Big brake upgrade???

[PhillyPhreak]

I'm putting 22's with terra grapplers on my H2 in a week or so. I have heard that a big brake upgrade is needed. Whats available? I had the Stoptechs on my 350z and they were amazing but $8,000 is way to steep! What is on the lower end of the $$$ amount that will work? Are front and rear needed or just front?

[PhillyPhreak]

I'm putting 22's with terra grapplers on my H2 in a week or so. I have heard that a big brake upgrade is needed. Whats available? I had the Stoptechs on my 350z and they were amazing but $8,000 is way to steep! What is on the lower end of the $$$ amount that will work? Are front and rear needed or just front?

[md_sailor]

I've been looking as well, Baer does not have any applications for us but Brembo does. They are not cheap though. I think they are running around 3,200 per set. Thats 3,200 for the front + 3,200 rear.

[maz]

I just ordered 24's with some Hankook ventus RH06 tires. I am going to try the factory brake package before I change out anything as I have been told that if you are just on road driving, the factory should be sufficient.

I will keep you posted in how the results pan out.

[JamesT]

I still have stock on mine and i run 18" wheels, Very heavy. And with Toyo Open Country 38's.

No issues at this point. 1 1/2 years and 38K miles

[HGW]

My shop is close to your location if you want to stop by. I have one of my H2s here with the Brembo Gran Turismos (sp?)-its late. If you want to take it for a ride, the truck will be here a few more weeks before it heads out to a sponsor.

They really do stop the truck WELL. I have 40" tires with 20" wheels and I want to stop all the time every time. The stock brakes just fade and fade at times during heavy use.

I have AP Racing brakes on my other H2. They are cheaper than the Brembo's and are effective also, but do not compare to the Brembo's.

In any event, a big brake upgrade is not always needed. It depends on what you do with your H2.

Let me know what you do with your H2 in a PM if you want and I can tell you what you may or may not need.

A note--your front brakes do most of the work so you can get by with a front brake upgrade only, again depending on the use of your H2, and then just upgrade your rear rotors and pads.

[tower]

For what little it’s worth, everything I have read on the upgrade brakes from various manufacturers has been less than glowing. The consensus seems to be that they may give you a better brake “feel”, but in stopping tests from various speeds, they DO NOT effectively reduce the stopping distance. In winter, I do a lot of downhill driving (returning from the ski slopes every weekend). Admittedly, I use compression braking reasonably well and run stock tires, but the grade is steep enough to have warped rotors on other vehicles. I have never experienced brake fade in the H2.

(In case anyone doesn’t know, compression braking is a fancy term for coasting downhill in a lower gear so that the engine provides some slowing by forcing the pistons to compress the fuel/air mixture in the cylinder.)

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhillyPhreak:
I'm putting 22's with terra grapplers on my H2 in a week or so. I have heard that a big brake upgrade is needed. Whats available? I had the Stoptechs on my 350z and they were amazing but $8,000 is way to steep! What is on the lower end of the $$$ amount that will work? Are front and rear needed or just front? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you provide us a picture of your rig?

[HGW]

I work with Brembo techs and the misconception about big brakes is that they reduce stopping distances. Brembo does not even design their brakes to reduce stopping distances--they design them to disipate heat that prevents brake fade.

The larger the load--weight of vehicle, larger tires and wheels, etc., the more the heat generated and the more the stock brakes will fade.

I am not saying people should upgrade brakes just "because" but should upgrade if they work their vehicles hard and have reason to do so.

Race vehicles and rice rocket types who work their vehicles hard, need big brakes---H2's do not usually get used in a way to warrant big brakes. If I had big wheels and lived in a hilly or moutainous area, I would strongly conside them. Also, if I run at 90 Plus MPH on the highway and do a lot of stopping and braking, the same would apply.

[PhillyPhreak]

HGW....I work in Princeton so I will stop buy your shop in the near future. I drive 100 miles a day mostly stop and go up route one. I could see myself going through factory brakes quick with a set of 22's.

[HGW]

Yes you will.

I look forward to meeting with you.

[ARH1956]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummersGoneWild:
I work with Brembo techs and the misconception about big brakes is that they reduce stopping distances. Brembo does not even design their brakes to reduce stopping distances--they design them to disipate heat that prevents brake fade.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>While your statement is true, Brembo's superior design will result in reduced stopping distances in 95% of their applications.

[tower]

I guess that's totally irrelavent, since the H2 is in the other 5%.

[HGW]

Yes, it is in the other 5%

[Fastest H-Town Realtor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARH1956:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummersGoneWild:
I work with Brembo techs and the misconception about big brakes is that they reduce stopping distances. Brembo does not even design their brakes to reduce stopping distances--they design them to disipate heat that prevents brake fade.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>While your statement is true, Brembo's superior design will result in reduced stopping distances in 95% of their applications. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How? If the threshold of breaking (lockup)can be reached with stock brakes, how can bigger brakes shorten the stopping distance? The only way to shorten stopping distance is to either add contact patch, or remove weight.

[tower]