HATES guns and gun ownders

[KenP]

Originally Posted by wpage

What happened to the 2nd amendment?

Liberals.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by wpage

If Brady and Schumer are behind it its going to suck!

If the NRA is backing it (and they are: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3112 ), it's not going to suck. The NRA would never back anything that could have any remote possibility of harming anyone's 2nd Am. rights. Trust me. "Those blocked from buying a gun due to these newly provided and updated records in the NICS are already prohibited under current law from owning firearms. ... This provision addresses concerns about disability decisions by the Veterans Administration concerning our brave men and women in uniform. (In 2000, as a parting shot at our service members, the Clinton Administration forced the names of almost 90,000 veterans and veterans? family members to be added to a 'prohibited' list; H.R. 2640 would help many of these people get their rights restored.)"

[Mr. I - Man]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

It's not real I-Jarhead. A rumor started by a wanna-be competitor of the NRA.

Good, So I don't have to get that Home Depot card now