JK vs H3

[Dennis Lorenz]

I am looking at the new Jeep Wrangler JK and am leaning toward it from what I have read on it. It seems much more capable than the H3 in stock form. I really like it because it is a solid axle. I am not much on the IFS. Has anyone had any issues with their H3 IFS? Why should I choose an H3 over the JK. By the way I would wait for the Rubicon edition.

[bjc]

If you're a solid front axle man, there's really no debate. Although I think plently of people here would take issue with the idea that the H3 is "less capable".

[usetosellhummer]

H3 is the most for the money! Jeep still rides hard and does not have the nice interior. You do the pepsi challege bro and tell us what you think.

[dеiтайожни]

Why should I choose an H3 over the JK.

You must have us confused with Hummer salesmen. :confused: Get the Jeep, I think it will fit your alternative lifestyle better. :giggling:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

YES
you must get the jeeeeep!

and leave the H-3 for the more

DESCRIMINATING PERSON
:iagree: :beerchug: :jump: :excited: :dancingbanana: :giggling: :)

TYD

[usetosellhummer]

oh sorry I was on the air. yea get the heep it will work out for you better:shhh:

[PARAGON]

H3 is the most for the money! Jeep still rides hard and does not have the nice interior. You do the pepsi challege bro and tell us what you think.Have you ridden in the new JK?

Man, I don't know. For a solid axle front end it rides pretty damn good. The new Wrangler is leaps and bounds ahead of the TJ. I can see where some people will have hard time deciding.

A lot of loyal Jeepers hate the new JKs because they think they are too much like H3s. But you can take the top off so it's going to appeal to a lot of people who would want a true 4 door convertible that's affordable (unlike the open top H1)

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Have you ridden in the new JK?

Man, I don't know. For a solid axle front end it rides pretty damn good. The new Wrangler is leaps and bounds ahead of the TJ. I can see where some people will have hard time deciding.

A lot of loyal Jeepers hate the new JKs because they think they are too much like H3s. But you can take the top off so it's going to appeal to a lot of people who would want a true 4 door convertible that's affordable (unlike the open top H1)

YES!!!

but the jeep

[usetosellhummer]

naw I am a Hummer owner and took a blood oath back during my sales days (hazing I can't discuss) but I am sure the jeep has caught up nicely.

[usetosellhummer]

Or maybe I am starting to belive my own sheet?

[Wisha Haddan H3]

You came to a hummer forum to see if you should get a Jeep :confused:

Here are some differences I see between the 2007 JK vs the 2007 H3. I own an H3 but haven't driven a JK, so this is all from the specs. I didn't list the things they have in common and probably missed some.

Off road

JK Ultd Rubicon ... solid front axle, electronic sway bar disconnect, locking front diff, longer wheelbase (may help climbing), more ground clearance, better approach & departure angles, removable doors, removable top

H3 Adventure ... bigger stock tires, better breakover angle, smaller turn diameter, wider track, more low end torque

On road

JK ... lighter weight, longer wheelbase (high speed stability?)

H3 ... IFS, more HP throughout RPM range, more low-end torque, (slightly) more high end torque, low road noise, longer range (same mpg, bigger gas tank)

Utility

JK ... more interior volume (partly impeded by roll cage)

H3 ... more payload, more towing capacity

Luxury

JK ... (don't know)

H3 ... power sunroof, many interior choices - including leather, monsoon sound system, lots of chrome options

Safety

JK ... roll cage

H3 ... rear side curtain airbags

[BlueTJCO]

shioooooot, my TJ will walk the H3, the JK will really walk it...:fdance:

[Hummer3]

Where do we find these idiots?:twak:

Let's move on to H3 business.

[Cal]

It seems like your mind is made up. Go buy the jeep, im sure you'll like it!

[BlueTJCO]

It seems like your mind is made up. Go buy the jeep, im sure you'll like it!


:lame:
Why are you bunch of "sally's" so fuking butt hurt over someone asking this question? He wasn't talking down on the H3.......just asking a simple question.........

[dеiтайожни]

Perhaps because he is a troll and has already expressed his hatred of the H3? Why some people are taking this thread serious is beyond me.

[BlueTJCO]

Perhaps because he is a troll and has already expressed his hatred of the H3? Why some people are taking this thread serious is beyond me.

I was taking it serious because I was interested in what people had to say, and thought it was a legit question....

WISSHA HADDA H3 is the ONLY person other then PARAGON to give any informative information........most the rest of you whinned like little bitches...:violin:

[dеiтайожни]

I was taking it serious because I was interested in what people had to say, and thought it was a legit question....

Well you thought wrong, error on your part.

[BlueTJCO]

Well you thought wrong, error on your part.

:fdance: :grouphug:

[Lex_Ordo]

Jeep questions on a Hummer forum? Why? Seems a little jaded.
My own .02 points to Hummer H3.

Why?
Because I have one, of course. :OWNED:

If I wanted a Jeep, I would have bought one, and probably, would have joined a Jeep forum. Or not, maybe I'd join a Saab forum, and ask questions about Opel.:giggling:

[BlueTJCO]

Jeep questions on a Hummer forum? Why? Seems a little jaded.
My own .02 points to Hummer H3.

Why?
Because I have one, of course. :OWNED:

If I wanted a Jeep, I would have bought one, and probably, would have joined a Jeep forum. Or not, maybe I'd join a Saab forum, and ask questions about Opel.:giggling:

Lex........STFU.........I'll join whatever forum I want that has to do with the hobby I am interested in. Why? you ask? Because I've met tons of people from this board that dont have a big rubber stick up their ass and love to get and and wheel, not bitch about Jeep vs. Hummer.....

Sooooooooo, :fdance:

[Lex_Ordo]

I've met tons of people from this board that dont have a big rubber stick up their ass and love to get and and wheel, not bitch about Jeep vs. Hummer.....

Sooooooooo, :fdance:

I'm sorry, but I don't know what this means?:confused:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Dennis might be a troll, but you can't argue with pics, specs and facts. The stock JK and H3 are both awesome offroad, with different strengths and weaknesses.

When I was comparing midsize 4 door SUVs, the JK wasn't around to test drive next to the others, but I read everything available - specs, reviews, previews, speculation, commentaries and forums to decide if it was worth waiting for. I sifted through tons of hype and marketing on all the brands to find real specs and factual info.

Ultimately I realized that the H3 was badass enough to do everything I want to do offroad (Moab, Rubicon, etc) ... and do it with more style, comfort and utility than any other midsize SUV. And it has the same fuel economy and the same price range as the others (with similar equipment).

Sure it could be improved, but my H3 works for me :cool:

[G-Hummer]

yo mooncrickey

you seem like the one whining and crying to me

waa, waaa

:giggling:

you may want to consider a Jeep forum -

[H3PAC]

Please attenuate your potty-mouth. Thanks

(Attenuate: To weaken, dilute, thin, reduce, weaken, diminish; Or, if you prefer, to close one's pie hole)

:shhh:

[darebren]

cool, i'm not the last one to dare suggest something negative about the hummer brand.. i too just saw the spped test drive of the wrangler unlimited, and it does look like a fun vehicle, the lift kits are very affordable, and you could stick 40"s under it, and walk all over where any H3 could go offroad. the draw backs to me about the jeep, is it's just plain for teenagers... any no working stiff wants to be the envy of all the 17 year old boys in his neighborhood.. the H3 looks way cooler, and is a little more mature of a ride in my opinion... i'm just trying to sell my FX35 so i can get into a '07 H3..and then go crazy with aftermarket stuff... i'm pretty impulsive so i will probably buy the H3 before i sell my FX.

[f5fstop]

I'm a GM employee, so if I say purchase the Hummer it might just sound a bit prejudiced. However, my neighbor works for Chrysler; Jeep engineering to be specific, and he brought one of those 4-doors home a few months ago, and I liked it.
Personally, I have always like the looks of the Wrangler, but I also like the looks of all the Hummers from the 1, 2 and 3 (can I say the 4 too?).
Even though I'm a GM employee, I have had many Wranglers and the one thing I miss most about the Wrangler is the removable top (that could be solved for this GM employee in the future:shhh: ).
I do not like Wrangler interiors, they look cheaper than any other vehicle out there (well, maybe not the FJ), but I lived with my Wrangler interiors for quite a few years and if I was not a GM employee I could live with one again.
As for the ride, in this area of MI, where roads are similar to those found in an active war zone, the Wrangler rode a lot rougher than my H3. Off-road, both stock, I would say they are pretty damn close, but let's face it, the Wrangler is a lot less expensive to mod.
Comparing prices, I would say the Rubicon 4-door is pretty impressive, but I sure do love my Hummer, and the Hummer's interior is a thousand times better than the Jeep. The Jeep seats to my arse are terrible, and always have been, and they don't seem to have improved their butt feel.
Last year, to Utah and back almost destroyed my buns. This year in the H3, my buns felt great after the trip.
I also prefer the way the H3 feels on the highway and when off-roading. I like the full-time 4x4 system better than the part time system and I do believe in the ABS and stabilitrack. In other words, I do feel safer in the H3.
Security in the H3 is better, since security with a cloth top is non-existent. My Wranglers had Tuffy Consoles and rear storage boxes for securing items such as camera equipment, etc.
If I were not a GM employee, it would be a rough choice to make.
One thing that has me pi**ed off and is pi**sing off many other Jeep people is that fact you can get a TWO WHEEL DRIVE WRANGLER. WTF is this, if Hummer ever decided to make a two wheel drive vehicle, I would go purchase one of those fugly looking FJs and drive it into the GM tech center and park it right in front of the Vehicle Engineering Center.
Sam, my neighbor never told me about this two wheel drive BS; just found out the other day. Wait till I see him....:rant:

(Let me also mention that Sam, my neighbor from Jeep, likes the H3 and wishes Jeep would start using some upgraded interiors. He is impressed with the H3, and has mentioned that if he was not a Jeep employee, he would seriously consider the H3.)

[H3HUMMER]

When you buy that Jeep do not ask a Hummer to pull you out.


:jump:

[KenP]

I went to Hall Hummer and swiped one of their salesmen and took him to Hall Jeep to sneak a peak at the JK.

I like the exterior and the capabilities and with a small, inexpensive lift and 35's or 37's it will be a true monster on the trail. No question about it and it can't be denied.

But good gawd, the interior is a POS.

As soon as they get a Rubi in I'm going to test drive one and see how it rides. Not sure about those seats.

Lastly, the Rubi has a great price point. See this post:
http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=308779&postcount=74

H3, is more comfortable all around, that's for sure, and very capable in it's own right. Many of you have proved that.

I can see where people are going to have a tough time deciding.

[timgco]

When you buy that Jeep do not ask a Hummer to pull you out.


:jump:

That is just a jacka$$ thing to say!

Wouldn't you want to take pics of that?:OWNED:

Anyhow, i too like the looks of the exterior and after seeing one lifted, I think it looks bada$$. Time will tell wich vehicle will be more reliable, but off road, i think they will be very comparable stock.

[darebren]

the Jeep guys are already all over the idea... although with a little twist

[KenP]

the Jeep guys are already all over the idea... although with a little twistThat Jeep was chopped in that pic.

[HummerNewbie]

Too bad that looks like a very poor photoshop job :fdance:

[H3.007]

Where's the question between the two considering Wanna's thread.... sheesh.

If you want a shoebox with wheels - go for the JK.

[darebren]

That Jeep was chopped in that pic.

of course, it's just a joke.. and anyone who wants a decent comfortable interior, and way better than average off road ability, will go with the H3. the best off road ability in the Jk comes with cheap seats and more rattles and wind noise than you can shake a stick at...

i think these threads are funny.. hope no one is taking it seriously.. jeesh

[HummerNewbie]

of course, it's just a joke.. and anyone who wants a decent comfortable interior, and way better than average off road ability, will go with the H3. the best off road ability in the Jk comes with cheap seats and more rattles and wind noise than you can shake a stick at...

i think these threads are funny.. hope no one is taking it seriously.. jeesh

You definitely hit the nail on the head about the interior part but not necessarily on the best off road ability part. Sure you can go out and mod a JK cheaper but aren't we talking stock versus stock straight out of the box. If you want a highly modified trail rig then an older Jeep would be the way to go but from my understanding that is not what we are talking about here.

BTW, I for one do not take this too seriously so GFY ;)

[darebren]

i wonder how nice the new LR@ from landrover will be? looks like the range rover body style, and they always have great interiors.. but are pricey, and very costly to modify,not alot of aftermarket support either..

p.s., i'm married, so i always have to F my self.. it's the only way after 13 years..!

[BlueTJCO]

Please attenuate your potty-mouth. Thanks

(Attenuate: To weaken, dilute, thin, reduce, weaken, diminish; Or, if you prefer, to close one's pie hole)

:shhh:

H2PAC, ATTENUATE THIS::fdance: ........

[BlueTJCO]

You definitely hit the nail on the head about the interior part but not necessarily on the best off road ability part. Sure you can go out and mod a JK cheaper but aren't we talking stock versus stock straight out of the box. If you want a highly modified trail rig then an older Jeep would be the way to go but from my understanding that is not what we are talking about here.

BTW, I for one do not take this too seriously so GFY ;)




An OLDER MODIFIED JEEP:twak: WILL NOT KEEP UP WITH AN UPDATED TJ and will NOT be as capable as a JK............The TJ is leaps and bounds ahead of the CJ or YJ or any of the older style, leaf sprung jeeps:rolleyes:

Now that is modifed or stock........

[BlueTJCO]

yo mooncrickey

you seem like the one whining and crying to me

waa, waaa

:giggling:

you may want to consider a Jeep forum -

Who are you:fdance:

[BlueTJCO]

Jeep Wranglers interior was never meant to be flashy or upscale. It is meant to be very user friendl and simple. Hell, Chevy1500 pickups have a better interior but I'm not going to buy a 4 door jeep to impress my clients here at work with, and that seems to be where I and others dont see eye to eye. I would buy it for the trail aspect, and from my experience with other H3's on the trail, slim little $150.00 budget boost and tires, the JK will be walking circles around the H3.......

Now, Angie and I went and looked at H3's about a month ago here in Castle Rock to see if they had any incentives or if we could get a good deal.............She LOVES and LOVED the H3 but we couldnt really get them to work with us much.......

I agree that your interior is superior.......But not to start much more:D , but afterwards we went and looked at the Brand New Cherokee's......

SHE IS NOT A JEEP PERSON, and she thought the interior was much more refined and "nicer" then the H3.........sooooooooo, maybe, just maybe jeep knows what they are doing.......because I myself, like the utilitarian style of the Wrangler INterior......its not so ****ing cute!

I would buy the jeep for these simple facts:

The Sway-Bar disconnect from inside (This is awesome)

Ease and affordibility in lifting and modifying

Heavy duty Hybrid 44 axles

Lockers front and rear

4:1 Ratio

Great Transfer Case

Removable Top

Doors COME OFF

Front window FOLDS DOWN

Fenders ARE REMOVABLE FOR THE TRAIL

Underneath STOCK SKIDS ARE NICE

DIESEL MODEL WILL BE HERE IN 08.......!!!!!!!!!!!









.......................

[BlueTJCO]

i wonder how nice the new LR@ from landrover will be? looks like the range rover body style, and they always have great interiors.. but are pricey, and very costly to modify,not alot of aftermarket support either..

p.s., i'm married, so i always have to F my self.. it's the only way after 13 years..!

I have never been on a trail to date and seen a Land Rover struggle. They seem to do well out here........Thers is Plenty of aftermarket support, it's just damn expensive!

[H3HUMMER]

That is just a jacka$$ thing to say!

Wouldn't you want to take pics of that?:OWNED:

Anyhow, i too like the looks of the exterior and after seeing one lifted, I think it looks bada$$. Time will tell wich vehicle will be more reliable, but off road, i think they will be very comparable stock.


Here is your jeep.
:jump:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7327458493841477856


nice fake one in that pic you posted

[Lex_Ordo]

Wow! That just does one thing...

Suck! I feel bad for the owner. That will cost a few dollars to repair.

[Nextlife]

Well, I've owned and built 3 different TJ's (one Rubicon 2 door) before I bought an H3 adv/lux. The H3 is a nicer rig no doubt. It doesn't rattle, the interior is way beyond what a wrangler offers. I've been following the JK though.

Trail rides aside, If rockcrawling ( a fast growing sport) is your thing, you'd best go the JK. The JK (rubi ed.) was flattly designed for this in mind. The jeep engineers listened to the jeep owner's thoughts on how to make the TJ better and they really did a great job on the JK. You'll never see an H3 make it through the Hammer's in JV. You'll see tons of JKs there in no time flat. With a simple swap of coils (4 lift) and shocks basically on the JK you can stuff in 37" tires! Jeeps are easier to re-gear (and find gears) for those tires too! There's other things, nothing really hangs below the frame rails now on JKs, the gas tank has been relocated, frame is even stronger now. Longer control arms will help it climb and articulate much better than the TJ did. Front locker too.

However, if you go JK, you'll never get the same ride of an IFS front rig, and you'll never see a wrangler with leather from the factory! :D The H3 is a very capable 4x4, but just isn't designed with rockcrawling (Hammer's style) in mind, even with a lift. Its wider, longer and the front diff (lacking a locker too) just isn't strong enough in my opinion for that kind of abuse. I can't imagine lifting a H3 onto 37" tires, and trying to do heavy rockcrawling, that front diff will pop fairly easy, and easier if you regear (pinion will get weak with a regear due to size). Throw in a front locker and those 37" tires, i'd bet it busts on the first foot tall rock you try to climb. It wasn't designed for that. They may solve this with the H3 alpha from what others are saying though.

I'll never part with my H3 (except for an alpha!). Its just too nice of a ride, no rattles, nice interior and still plenty capable to get me through nasty snowy/icy roads. It beats the crap out of any landrover, yota, BMW, Porche, lexus, Merc, and even jeep grand! But in the very serious rockcrawling world, you can't beat a Wrangler, you just don't get some of the creature features like leather and the buff hummer look. I also can't stand the new fenders on the JK. Lost on the retro look I guess.

[PARAGON]

Here ya go, for those that seem somewhat confused on the specs of the 2.

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/jeep/wrangler/100782109/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=FdBMQ1NQBvX4Q6J3F47pC p0VFWbFJlJRXPZhC3ZxLGZC7QtvWy6f!1259065661?basesty leid=100782109&styleid=100761083&styleid=100688147&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=specs

[BlueTJCO]

Well, I've owned and built 3 different TJ's (one Rubicon 2 door) before I bought an H3 adv/lux. The H3 is a nicer rig no doubt. It doesn't rattle, the interior is way beyond what a wrangler offers. I've been following the JK though.

Trail rides aside, If rockcrawling ( a fast growing sport) is your thing, you'd best go the JK. The JK (rubi ed.) was flattly designed for this in mind. The jeep engineers listened to the jeep owner's thoughts on how to make the TJ better and they really did a great job on the JK. You'll never see an H3 make it through the Hammer's in JV. You'll see tons of JKs there in no time flat. With a simple swap of coils (4 lift) and shocks basically on the JK you can stuff in 37" tires! Jeeps are easier to re-gear (and find gears) for those tires too! There's other things, nothing really hangs below the frame rails now on JKs, the gas tank has been relocated, frame is even stronger now. Longer control arms will help it climb and articulate much better than the TJ did. Front locker too.

However, if you go JK, you'll never get the same ride of an IFS front rig, and you'll never see a wrangler with leather from the factory! :D The H3 is a very capable 4x4, but just isn't designed with rockcrawling (Hammer's style) in mind, even with a lift. Its wider, longer and the front diff (lacking a locker too) just isn't strong enough in my opinion for that kind of abuse. I can't imagine lifting a H3 onto 37" tires, and trying to do heavy rockcrawling, that front diff will pop fairly easy, and easier if you regear (pinion will get weak with a regear due to size). Throw in a front locker and those 37" tires, i'd bet it busts on the first foot tall rock you try to climb. It wasn't designed for that. They may solve this with the H3 alpha from what others are saying though.

I'll never part with my H3 (except for an alpha!). Its just too nice of a ride, no rattles, nice interior and still plenty capable to get me through nasty snowy/icy roads. It beats the crap out of any landrover, yota, BMW, Porche, lexus, Merc, and even jeep grand! But in the very serious rockcrawling world, you can't beat a Wrangler, you just don't get some of the creature features like leather and the buff hummer look. I also can't stand the new fenders on the JK. Lost on the retro look I guess.


dammmmmnnnnn, I like you....Thanks for the reading:beerchug:

[The Green Lantern]

I am looking at the new Jeep Wrangler JK and am leaning toward it from what I have read on it. It seems much more capable than the H3 in stock form. I really like it because it is a solid axle. I am not much on the IFS. Has anyone had any issues with their H3 IFS? Why should I choose an H3 over the JK. By the way I would wait for the Rubicon edition.


Nice avatar!:excited:

[NEOCON1]

I am looking at the new Jeep Wrangler JK and am leaning toward it from what I have read on it. It seems much more capable than the H3 in stock form. I really like it because it is a solid axle. I am not much on the IFS. Has anyone had any issues with their H3 IFS? Why should I choose an H3 over the JK. By the way I would wait for the Rubicon edition.


if you wanna go old school military style get the heep , if you want new-guard style get the HUMMER :beerchug:

[timgco]

Moon, are you certain the door do come off on the 4 door like the TJ did?

[G-Hummer]

Who are you:fdance:

Well I have been trying to avoid the subject for many years but now I have to come clean right here on this Hummer Forum...I'm your Daddy

:OWNED:

[BlueHUMMERH2]

dammmmmnnnnn, I like you....Thanks for the reading:beerchug:

Aww, I think he's in love! :clapping:

Anyway, any moron who picks the a Jeep over the H3... :twak: If you want a rock crawler, save yourself some money, and go buy an old or already mod'd Jeep. There are PLENTY to go around... :D

And there is NO way the Grand Cherokee has a better interior than the H3. The rear seat is a great example. It's like a park bench. And forget about putting anything in there, the roof is too slanted.

But this is off topic. Back on topic, I believe I need to go drive a new Wrangler to see what it's really like. My prediction is it will ride like crap, and no matter how good it is on the trail, it's on-road performance will make it extremely unfriendly. A Hummer is designed to mix the best of both worlds, and that's the way I like it. It's a more awesome trail rig in that respect because it is the all-in-one. Sure, you compromise somewhere, but you come out with a great all around package. You can get there comfortably, go just about anywhere with comfy leather seats, a great sound system, lots of room for junk, and then point home and have a very composed, easy to drive vehicle on the highway. No loud noise, bouncy suspension, etc.

And no one will follow you expecting you're the MC some gay pride parade!:jump:

[The Green Lantern]

I would like to have them both........someday! :jump:

[f5fstop]

Has anyone posted the same question on the Jeep Forum. If so, how long has the thread lasted? If it lasted more than a day, how many intelligent replies were added versus how many obscene comments by Jeep owners on that Forum?:jump:

[KenP]

Has anyone posted the same question on the Jeep Forum. If so, how long has the thread lasted? If it lasted more than a day, how many intelligent replies were added versus how many obscene comments by Jeep owners on that Forum?:jump:There was one. I saw it for a total of 38 seconds and it was deleted. The author was also banned.:giggling:

[The Green Lantern]

There was one. I saw it for a total of 38 seconds and it was deleted. The author was also banned.:giggling:


:giggling:

[BlueTJCO]

Aww, I think he's in love! :clapping:

Anyway, any moron who picks the a Jeep over the H3... :twak: If you want a rock crawler, save yourself some money, and go buy an old or already mod'd Jeep. There are PLENTY to go around... :D

And there is NO way the Grand Cherokee has a better interior than the H3. The rear seat is a great example. It's like a park bench. And forget about putting anything in there, the roof is too slanted.




Hey dicwad, I said "she" liked the interior better.........:fdance:

[BlueTJCO]

Moon, are you certain the door do come off on the 4 door like the TJ did?

Yes, they come off the front and the rear actually:beerchug:

[PARAGON]

Aww, I think he's in love! :clapping:

Anyway, any moron who picks the a Jeep over the H3... :twak: If you want a rock crawler, save yourself some money, and go buy an old or already mod'd Jeep. There are PLENTY to go around... :D

And there is NO way the Grand Cherokee has a better interior than the H3. The rear seat is a great example. It's like a park bench. And forget about putting anything in there, the roof is too slanted.

But this is off topic. Back on topic, I believe I need to go drive a new Wrangler to see what it's really like. My prediction is it will ride like crap, and no matter how good it is on the trail, it's on-road performance will make it extremely unfriendly. A Hummer is designed to mix the best of both worlds, and that's the way I like it. It's a more awesome trail rig in that respect because it is the all-in-one. Sure, you compromise somewhere, but you come out with a great all around package. You can get there comfortably, go just about anywhere with comfy leather seats, a great sound system, lots of room for junk, and then point home and have a very composed, easy to drive vehicle on the highway. No loud noise, bouncy suspension, etc.

And no one will follow you expecting you're the MC some gay pride parade!:jump:Too bad you're stupid and your prediction will be wrong.

The JK rides just as good as or better than the H3.

Too bad so many speak from their ass and not from experience.

[PARAGON]

Moon, are you certain the door do come off on the 4 door like the TJ did?Very certain they come of. And come off very easily.

There's even a little access panel to unplug the wiring harness so that when the doors are off you don't see anything exposed.

Now, the question is. Who is going to be the first person to come up with something to "plug" into the window wiring harness to work something while the doors are off.;)

[Dennis Lorenz]

Thanks to those that posted useful information. I am sorry that some of you saw this as a worthless question. If you are interested in a certain vehicle why would you not go to a forum to get opinions on it from people that actually own it. I feel sorry to those that felt threatened by my asking an opinion.....

[KenP]

Now, the question is. Who is going to be the first person to come up with something to "plug" into the window wiring harness to work something while the doors are off.;)Heehee...

[KenP]

Thanks to those that posted useful information. I am sorry that some of you saw this as a worthless question. If you are interested in a certain vehicle why would you not go to a forum to get opinions on it from people that actually own it. I feel sorry to those that felt threatened by my asking an opinion.....Not threatened at all. It was a good question and sparked some spirited debate.:beerchug:

[Desert Dan]

They are 2 different vehicles.

If I could have both I would love to have a 4-door JK Rubicon and my H3.

I am sure with the front locker, live axle and sway dissconnect the JK would do better in extreame articulation situations. The 4-dr JK wheel base is 116" ( i think) which is pretty long but should be better on the hwy. The JK with a plastic hard top will be noisyer on the hwy for sure (Man I'm getting old) The Jeep is still a Jeep.

I just got back from a 5-day camping trip in the Nevada desert and mountains and am very glad I was in the H3. Great off road and Great mileage and cruising speed even when fully loaded.

[Nefarious]

This is a great thread. I'm actually in the same boat trying to make some decisions between a 4 door JK, H3, or a ummm GTO.

I used to have a 00 WJ limited V8 4x4 and loved the thing. The interior was nice and it had all the bells and whistles. My wife ended up driving it as her daily driver until 04 when gas prices jumped way up. It then found a new home.

Jump forward 2 years and I'm driving a 01 chevy s-10 xtreme as my daily driver. I miss having the SUV and I have adjusted and accepted the gas prices now. I also miss being able to go offroad in an instant or even tow something like a small trailer. This has me looking at the H3 and JK.

Now the GTO is just a fun car with a very nice interior. My wife and I test drove one 3 weeks ago and it was a blast with that 6.0L V8. I wouldn't get the space, towing capability, safe feeling of sitting up high, or being able to go off-road, but I'd have a smile on my face everytime I lay into the gas.

Decisions, decisions.... I'm still a bit off on making a firm decision. I need tax season to come and go first.

[PARAGON]

They are 2 different vehicles.

If I could have both I would love to have a 4-door JK Rubicon and my H3.

I am sure with the front locker, live axle and sway dissconnect the JK would do better in extreame articulation situations.

actually, I think it will do better in all off-road situations.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

actually, I think it will do better in all off-road situations.
The JK Ultd Rubicon is going to be awesome offroad. Completely stock, it has so many features the H3 lacks and many of its specs are better than the H3. But even the factory Rubicon has smaller tires, smaller breakover angle (5* less), wider turning circle than the H3 (by 4 ft) and less low-end torque. Won't matter 9 times out of 10, but there's always that 1 out 10 ...

Personally, I want both in my garage :D

[NEOCON1]

actually, I think it will do better in all off-road situations.


it will be sweet :)

maybe find a wrecked one and get the parts for a sfa H3 , solid front axle and both lockers all the running gear , if i could just get a diesel ;) i would build my own sfa alpha :p

[PARAGON]

it will be sweet :)

maybe find a wrecked one and get the parts for a sfa H3 , solid front axle and both lockers all the running gear , if i could just get a diesel ;) i would build my own sfa alpha :pYou might have to. I'm beginning to wonder if GM ever will.

It doesn't have to be SFA, it would be ideal, but there are ways to make an IFS that is stronger and that will handle a front locker. It's just economics.

Look at Jeep's ultimate concept vehicle, the Hurricane. Fully independent all the way around.

[f5fstop]

Diesel you might see in one of the Hummers:D , solid axle, I doubt it:D as with the front locker.:D

[wpage]

My tenent has a Heep and he hates it. Had it 6 months and its been in the dealer more than on the road. Electrical and misc engine issues...:popcorn:
Get the H3!!!

[BlueTJCO]

My tenent has a Heep and he hates it. Had it 6 months and its been in the dealer more than on the road. Electrical and misc engine issues...:popcorn:
Get the H3!!!

Me too. My jeep has been in the shop prob 6,734 times and counting.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Jeep questions on a Hummer forum? Why? Seems a little jaded.
My own .02 points to Hummer H3.

Why?
Because I have one, of course. :OWNED:

If I wanted a Jeep, I would have bought one, and probably, would have joined a Jeep forum. Or not, maybe I'd join a Saab forum, and ask questions about Opel.:giggling:


yeah!