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11-23-2003, 01:54 AM
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I noticed that R2 listed front lockers amongst other items that he has used to make his H2 his own. Where did/do you get front lockers for the H2 and how much $$$, who can put them on? 
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11-26-2003, 11:22 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul L:
It just seem to me that buying lockers for the front is a waste of time & money<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Than you don't wheel hard enough!
Steve, you hit the nail right on the head!
Lets get one thing straight. True lockers give the driver control over wheel spin. Traction control gives the computer control over wheel spin. Who do you want to be in charge?
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11-26-2003, 01:53 AM
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Yea!!! I hear ya.... 
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11-27-2003, 01:38 PM
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will a front locker have any warranty issues with any/all parts involved? Front diff?
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11-25-2003, 07:02 PM
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I think Steve was trying to be funny. 
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11-26-2003, 01:32 PM
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Good point, lockers give the driver control not the computer!!!!!
Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2
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11-25-2003, 11:18 PM
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Thank you R2 and Paul L for the valuable information!!
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11-26-2003, 08:19 AM
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Hey Dan,
You're right. If this is the Allen I think it is....he showed up at our Rowher Trail event and tried blasting up a really steep hill. He failed on his first attempt and I consulted with him on his selection of t-case modes and other stuff. He indicated to me that he had the front-locker "ON"...so I told him he had no front locker and only a rear locker. He then looked confused and gestured to his TC2 button and.....you can imagine the rest. He did make it up that hill on his next try!!!
I've considered a front-locker. There are 2 things I have no seen discussed here....so let's crack the books and chew the fat:
First, the traction control can in fact simulate a locker-like effect. If driven carefully and you understand the dynamics of your traction control system...then you can sorta work with your TC and almost stop/reduce the wheels from spinning. I consider the TC system 1/2-a-locker.....it's about half-way as effective as a true locker.
Bear in mind we still have a locker in the rear and the rear does most the work. Still...I've found situations where a front-locker would realy be nice. Particularly in this instance:
Often you want to crawl or creep over stuff. The tires may be up against a rock or small boulder: if you apply more and more power the tire will come up and over the rock...but you tend to "pop" or jump up when you finally get enough power to get up that obstacle. I've seen many people keep pushing on the gas and then literally thrust up and over the rock...only to come crashing down on their frame or rock rail cause they sorta overshot the rock. I'm sure you offroaders know exactly what I mean!!!
The H2 can be like a giant freakin' marshmellow. The rock won't budge so people just keep giving it more and more power...the tire starts to climb...and just as quickly you get on top of the rock and lurch forward! NO GOOD!!!
Sometimes you want to get right on top of that rock/boulder and re-direct your heading. Control is critical!!!!
The primiere technique I use is to apply braking and modulate the gas with the brake to create a very slow and solid progression forward. I slowly and deliberately creep up and on top of that rock: control!!!!
Here's the catch with our TC's: if you touch your brake...all TC functions are OFFLINE!!!! Now you've got nothing but an open differential in the front: one wheel slips/spins and it's all over for the front pulling!!!!
TC and braking can't work at the same time. A locker would resolve this issue and allow someone to seriously crawl, creep and maintain exquisite control...all the while having total turning of all 4 tires.
Front locker...a waste of money??? HELL NO!!!!! I've been waiting for one to come out and it would seem my ship has come in!!!!! I'm in line! Tell me more R2
What else you got going on with your rig???? Inquiring minds want to know!
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11-28-2003, 09:14 PM
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82 toy, front end is a custom high pinion 44, high steer and full hydro steering
4.3 gm v6 mated to a sm465(4 speed slush box) mated todual toy t-cases. rear is toyota still (have a dana 60 siting for when I blow it up again) Arb's front/rear. Modified waggy springs.
Its about to get re-done, I have sitting in a pile, 4 coil overs, chromo material for link bars, back half will be fully tubed, engine cage, re-desinged internal cage.....
Lots of stuff.. Oh ya, I run 38.5 tsl/sx's.
My rig is a perfect example of evolution, bought it back in 91, and has transformed over the years (comes down to that whole deal of what would I have done differently). But, I started fabbing stuff way before the net was anything at all....
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11-29-2003, 12:52 PM
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How did we get off topic?????? I think we started discussing the benefits of lockers for the front of the H2. I think lockers will improve the capabilities of any rig, solid or independent.
Have fun with your rig. I see based on your grounds why you would want a beefed up rig.
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11-26-2003, 01:09 PM
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We have lockers in a super stock Chevy pulling truck and usually put the 15.5" wide wranglers on for playing in the snow.
A few times get it stuck on top of big drifts.
If we can shovel enough to get any tire on the ground it comes right out, easy on the gas.
W/ TC the 3 tires are spinning and when it engages the 4th tire it is usually too fast and will break the traction it had, so STILL stuck.
Both lockers are the only way to fly.
I want to be in charge!
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11-28-2003, 01:20 AM
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Straight Axle Swap.. We will get you guys caught up in the lingo
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11-26-2003, 04:34 PM
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Steve,
I guess home insulation sales are slow today
I can't make the t-run without a divorce so I'll have to pass. I would love to go because I haven't been on the trail with you in a while and now my good friend Rick has a job so we're stuck with weekends.  |
11-25-2003, 09:11 PM
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The H2 has the ability to lock out the rear diffs, but not the front. Right?
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11-29-2003, 02:09 AM
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Rock,,
No need to justify your preferences. I realize that you may have bought into the global economy mindset; afterall it does take a village??? Allow me to embellish. We buy American made and Americans get a pay check to support their families. We live in America.
That's it,
Enjoy your yoda and remember there is someone out there that cannot support their family because you bought that perfect vehicle.
R2
Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2
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11-29-2003, 06:44 AM
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Its all about the progression, when I started in this sport, coil overs weren't even being used in the desert race series,lol... Of course, I will have over 4k in parts alone for the new suspension, so, thats not exactly cheap, and I collect parts by building rigs on the side...
As for to or not to buy american, I agree, we need to support americans. But also look at it from this standpoint, the only true person that spent the $$$ on the non us made stuff, is the first. Down the line, as a non american rig gets bought/sold, the $$$ now enters the US economy. But then again, my rig is now 2/3 american made products, stronger than the asain stuff by far.....
Hardcore,lol, I consider that a state of mind more than anything, and can be interperted(sp) in many ways...
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11-23-2003, 01:54 AM
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I noticed that R2 listed front lockers amongst other items that he has used to make his H2 his own. Where did/do you get front lockers for the H2 and how much $$$, who can put them on?
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11-25-2003, 10:58 PM
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Frank - That is correct, but R2 had front lockers put on his
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11-27-2003, 04:04 PM
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Ron.
The locker comes with a one year warrenty.
GM will not warrenty the diff after the Mod. The installation is guarrenteed for workmanship.
Bottom Line I don't know!!
R2
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