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09-25-2003, 12:46 AM
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I just thought it might spawn some other ideas
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I just thought it might spawn some other ideas
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09-25-2003, 12:48 AM
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09-25-2003, 01:21 AM
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Rogue
Is that bracket strong enough to hold a 9000# pull? 
Does warn O.K. rope with that winch? Last I heard they didn't speck those for rope due to possable heat issues
It is cool that you can open the hood with the winch installed  . What were they thinking |
09-25-2003, 02:48 AM
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God Damn it, why do I find this **** AFTER I spend the money. I keep looking at mine thinking it's going to get smashed at some point on the trail due to the decreased approach. Of course the question is can it handle the load?
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09-25-2003, 03:20 AM
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Cool! Where'd you get it? Does it rate 9000lbs minimum? How does it fold down? And most importantly, WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR GRILL DONE? Ooops, sorry. What kind of paint/coating is on the grill? very cool. Just what I need.
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09-25-2003, 10:18 AM
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The rope is a product called technora, low weight and almost no stretch. Tensile strength 18,000lbs it has a heat resistance of 400f. I believe Warn is testing this product for use. I had to buy a 600' roll and have 350'feet left. I can splice a hook and ship if interested. The bracket is rated at 10,000lbs in any position and in tests show no deflection in any position up to 30,000lbs.
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09-25-2003, 12:35 PM
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More Info please! I have been wanting to install a winch. I don't want to give up the approach angle.
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09-25-2003, 06:07 PM
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the heat issue with "rope" and winches is when you use the winch as a brake to lower a vehicle down something. the internal brake heats up and some "rope" cables have been damaged due to it. Warn does not recommend "rope" for my 15k winch, yet, as long as you know what to avoid, no problem.
looks like a very cool mount. does it somehow attach to your frame??
9k winch for a Hummer seems low; especially a Warn as the stall rate is lower than 9k. if you load it up and are stuck on a hill in mud even a double pull might not get you out. always read a general rule of thumb was 1.5 times your loaded vehicle vehicle.
still, if it fits what you're doing, its a nice design. don't forget to get the Warn winch accessory kit with the tree strap, etc. in it if you haven't already. there's also a good video on Bill Burke's 4wd America site called Unstuck!
"Bill Burke demonstrates three major recovery forms (winch, Hi-Lift Jack, and recovery straps) in detail using diverse stuck situations on actual Colorado trails with spectacular mountain scenery as a backdrop. Safety is stressed throughout. This tape is a must for every person who travels where a stuck situation is possible."
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09-25-2003, 07:00 PM
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Rogue,
Who is this manufactured by? A "test" showing no deflection in any position up to 30,000 lbs, that doesnt sound right. That looks like the stock Warn cradle but the verticle piece going from the reciever to the cradle looks to be 7/16 to 1/2 inch thick(max) and less than 3" wide
Im not trying to be a jerk but I can't believe that.
Are you sure your not the one making these and trying to sell them?
I would love to see some tech. data on these because I don't see how that mount could be that strong.(Im so close to calling Bull Crap)
BTW Nice jeep in the background(driveway). Done any mods on that?? Dont tell me you own a Jeep and a Hummer. That I CAN'T believe |
09-25-2003, 10:16 PM
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I made the bracket to solve a personal need on my personal vehicle. I saw the approach angle problem as soon as I installed the Warn multi-mount system. I cut the receiver tube from the Warn mount and custom fit it to an adjustable hitch system. The hitch system is factory rated to 10,000lbs and a call to their tech support during my design research revealed that they have unofficially tested these hitches to 30,000lbs without deflection. (his words not mine.) I do not manufacture this mount, but it looks like maybe I should. The mount is adjustable 8" up and down. The full up position would generate a lot of rotational stress on the hummer receiver mount that it probably wasn't designed for. If I need more than a moderate pull to get unstuck I will lower it to the latteral position. Yes that is my Jeep in the driveway.
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09-25-2003, 10:48 PM
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Good job! I Didn't even think about lowering it into the "straight out position" for a straight pull.
I love to play at fabracation myself, when I got my "multi mount" cradle I put some gussetts on the side and ran a few passes over the factory welds.
I am still concerned how it will perform in a side pull situation. I applaud your creativity and good luck with your mount. I have access to a very accurate load cell if you ever want to test it |
10-20-2003, 11:38 PM
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Sorry to poo-poo on this winch mount, but I didn't think it was built correctly so I asked some engineer friends to look at it. Here's what they said:
"Patton and I just had a howl over the Rogue bracketry. We were
surprised the thing held the hook up. The compounding leverage factor on
the arm comming from the receiver would bend with a 3000 # winch even if he
used 3/4 inch bar stock, not to mention the inside knee stresses on the best
of welds. I hope his liability insurance is huge! The sad part is there
were respondees that thought it had some merit. This proves you can sell
**** in a bag to the right person."
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10-21-2003, 01:09 AM
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What is a load cell? What type of company would have one of these? I am in Minnesota so Cali is a little too far to go to use the load cell you know about.
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10-21-2003, 01:50 AM
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Crap.. pure.. Crap..
I wouldn't let you use that winch mount with in 100yards of me or my family. Please, for your sake do not ever use that mount and stick with Warns orginal mounting system. The life you save could be yours.
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10-21-2003, 02:48 AM
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I can just see that thing snap the first time he is stuck. looks very dangerous to everybody nearby. If you are really worried about approach angle, you can always take the winch off and put it inside the truck. Or, if departure angle isn't as critical, you could put it on the rear.
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10-21-2003, 02:53 AM
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****! I feel like a horses ass. I actually drooled at the ideal of buying one!
"Well just put that **** in the bag! SOLD!" 
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