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I am about ready - but going back and forth and can't seem to make up my mind. I REALLY like the look of what you all call the DRTY Bumper Winch. But I feel that having the ability to switch the winch from front to back would be important. C'mon - you guys are never shy with opinions.  I am going with Warn - but should I go with the "built-in" front bumper system or the cradle mount that can be switched between the front and back? Those of you who have these systems and use them...whatd'ya think?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
-Permanently mounting winch in the front requires new an alignment of front wheel and permanently makes ride stiffer
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Gonna call BS on you with this. Where did you read that?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bondage:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
DRTY bumper. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, dammit, now I'm a little confused. I thought the "DRTY bumper" was a nickname here for the Warn bumper, but maybe not? Is the DRTY bumper a precedent of the Warn bumper that DRTY made himself or what?
Sean </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Drtyfn makes the bumper, it is NOT a warn bumper.
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Hey Paragon! That's not fair! I only hit it on one obstacle and that was it! (ok, maybe 3) but not very often! 
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Paragon, yes I have an H2. It's a Black '06 SUT lux package with all options except air suspension. Would have gotten the air as well, but dealer talked me out of it for some reason. Said it offered no benefit and costed more. Once I found out about the extra 2" of lift, I tried to get them to swap out my SUT for one with air but it already had been invoiced.
I have added the 9500i cradle setup and cabling from my previous '01 Chevy 2500HD. Before that, I had a cradle setup on my '97 Z71 with factory HD suspension. Here is the truck I just sold, and it had a welded in reciever for the winch that was welded into my cattle guard. In some of the pics, you can see my H2. I am also attaching an old pic of my '97 Z71. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188722617&...sp=y&lang=&cardist=0
This will offer some proof that I have over 9 years experience with winching and using cradle MM winch setups.
No, I don't give up on the hunts. When hunting, I try not to do too much labor -kinda messes up all the scent-free stuff I put on before the hunt
Yes, it is impractical to leave the winch inside. I was just offering an alternative if it altered someones approach angle. No matter how everyone flames me over it, it is better for MY tires if carrying it on the back. I can't do it now because my SUT has the rear tire carrier. However, since I now only put the winch on when I hunt and don't drive around all week with it - it's not near as bad on my tires.
The H2 does seem to have very stiff suspension that is not near as bad as my previous 1/2 ton was on tires. The 2500HD had very stiff suspension as well, but that heavy grill guard and winch setup really made the front sag and need an alignment there as well.
I did not mean to imply that everyone "must" get an alignment done. It would seem to me that because I can notice the difference in the front suspension/tires when using my MM winch, that the complete bumper setup would only make matters worse. After all, those bumpers look a lot nicer and heavier than the stock setup.
Again, was just trying to offer some input for the guy that was looking for it and not trying to hit on anyone's nerves.
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tomp, you should have just left well enough alone.
So, did you just give up on the hunts because you couldn't get to the spot you wanted to get to. That's the whole purpose of having a winch, to keep you going where your 4wd stops.
Do you even own an H2? First it's simply impractical to leave the winch inside the truck until you need it. There are times that you will not be able to get the winch in the receiver once you are stuck in an obstacle and then what good is that winch.
Where did you hear that the bumpers decrease approach angle? I have the Warn and several have the Drty and none of us complained about losing any approach.
Lastly, how many H2s are you aware of that had to have an alignment done after adding the winch bumpers? I for one, did not. I know at least 10 others that never mentioned it if they did.
Your opinion is fine around here, but when you start trying to throw your opinion around as if it is fact, especially when it is quite baseless, expect people to respond. If you don't like for others to contradict your opinion, then don't give your opinion. Very Simple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
DRTY bumper. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, dammit, now I'm a little confused. I thought the "DRTY bumper" was a nickname here for the Warn bumper, but maybe not? Is the DRTY bumper a precedent of the Warn bumper that DRTY made himself or what?
Q tells me not to worry with a winch. M is arranging for a constant fly-over when I am wheeling with a large elecromagnet-equipped chopper to lift me out of any trouble I might get into.
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Why all of the hostility here? No need for it, really.
PhilD, I use my vehicles for hunting in very wooded areas that are mud holes the entire stretch of forest. It's not wise to spend your entire hunting trip using your winch to keep pulling your self deeper into more trouble. After all, I went there to hunt and not 4-wheel the whole time. It was not an assumption, just my personal experience. Sorry if it differs from your own use of your vehicles. These very wooded areas do not allow for vehicles with raised suspension, or you will have trouble making it through the wooded trails with lots of trees close by and over the top of you.
PJ, you could easily just put the winch in the back of a SUT or inside the SUV, if it causes you that much grief. Besides, from the way I understand it the perm-mount bumpers make angles worse than stock.
PJ, the weight of the 9500 Warn cradle & winch came off of my 1/2 ton pickup. I added the stuff to mount the winch on the front and tires started wearing on the inside and not even. I can tell the difference in stiffness with a 9000+ warn on the front end. Drive around with the winch on the front and you too will notice the tire wear.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bondage:
Okay, dammit, now I'm a little confused. I thought the "DRTY bumper" was a nickname here for the Warn bumper, but maybe not? Is the DRTY bumper a precedent of the Warn bumper that DRTY made himself or what? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Warn cradle setup
The "DRTYFN bumper"
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shipbldr:
WINCH SIZE: I have a 12,000 hydraulic winch. Mounting the winch on a cradle DOES NOT limit the size winch you can get. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You must be more of a man than I am.
If you put a rope on it, it weighs less too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The synthetic cable is great... It's certainly on my list of things that will happen next time I get bored... and have some spare time.
I already have some minor kinks in the wire cable I've got now.
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Dennis,
Do you have BOTH the front bumper winch AND a seperate rear winch???
Holy cow!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xAltitude:
Normally people think what they bought is the best solution
I have had both and hands down prefer the bumper for convenience and they look better (that's obviously subjective and nothing to do with function).
Hands down winner for me is the ability to open the hood and not move the darn thing.
BTW someone's Brother in Law stood me up on my old Warn 9000 cradle winch. If anyone in Denver needs one they can have it for next to nothing (it's just taking up space in the garage). It needs a new rope but other than that works fine and includes all the wiring. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Funny you should talk about it "looking better." That's the main reason I got interested in the "DRTY Bumper Winch." But I have to consider more than that! Because of the dangerous and remote terrain I wheel in, it needs to have the utmost practicality. Let me restate what I think I've picked from your collective brains so far.....
Bumper Winch:
Plus's: Looks good. Is always there. Works well in a front pull sit, COULD be run under the vehicle in an emergency rear pull sit. Does not interfere with hood opening. Neg's: Less powerful, might not work well in a rear pull situation.
MultiMount:
Plus's: Works well in front. Works well in rear. Can be removed when not in use so as not to interfere with approach/depart angles. Easy to transfer to another vehicle in an emergency or upon sale. Can be more powerful (9500 vs. 12000) Neg's: Interfere's with hood opening when installed, negatively impacts approach/departure angles when installed, is not "always at the ready."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I think the MultiMount is winning me over. Any other thoughts or input?
By the way - this is the BEST advice I've ever gotten on here. Hell, even our "media friends" are piping in with somewhat constructive input. OUTSTANDING!
Thanks!
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Did that mess up the Warn smashing the fairlead into the rock? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not at all. It still turns. Just ask ******.
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Ok... maybe this will help.
I have my winch mounted in a cradle... and I can move it front rear.
SELF RESCUE: I thought it is important to be able to move it, because once in a while I will do "stupid things" by myself. Self rescue is important to me.
SMALL "H2 RESCUE TRUCKS": Also I wheel with a lot of "smaller trucks" and if I get stuck... just one of them would have a hard time pulling me out.
COST: So I paid a couple dollars more to be able to move the winch to the back. I have the feeling the first time I move the winch and self-rescue I will tell myself "it's paid for".
FREQUENCY OF USE: On the other hand... every time so far I have needed a pull backwards... rather than move the winch... the guy behind me gave me a tug using the tow strap.
Moveable winch... great for self-rescue, rarely if ever needed when with a group.
Bling Factor: I like the look of a giant winch sticking out of the front of my truck. You spend the cash on a winch... why keep it hidden. I now get more questions about the winch than I do the truck.
Farming Factor: Winch cradle ploughs up ground in tough spots. Purely cosmetic... never slowed me down in the least.
WINCH SIZE: I have a 12,000 hydraulic winch. Mounting the winch on a cradle DOES NOT limit the size winch you can get.
If you like the dirty bumper... I would buy it. It looks great.
If front rear is important, get a cradle.
My cents...
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I am about ready - but going back and forth and can't seem to make up my mind. I REALLY like the look of what you all call the DRTY Bumper Winch. But I feel that having the ability to switch the winch from front to back would be important. C'mon - you guys are never shy with opinions. I am going with Warn - but should I go with the "built-in" front bumper system or the cradle mount that can be switched between the front and back? Those of you who have these systems and use them...whatd'ya think?
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That pic of my '97 was too big to post it. Sorry...
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DRTY bumper.
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I have PMed Drty a few times to get a price and when it will be offered....he hates me, so I get no reply.
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tomp, you should have just left well enough alone.
So, did you just give up on the hunts because you couldn't get to the spot you wanted to get to. That's the whole purpose of having a winch, to keep you going where your 4wd stops.
Do you even own an H2? First it's simply impractical to leave the winch inside the truck until you need it. There are times that you will not be able to get the winch in the receiver once you are stuck in an obstacle and then what good is that winch.
Where did you hear that the bumpers decrease approach angle? I have the Warn and several have the Drty and none of us complained about losing any approach.
Lastly, how many H2s are you aware of that had to have an alignment done after adding the winch bumpers? I for one, did not. I know at least 10 others that never mentioned it if they did.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shipbldr:
WINCH SIZE: I have a 12,000 hydraulic winch. Mounting the winch on a cradle DOES NOT limit the size winch you can get. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You must be more of a man than I am.
If you put a rope on it, it weighs less too.
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