MOAB GOING BYE BYE ?????

[NEOCON1]

you probably scared the intern that reads these to death

[K9sH3]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

you probably scared the intern that reads these to death

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

Give them the heads up.......Moab Partmership could be giving them a call.


Speaking of Lobby:

It occured to me that the "Big 3" all have a stake in this. GM, Chrysler and Ford have all sunk a ton of money into developing off road capable vehicles. How likely would it be that we could enlist them for help in this fight?

I think we need to create a fund enlisting all of the like-minded interests. I'll contribute.

[HummBebe]

So, in your professional opinion, which of the org. listed here are the most effective?

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=24388


Blue Ribbon Coalition seems to have one of the only attorneys, USA-ALL, I think has the best organisation, I just wish they were national.

[f5fstop]

It appears to me that this law would prevent the disabled from driving out and seeing the country in their handicapped equipped Hummer. It may sound silly, but it might work, if they take away any areas that are currently accessible via a road.

(I would write my senators, but neither will read any of my emails or letters. Carl Levin and Debbie Stabbanow, two of the biggest Liberal POS senators on the planet. I have written them about illegal aliens, gun control, how unions SUCK, and lately, I have stopped receiving replies.)

[NEOCON1]

nav just sent this


Dear Senators, Congresspeople, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Utah State Representatives, Utah Governor Huntsman,

Regarding the introduction of America?s Red Rock Desert Act, Moab Utah

First of all, I LIVE IN MOAB, Utah. I moved here from Southern California 6 months ago for many reasons, but mostly because of the areas that are accessable in a 4 wheel drive vehicle, horseback, bicycle, etc. and the beauty of the red rock. I am a camper, sightseer, lover of nature and animals, its serenity and solace, and am concerned with the environment. However, I see all the sights and travel to all these spectacular places in my 4-wheel drive vehicle.

I am asking that you do not close the off road vehicle trails in Moab, Utah. I have to inform you, that you and the groups that are sponsoring this bill are completely miss-informed. Off road enthusiasts DO care about the environment. We belong to organization such as The Blue Ribbon Coalition, Tread Lightly, United Four Wheel Drive Association, and WE ARE STEWARDS of the LAND. We obey the laws that are already in place, including but not limited to respecting the cryptobiotic crust and the animals that make it and bring the red rock desert alive with other plants and animals.

We are legitimate responsible recreationists and should be recognized as such.

I understand preservation and protection, but you make yourself out to be an ignorant and uninformed elitist when you exclude 4-wheel drive recreation from the list of "non-consumptive" recreationists.

How do hunters, fisherman, kayakers, hikers, equestrians and mountain bikers get to these incredible destinations? Most of them must drive, and a majority of them use an off-road-able four-wheel drive vehicle. The businesses that do off-road tours with motorcycles and quads, bicycles and rafters, runners and horseback riders, all drive 4 wheel vehicles to get to the spots they want to explore and enjoy. Living here in Moab I see them very frequently heading out to the trails in these vehicles.

How are motorized/mechanized vehicles "consumptive" in the red rock desert or anywhere else for that matter?

Like I stated before, I LIVE IN MOAB. This is a tourist town and the "outfitters", hotels, stores, grocery stores, restaurants, etc. make most of their money within a few months out of the year. We have huge, world class events such as the Skinny Tire Festival, The Half Marathon, April Action Car Show and the largest is Jeep Safari and many other special events. People come here from all over the world and ship their trucks, bikes, etc. from overseas to experience what Moab has to offer them. Other businesses are open year round. I work at a local hotel and shop in local stores. They would all go out of business if this act passes, and Moab would be a ghost town, and that would mean that I would have to move from this beautiful place. There is no big industry here and we like it that way. It's small town living.

It's not fair to the citizens of Utah that someone from another state is wanting to pass this act. They don't raise their children here, they don't pay taxes here, THEY DON'T LIVE AND WORK HERE!. I don't know that any of them have even visited Moab. Therefore, I cannot support this Act. The Congresspeople involved have no business sticking their noses into our states business. They should be concentrating on making their own state better before looking to close the trails that we enjoy, respect and protect here in Moab, Utah.

Respectfully,


beebs she modded yours a lil

she found a site that mails all of them and the white house too. and the governor and Moab reps

[HummBebe]

Awesome Nav....

Link please....

[MarineHawk]

You guys are a bunch of capitalist, imperialist, nature-hatin' earth maulers.

[NEOCON1]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

Awesome Nav....

Link please....

Hey Beebs, Nav here. Thanks for the head start on the letter. I'm going to print it out and send it to my Mom and the family will also send letters from "home".

Link: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...e=UT&bzip=3145

If you enter your zip plus 4, it'll bring up CA reps for your area.

[NEOCON1]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

You guys are a bunch of capitalist, imperialist, nature-hatin' earth maulers.

and lovin every minute of it

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

So, in your professional opinion, which of the org. listed here are the most effective?

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=24388

I hate to cynically oversimplify, and I might be overlooking something, but I'd say the best bet is/are the one(s) that can raise the most money. E.g., the N.R.A. gets what it wants because it spends truckloads of cash it raises from members on campaigns and issue-specific lobbying. The guys I work with know the right people and methods to get things through Congress--I work on the same floor as a former U.S. Senator who knows this game like the back of his hand. There are other good lobbying shops as well. But they all sell their highly-specialized skills and connections for ridiculously-high fees. The former Senator left the U.S. Senate because he could make $zillions doing this kind of thing. If you pay guys like that a sh!t wad of money, they will push your cause effectively. That's the only real lobbying trick I know. Though there may be other ways to go about it. I'm just a lowly litigator from Kansas.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

Hey Beebs, Nav here. Thanks for the head start on the letter. I'm going to print it out and send it to my Mom and the family will also send letters from "home".

Link: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...e=UT&bzip=3145

If you enter your zip plus 4, it'll bring up CA reps for your area.

That's SWEET!!! Thank you.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

I hate to cynically oversimplify, and I might be overlooking something, but I'd say the best bet is/are the one(s) that can raise the most money. E.g., the N.R.A. gets what it wants because it spends truckloads of cash it raises from members on campaigns and issue-specific lobbying. The guys I work with know the right people and methods to get things through Congress--I work on the same floor as a former U.S. Senator who knows this game like the back of his hand. There are other good lobbying shops as well. But they all sell their highly-specialized skills and connections for ridiculously-high fees. The former Senator left the U.S. Senate because he could make $zillions doing this kind of thing. If you pay guys like that a sh!t wad of money, they will push your cause effectively. That's the only real lobbying trick I know. Though there may be other ways to go about it. I'm just a lowly litigator from Kansas.

Is getting them through the same as getting them stopped? I'm going to assume yes.

Our sport is so small, I can see now with this new "perspective" that all outdoorsman, 4 wheelers, motorcyclists, hunters, anglers, campers, snomobilers, ATV'ers and mountainbikers, anyone who has an interest in utilizing public land on wheels, needs to come together with a common goal.

To keep our public lands accessible.

Thanks.

[frenzy1]

lose the trucks !!!!

[CrisB]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

(I would write my senators, but neither will read any of my emails or letters. Carl Levin and Debbie Stabbanow, two of the biggest Liberal POS senators on the planet. I have written them about illegal aliens, gun control, how unions SUCK, and lately, I have stopped receiving replies.)

X2, damn leaf-lickers....but I'll still send the letters in the hope they get off their fat a$$es & pay attention to their constituents.

[RuggedH2]

That's the problem, millions of acres of Utah has been declared " protected wilderness" by Federal lawmakers in the last decade.

Utah is overwhelmingly conservative. Therefore many liberal lawmakers feel they must protect us from ourselves, by enacting laws to restrict us from using the land where we live. The Utah lawmakers vote against the legislation but lose, because they don't have the numbers like those in California.

Most of the liberals will never visit the land they have deemed "off limits" to everyone else.

[KenP]

Is it still there?

[usetosellhummer]

I hope I get to wheel it befroe it closes

[KenP]

Originally Posted by usetosellhummer

I hope I get to wheel it befroe it closes

No kidding. If they close Moab, what are they going to do with all the business's and waht about Neo's house? He's probably pissed.

Just imagine coming home from work one day and having a big old CLOSED sign at the end of your driveway.