H2 vs JEEP End all showdown in MOAB VIDEO!

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
What's that? You are rattle canning your rig? Oh ****, how lame is that?


yes, I fortunately can build a rig to 4 wheel. I learned how, can you? Actually can you wheel at all? more pics please?


Thank you for prooving my point again. I was under the impression from the post above that the video was funny and not about personal attacks, but you havce sunk to a how new level.... ROCK ON top of ya http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


More pics for you froma rig I built... but the buy vs build is awhole other discussion you may not be able to handle http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif cry baby cry, go learn how to air up your tire... lame...

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Gerber, nice do-it-yourselfer. Bet it wheels great. But do you have to trailer it everywhere? Just wondering because that set up will beat the piss out of ya after awhile. Oh, but I'm sure you're a stud and you eat nails so you can take it, right?
You're probably one of the butthumps on PBB that whines about Extreme4X4 on Spike not being hardcore enoughhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I'll bet your neighbors were pleased with the overspray that wafted over onto their cars.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by geberhard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I LOVE THIS FORUM!!!!!!

I see a few here that STILL haven't gotten the true message of my video. So be it.



ROCK ON!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You are funny http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So what is teh message for those of us who still do not get it? Maybe flipping more burgers will shed the light... Hmm also not sure what you have against burger flippers, do you just do not like everyone? Maybe you should relax, go hav a burger... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your defensive replies are the exact reaction I was hoping for.

The feeling sucks when somebody bashes your ride don't it?

Nothing personal. ALOT OF THAT **** I PUT IN THE VIDEO ABOUT JEEP WAS OBVIOUSLY FALSE.

Just wanted to make a point. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If we ever meet, trust me, steaks and beer on me. That's how we are around this group. We're just a little fed up with this crap that WE NEVER started.


P.S. To answer your sig..... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by geberhard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
What's that? You are rattle canning your rig? Oh ****, how lame is that?


yes, I fortunately can build a rig to 4 wheel. I learned how, can you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No you didn't. If what you learned was to use a can of spray paint to paint your rig with, then you, sport, didn't learn much at all. ****, all you had to do was go to Sears and buy a cheap air compressor and a sprayer. Hell, you didn't even spend twenty more dollars to build a driveway paint booth. Give me a break. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I LOVE THIS FORUM!!!!!!

I see a few here that STILL haven't gotten the true message of my video. So be it.



ROCK ON!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Pavement on http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd love to see your bumpy riding teeth-rattler on the highway doing more than 60mph. I bet that little thing is a pisser in a cross wind. But it is bad-ass and so hardcore. I worship it.



Keep flipping, boy. I'll tell you when to stop.

[geberhard]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by geberhard:
I posted one link from pirate, was looking for the funny one on the Liberty and Scrambler helping the H2 stuck.

Yep, tahnk you for proving my point, and the extensive background research. so hard to look for me since I used my pirate board name since I am not a coward and am even posting my name you weak prick.

Thansk God I can say I build my rig rather than bedn over like you did buying yours, and getting very little to no use out of it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Grow up little kid http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and pirate is not a jeep site, it is a extreme rock crawling site, and tehre are forums for all rigs that wheel... errr. maybe not H2's...

Oh, and a cool other forum and site for you to look at is: http://www.fuh2.com

You like many here are missing the pointhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But come to the "hood" sometime and we can go have fun wheeling together http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You don't like it personal? Why are you here at an H2 forum posting bull****? You made it personal with your BS postings and I simply responded to your lies. Especially the ones about where you saw the video. Don't like it when your buttons are pushed, do you.

It's always everyone else that's missing the point, isn't it. You have failed miserably at making any point except the one of making an ass of yourself. I just enjoy helping out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry paragon, you are the making an ass of yourself without anyones's help http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif The video is posted here:

http://customers.holdenmss.com/webfiles/images/H2TributeForum.wmv

I did not see it in the pirate site unfortunately...


Like in one of my first posts, the same thing portrayed in Dennis video, can be applied to any rig, as there are planny of "funny " Videos with any rig breaking, including Hummers. His video has low riders "bling" Jeeps, the same can be found on Google Images, easily... that is what I posted. The pic of a Hummer with broken tie rods or video can also be posted in teh same location Dennis put in his video....

[wilfred]

Originally posted by geberhard:
Hmmm, from Paragon, I am Lame, and live in the "hood" LOL ;D

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
What's that? You are rattle canning your rig? Oh ****, how lame is that?

Spelling I can handle, but I do not understand the bad grammar on his other statement well:

Originally posted by PARAGON:Funny, funny stuff. You stinkin' pirate. Oh, that's right, pirate's not a jeep site. So you didn't post for retaliation just to show the same thing that Dennis did but somehow it's Ok for you to do it but somehow still you insinuate that it's not for Dennis to. And, oh, no you downloaded the link from the pirate site. Why the lies and dodging?

Why still are you painting your **** in your 'hood's driveway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

geberhard, if anyone needs to check his grammar/spelling, it's YOU! Please go back and edit your own first.

[HummerNewbie]

You have to flip 47,923 burgers to be as cool as me.

Now that was funny http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
Like in one of my first posts, the same thing portrayed in Dennis video, can be applied to any rig, as there are planny of "funny " Videos with any rig breaking, including Hummers. His video has low riders "bling" Jeeps, the same can be found on Google Images, easily... that is what I posted. The pic of a Hummer with broken tie rods or video can also be posted in teh same location Dennis put in his video....

You mean "plenty"? Must be the Hooked On Phonics **** they use for you guys down there.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DennisAJC]

Can't we all just.....Git along????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

47,923

Dennis,

Does the number go down with each post or does it go up http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[geberhard]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by geberhard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I LOVE THIS FORUM!!!!!!

I see a few here that STILL haven't gotten the true message of my video. So be it.

ROCK ON!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You are funny http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So what is teh message for those of us who still do not get it? Maybe flipping more burgers will shed the light... Hmm also not sure what you have against burger flippers, do you just do not like everyone? Maybe you should relax, go hav a burger... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your defensive replies are the exact reaction I was hoping for.

The feeling sucks when somebody bashes your ride don't it?

Nothing personal. ALOT OF THAT **** I PUT IN THE VIDEO ABOUT JEEP WAS OBVIOUSLY FALSE.

Just wanted to make a point. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If we ever meet, trust me, steaks and beer on me. That's how we are around this group. We're just a little fed up with this crap that WE NEVER started.


P.S. To answer your sig..... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dennis,

Trust me I have nothing personal against you or anyone here,and have no reason to.. welll Paragon is getting there, but not worth my time... I saw your video and also laughed and know it was a joke. I came to thsi site a few weeks back looking on HWMVV, H2, H3 etc. I saw that the video had the address so finsing the thread was not hard, and I read through some seeing what peopel were saying and what the debate was about. If anyone thought I was going to come to a Hummer site to bash on Hummers they are wrong. I was making fun the same way you made fun on the video, so it should have been seen as such. Some peopel just did not know how to take it, and that is understandable..

I am sure if any of us here would meet face to face we would have a few beers, and have some laughs, nothing personal.

Gui

[HummerNewbie]

BTW Dennis, I didn't get **** done at work again today thanks to your video and thread http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[geberhard]

Paragon,

To help you undertsand, the rattle can job is done by many off roaders since it is easily repairable after rock rashes, trail scratches, or tree branches against the paint to avoid rust. A simple rattle can job can be done by most if prepped correctly.

I developed my suspension, axles and setup (Ford front), rear Chevy 14 bolt). The Jeep has been built by me for wheeling, without anyones help. I am not bashing and discussing teh buy vs build here. Or saying that my rig is bigger or better than yours. I am saying I build it. I put it togheter, and if you chill and leave behind being upset, or anything, take your time, and look at the threads on pirate and you can actually see what I have done.

Gui

[DennisAJC]

GUI,

STOP! ....SHUT UP!.......

JUST SHUT UP...............

.........You had me at hello! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif..........

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[geberhard]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
BTW Dennis, I didn't get **** done at work again today thanks to your video and thread http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Argh, me neither, this therad was hazardous... very few burgers flipped today http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just teasing ya http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gui

[geberhard]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
GUI,

STOP! ....SHUT UP!.......

JUST SHUT UP...............

.........You had me at hello! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif..........


LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Cool let me check out the videos!

Gui

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
Dennis,

Trust me I have nothing personal against you or anyone here,and have no reason to.. welll Paragon is getting there, but not worth my time... I saw your video and also laughed and know it was a joke. I came to thsi site a few weeks back looking on HWMVV, H2, H3 etc. I saw that the video had the address so finsing the thread was not hard, and I read through some seeing what peopel were saying and what the debate was about. If anyone thought I was going to come to a Hummer site to bash on Hummers they are wrong. I was making fun the same way you made fun on the video, so it should have been seen as such. Some peopel just did not know how to take it, and that is understandable..

I am sure if any of us here would meet face to face we would have a few beers, and have some laughs, nothing personal.

Gui

Ok, you can stop flipping now.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You're right about laughing about this stuff.
Have you been up on the 'Con lately?

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by geberhard:
... very few burgers flipped today http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Guess that number is going to be going up http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HeimenHummer]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
GUI,

STOP! ....SHUT UP!.......

JUST SHUT UP...............

.........You had me at hello! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif..........

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Tears....running....eyes......lmao!

Unbelievable.

[geberhard]

Doing Slickrock next weekend, and deer Valley in Agust. Doing some Swedish wheeling in September and Rubicon in October. Am bummed about what is happening on the Con. Just heard today that Spider Lake, a good camping area on the Con is being closed again. Bummer. Last year closed due to hazard (poo) in the lake surrounding area, and thsi year due to iresponsible wheelers driving off the trail.


Very bummed. Like I posted some pages ago, am bummed that what wheelers are actually causing trail closures, and not extreme green conservationists (nothing against conserving, but extreme http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. It has been hard to continue the clean ups and educate others on the trail... Hopefully people will start understanding more. We do trail clean ups, and things have gotten worse in the last years in most trails.. Hoping this will change. More info here:



http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/projects_05.htm


Any help and divulgation appreciated,

Gui

[geberhard]

All this talk about burgers got me hungry, lol http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif HMMM In and Out http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gui

[h2co-pilot]

Aw! You mushy little pookies are going to make me cry!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

You don't get off that damn easy. Fine, if you want to quit the crap. I'll quit pushing the buttons, but don't try to continue a lie, here. People here are just not that stupid.

Where do you suppose you got that link to the video? You got the link from pirate. Damn, what difference does it make, and why lie about something so insignificant and simple.

Either keep the trolling so we can continue with the fun or just drop it all.

[geberhard]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
You don't get off that damn easy. Fine, if you want to quit the crap. I'll quit pushing the buttons, but don't try to continue a lie, here. People here are just not that stupid.

Where do you suppose you got that link to the video? You got the link from pirate. Damn, what difference does it make, and why lie about something so insignificant and simple.

Either keep the trolling so we can continue with the fun or just drop it all.

Paragon,

Sorry to repeat, but you are wrong... The link was from another board... so?

http://www.bayarea4x4.com/forums/index.php?topic=4279.0

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
All this talk about burgers got me hungry, lol http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif HMMM In and Out http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gui

Ohhhh, you bitch!!!http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I hope you choke on your Double-Double.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[geberhard]

The fun can continue...


BTW the link to the video is around in a bunch of boards, in some not giving te H2 gang a good name http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif DO not worry, it was not me who posted it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think a bunch of other sites has it as well, not sure if big-boys.com has posted yet, but this one was there.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/hummerroll.html

Thsi one is just weird, why would someone do that toa rig? Maybe not his?

[geberhard]

Fawk http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Not sure if a double double protein style would be popular with teh ladies http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Honey would you like a double double protein style...***SMACK!!!**

http://www.in-n-out.com/images/secretmenu_2.gif

[geberhard]

But I prefer my meat inside a bun http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Confucious says.. " Is good for girl to meet boy at park. It is better for boy to park meat at girl http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif "

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
Doing Slickrock next weekend, and deer Valley in Agust. Doing some Swedish wheeling in September and Rubicon in October. Am bummed about what is happening on the Con. Just heard today that Spider Lake, a good camping area on the Con is being closed again. Bummer. Last year closed due to hazard (poo) in the lake surrounding area, and thsi year due to iresponsible wheelers driving off the trail.


Very bummed. Like I posted some pages ago, am bummed that what wheelers are actually causing trail closures, and not extreme green conservationists (nothing against conserving, but extreme http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. It has been hard to continue the clean ups and educate others on the trail... Hopefully people will start understanding more. We do trail clean ups, and things have gotten worse in the last years in most trails.. Hoping this will change. More info here:



http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/projects_05.htm


Any help and divulgation appreciated,

Gui

I like Del's site. I was checking the Rubi' info out on PBB.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=29

When I ran it(in my H2 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)in October of '03 Spider was a pisser. Asshats were coming up through Little Sluice at 1am blaring Guns'N'Roses(I smashed that CD when I got home) and banging their rigs around & gunning their engines until about 3am. I really thought about a mystery beating on those *******s.
My buddy & I hauled out a couple of bags of trash that was left behind by other idiots. Nice trail, but bad situation.

You're so right- the trail will get closed because of wheelers, not enviro-kooks.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by geberhard:
But I prefer my meat inside a bun http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Confucious says.. " Is good for girl to meet boy at park. It is better for boy to park meat at girl http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif "

I hope you get really fat.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Hey, if you see JeepChick wedged into the drive-thru pat her on her blow hole for me.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[geberhard]

Yep, some trails have been getting worse in the last years, if I had a buck for every can of Coors light and Corona I picked from teh trails we go... It is a sucky situation. A lot of kids that do not see the problem in front of their faces. getting pretty bad, and the Rubicon may become a posterchild to what is coming out next. Mored education needed, enforcement needed, trail manners, good common sense (too much drinking and driving on the trails lately). It gives wheeling and the sport a bad image it does not need. Also impacts anyone who wishes to even take their families on a simple SUV camp out.

We try enfrocing, even about people packing their poo out of the trail, but some just laugh, and keep on trashing. Pretty sad. On the plkus side, the community is recognizing this issues, and more aliances are forming to help prevent that, educate, and enforce good trail manners. Kind aonly time will tell, but do not wait.

I dig scuba, and anytime I am under I also collect piles of trash beer cans, plastic, bottles, etc. Would be easy to blame people fishing in the areas, and cope out, but it is not about that. Some people are not getting it until it is too late. It has got to change sometime.

Gui

[DRTYFN]

That's exactly why we all have to band together to keep our trails open. Education is the paramount issue. Responsibility for one's actions is the next.

[DrMoab]

So I heard kind of a nasty rumor about you some of you guys today. A Moab Local friend of mine said he was there at the Esclalator in Moab when you filmed that little piece. He said what you can't see in the video is the winch line hooked to the front. Any truth to this?

Also said that the hummer guys were the biggest bunch of unfriendly pricks he has ever run into on a trail.

Now I am not attacking anyone because I don't know if its true or not but if it is true maybe that explains a lot why you guys get razzed on the trail so much.

Attitude is everything ya know.

[DennisAJC]

TOTALLY WRONG!

There was a Hummer group there (2 groups) that were total pricks, but they weren't H2s. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm being totally honest with you, we are the friendliest bunch you would ever meet in Moab. No joke.

DRTYFN did The Escalator UNAIDED. Took a few tried but he did it.

[wilfred]

DrMoab, may i suggest you take the time to read this whole thread before you start making comments like all trolls do: So I heard... A friend said... and yada yada yada...

During the last 24 hours, there has been many of you (possibly from the jeep boards?) coming over talking trash and still doesn't get the meaning of Dennis video...

Sigh.

[DennisAJC]

To add to that,

We actually spent some time with a Jeep group(About 12 of them) and we cheered them on as they went up Hell's Gate. They even gave one of our members a ride throught the obstacle. We all cheered and swapped cameras to take as they ascended and descended.


The only time we had a problem was when the "Other" group (H1s) were being snobby and doing stupid things like park in handicap spots and fire hydrants.



And to add more honesty to that, non of our group tried Hell's Gate. I had attempted Potato Salad but was too scared to try Hell's Gate. Huh, go figure. That is why we'll be going again this year. Just for that specific one.

[wilfred]

Take geberhard for instance, first he was talking **** now he is trying to make friends?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
So I heard kind of a nasty rumor about you some of you guys today. A Moab Local friend of mine said he was there at the Esclalator in Moab when you filmed that little piece. He said what you can't see in the video is the winch line hooked to the front. Any truth to this?

Also said that the hummer guys were the biggest bunch of unfriendly pricks he has ever run into on a trail.

Now I am not attacking anyone because I don't know if its true or not but if it is true maybe that explains a lot why you guys get razzed on the trail so much.

Attitude is everything ya know. So, I heard the <span class="ev_code_RED">FACT</span>, not rumor, that a bunch of Jeepers where running around everywhere off trail, leaving all kind of trash on the trail, and basically giving wheelers a bad name to the citizens of Moab at this past easter jeep safari. So, STFU and quit putting your foot in your mouth. If you were remotely interested in anything here other that stirring the **** pot you would look at the original Moab video that shows that H2 going up Escalator and it's not edited in any way.

By the way, here is what a Moab local had to say about the Jeepers being there during the safari:As one person recently said about Jeep Safari in the local Moab newpaper, "What would you do if you invited a guest to your house and he broke all your dishes and crapped in your sink?" This April event has become the single most damaging human factor in the Moab area--an environmental OUTRAGE that must be stopped before it degrades the town's reputation and the beauty that surrounds it to such a point that people are no longer interested in coming here. Each year the damage done by hundreds of redneck Jeepers (not the Safari organizers, by the way, but renegades that attend the event but do not participate in the managed rides), create scars on the landscape, leave mounds of trash and distribute drunken bad vibes all over the desert. We follow beer cans like Hansel and Gretel all the way to their camp spots and get the bird when we ask them to obey the law. Sadly, organizers of the event and land management must shoulder the blame.

[NJ H2]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I think the Jeepers are still just pissed off that Jeep lost the Jeep/Hummer Grill lawsuit case in court! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
So, I heard the <span class="ev_code_RED">FACT</span>, not rumor, that a bunch of Jeepers where running around everywhere off trail, leaving all kind of trash on the trail, and basically giving wheelers a bad name to the citizens of Moab at this past easter jeep safari. So, STFU and quit putting your foot in your mouth. If you were remotely interested in anything here other that stirring the **** pot you would look at the original Moab video that shows that H2 going up Escalator and it's not edited in any way.

By the way, here is what a Moab local had to say about the Jeepers being there during the safari:[QUOTE]As one person recently said about Jeep Safari in the local Moab newpaper, "What would you do if you invited a guest to your house and he broke all your dishes and crapped in your sink?" This April event has become the single most damaging human factor in the Moab area--an environmental OUTRAGE that must be stopped before it degrades the town's reputation and the beauty that surrounds it to such a point that people are no longer interested in coming here. Each year the damage done by hundreds of redneck Jeepers (not the Safari organizers, by the way, but renegades that attend the event but do not participate in the managed rides), create scars on the landscape, leave mounds of trash and distribute drunken bad vibes all over the desert. We follow beer cans like Hansel and Gretel all the way to their camp spots and get the bird when we ask them to obey the law. Sadly, organizers of the event and land management must shoulder the blame.
Slow down there man...I wasn't trying to stir any pots. I was really curious if this was fact or fiction.

As far as the EJS trust me I agree with you totally. I am so sick of all the ass hats that show up down there.

The group I run with doesn't even go on Easter just for this reason.

The Red Rockers...the group that put on the EJS has been batting around the idea of switching the safari to a weekend in May to get away from spring break weekend.

Its not the actual paying members of the EJS that is causing all the problems. Its all the yahoos that show up down there thinking its just a good spring break party spot.

But these guys aren't just driving jeeps. They are driving jeep,buggies,chevys,broncos,scouts and problebly a few of their daddys hummers also.

If your group wasn't the group in question thats cool. I just wanted to know.

Its funny you guys remind me of a bunch of whipped puppys. You really must get a lot of **** on the trail...way more then I realized to be so defensive.

On and as far as the video....yeah I get the point.I think most of us do.

[h2co-pilot]

Whipped puppies? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

We get **** on the trail, **** on the street by eco-nazi's, **** on 4x4 forums and **** on in the media. So yeah, being a little defensive would be expected. I'm not saying this with violins in the background it is just a fact.

For instance, I went to a park forum to ask about the trails to try and got so much crap my arms were full. "I have to see this, I've never seen a Hummer roll before! Hur hur."

Here's the link:
http://www.paragonap.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5599

We ended up being friends in the end but we always have to prove something you know.

BTW, the video is on that forum too. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



Then we have this little rilvary and you show up in the midst of it questioning our members accomplishments and attitudes when we go out of our way to help the name of our vehicles. Are you getting the picture?

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Then we have this little rilvary and you show up in the midst of it questioning our members accomplishments and attitudes when we go out of our way to help the name of our vehicles. Are you getting the picture?
The way I see it...To question is a lot different then to judge. I never judged any of you.

[TomCat]

Howdy all.

I ended up here because of a link on a Jeep site regarding the video.
After reading several posts, I have a much better understanding of the Hummer community. So figured I'd join, not to stir any pot, but merely to be able to share info with other 4WD enthusiasts.
The video itself is a hoot when taken in the tongue-in-cheek manner it was intended. However, I do think the photochop dictator pics were in bad taste.
Anyhoo, just wanted to say hi, and if any of you members are planning something in SE Michigan I'd like to come by and meet ya in person. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tom

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by TomCat:
Howdy all.

I ended up here because of a link on a Jeep site regarding the video.
After reading several posts, I have a much better understanding of the Hummer community. So figured I'd join, not to stir any pot, but merely to be able to share info with other 4WD enthusiasts.
The video itself is a hoot when taken in the tongue-in-cheek manner it was intended. However, I do think the photochop dictator pics were in bad taste.
Anyhoo, just wanted to say hi, and if any of you members are planning something in SE Michigan I'd like to come by and meet ya in person. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tom

Welcome Tom. Got any vacation time in October?

[TomCat]

Welcome Tom. Got any vacation time in October?

Thanks for the welcome, DRTYFN.

I'm self employed, so the good news is I can take vacation when I want to. The bad news is, being self employed, I don't GET a vacation!

[PARAGON]

Well, Tom, the guy that made the video is Jewish and thinks the motherland is controlling Jeep right now. Matter of fact, I think I read somewhere he said that he believes Hitler is preserved in a cryogenic state in a MB.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!

Seriously though, I think the intent of using him was his way of saying that Jeep is owned by MB.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Then we have this little rilvary and you show up in the midst of it questioning our members accomplishments and attitudes when we go out of our way to help the name of our vehicles. Are you getting the picture?
The way I see it...To question is a lot different then to judge. I never judged any of you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>To question IS to judge. To ask a question is something totally different and you were in no way simply doing that. Don't even try to pretend.

[MR Tool]

Originally posted by PARAGON:

Seriously though, I think the intent of using him was his way of saying that Jeep is owned by MB.

If I was to believe that was his intent, then why were Saddam, then the Iraqi minister shown that way also.???

[MR Tool]

I saw alot of humor in the video. I was laughing and enjoying it. Then Hitler.

Look, I know alot of people that built and used the old army jeeps during WWII, many (a few thousand) are my neighbors. They are old and retired and don't wheel or use the internet.

My pride may have something to do with it, but I feel as a Jeep owner who lives 3 miles from the Jeep plant, and is a WWII veterans grandson, who happens to use a Rubicon as a DD and happens to be a history (especially WWII) enthusiast, and has been walking on rocks since about 3yrs old,
That it is my duty to say/do something.

I may have taken it a little more personal than most. I'll get over it.

I get the point of the video. And I'm sorry that people rib H2's. But respect is MY point.

I still have no problems with whatever you wheel, I would like to see more H2 on the trails, and imagine that I will see some people from this board on the trails someday.

I have read this board before, and know what you guys are about. Really not much different than the rest of us web-wheelers, you just have H2's.

You get the sterotype because of all the bling, and we all know there is even a lower percantage of people that wheel thier H2 as compared to Jeeps.

so here is the sterotype facts fo me

I am not a "Brand loyalist" ( well a little, it's my local economy)
I prefer a Jeep because:
It snows here.
I can take top off.
I can take doors off.
The engineers get alot of good ideas to production. (and yes some bad ones)
They are generally easy to fix. (I work on all my own junk)
If all hell breaks looks on this planet and I survive with a full tank of gas, my long term survival chances are better than someone without one.

blah blah blah..and I can afford a H2 if I wanted one.

[DrMoab]

To question IS to judge. To ask a question is something totally different and you were in no way simply doing that. Don't even try to pretend.
What the hell are you talking about? To question is to judge???
I DID ask a question. I heard a rumor and wanted to know if it was true. Someone said it wasn't you guys and that it was a group of H1 guys. Fine! Thats all I wanted to know.

You....seriously need to lighten up man...I came over here with the same light hearted attitude that you guys had with your little video.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
You....seriously need to lighten up man... Ummmm....... dude...... me be thinking you need to take your own advice there buddy.

[DennisAJC]

OK EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOUR DOING!!!!!!

Turn to the person next to you,

Now place your hand between their legs and rub.

Now grab them and kiss deeply.....


I don't know about you guys, but my wife enjoyed that. Just hope you're not sitting next to your moms. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[h2co-pilot]

Dennis, Kenny's not here...is it okay to rub myself............ while looking at Muh-Hum's picture? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just kidding Muh-Hum, but you are a movie star now so you have to get used to it. I'll just touch it a little. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

GAWD DAMN!!!!!!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[h2co-pilot]

Tee-hee, I'm a nawty little girl. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

For those that are upset by Hitler in the Jeep, lighten up, google hitler images and it shows up. He just used it and I think it is funny- Just like the video. So you can flame me for it or whatever...I'm game and I have cramps. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

In fact, I think the video spreading like wildfire has actually helped communication and definitely promoted the fact that some H2ers wheel and have a sense of humor about being picked on.

[MR Tool]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Tee-hee, I'm a nawty little girl. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

For those that are upset by Hitler in the Jeep, lighten up, google hitler images and it shows up. He just used it and I think it is funny- Just like the video. So you can flame me for it or whatever...I'm game and I have cramps. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

In fact, I think the video spreading like wildfire has actually helped communication and definitely promoted the fact that some H2ers wheel and have a sense of humor about being picked on.

Well there you have it. I thought the producer did the shot. While he did photochop the Jeep on the newspaper, I took that as Jeep now being a German co.

I believe that you guys have exceeded your expectations with the video. Pretty decent ruffling of feathers for the kiddies in Jeeps.

I have also seen a few of my jeepers have come over to congatulate you. They are the Majority. The boards I frequent are the not so popular ones, little more homegrown, lot better quality.
We weed out the idiots...lol ok maybe not all of them, and try to teach the kids how to keep places for us to wheel open.

I believe if you were to find some of these boards, you will find more trail companions.

I personally have only seen 2 off road. In the paking lot at Paragon. (all day???) and 1 at badlands, and this guy was out of his H2 (parked in clearing off trail) using hedgers on the trail we were running. We did get a big kick out that one.

And as long as you don't mind some "pinstriping" and dents, and me ribbing you and your IFS and wide and heavy ride then I will wheel with you anytime. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[h2co-pilot]

Paragon is fun. Hedgers!? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif- we don't need no stinking hedgers..we have magnetic skins! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Still a little anal 'cause it's so purty. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I know some of us are going there on the 20th of Aug. and would love to have you come with.(If you can hang. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Paragon is fun. Thanks, I enjoyed myself too. You're fun fun also, I must say. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by MR Tool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Tee-hee, I'm a nawty little girl. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

For those that are upset by Hitler in the Jeep, lighten up, google hitler images and it shows up. He just used it and I think it is funny- Just like the video. So you can flame me for it or whatever...I'm game and I have cramps. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

In fact, I think the video spreading like wildfire has actually helped communication and definitely promoted the fact that some H2ers wheel and have a sense of humor about being picked on.

Well there you have it. I thought the producer did the shot. While he did photochop the Jeep on the newspaper, I took that as Jeep now being a German co.

I believe that you guys have exceeded your expectations with the video. Pretty decent ruffling of feathers for the kiddies in Jeeps.

I have also seen a few of my jeepers have come over to congatulate you. They are the Majority. The boards I frequent are the not so popular ones, little more homegrown, lot better quality.
We weed out the idiots...lol ok maybe not all of them, and try to teach the kids how to keep places for us to wheel open.

I believe if you were to find some of these boards, you will find more trail companions.

I personally have only seen 2 off road. In the paking lot at Paragon. (all day???) and 1 at badlands, and this guy was out of his H2 (parked in clearing off trail) using hedgers on the trail we were running. We did get a big kick out that one.

And as long as you don't mind some "pinstriping" and dents, and me ribbing you and your IFS and wide and heavy ride then I will wheel with you anytime. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You gotta come to Moab with us then. It's a blast. Afterwards we get hammered! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Do you Karaoke??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MR Tool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Tee-hee, I'm a nawty little girl. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

For those that are upset by Hitler in the Jeep, lighten up, google hitler images and it shows up. He just used it and I think it is funny- Just like the video. So you can flame me for it or whatever...I'm game and I have cramps. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

In fact, I think the video spreading like wildfire has actually helped communication and definitely promoted the fact that some H2ers wheel and have a sense of humor about being picked on.

Well there you have it. I thought the producer did the shot. While he did photochop the Jeep on the newspaper, I took that as Jeep now being a German co.

I believe that you guys have exceeded your expectations with the video. Pretty decent ruffling of feathers for the kiddies in Jeeps.

I have also seen a few of my jeepers have come over to congatulate you. They are the Majority. The boards I frequent are the not so popular ones, little more homegrown, lot better quality.
We weed out the idiots...lol ok maybe not all of them, and try to teach the kids how to keep places for us to wheel open.

I believe if you were to find some of these boards, you will find more trail companions.

I personally have only seen 2 off road. In the paking lot at Paragon. (all day???) and 1 at badlands, and this guy was out of his H2 (parked in clearing off trail) using hedgers on the trail we were running. We did get a big kick out that one.

And as long as you don't mind some "pinstriping" and dents, and me ribbing you and your IFS and wide and heavy ride then I will wheel with you anytime. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You gotta come to Moab with us then. It's a blast. Afterwards we get hammered! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Do you Karaoke??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, you really need to go to Moab with us. We can all help flip you back over after you endo.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif(Hopefully you won't)

[ROX]

Dennis! Great Video! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif you sure know how to stir the pot!
LMAO! I'm sick of hearing it too. And to tell you the truth, taking an H2 on Jeep trails is hard! Jeeps are skinny and an H2 needs to be finnessed around the obstacles ESPECIALLY because of the paint job. (unless you have a disposable car) I liked it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[pirate cralwer]

DennisAJC
nice vid,Hmmm you do a very good job at editing , serveral of those clips do not show how many times it really took for that h2 get up the Escalator, in the actual vid it took him like 30 tries to make it up the first part.on the part where it shows the BLAZER going down loin's back? you left out where they had lost their brakes which is what caused them to lose control, nice making fun of someones misfortune, class act right there guy.Hummers pulling jeeps? nice pic but what about this one that you forgot about?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53419 or this one of a turtle http://www.krawlr.com/random/DSCN0037a.jpg

If your going to do a video, do one that does justice to the sport, not one making fun of someone elses mis-fortunes.

all this video is going to do is create more hate and discontent amoung the every, Its bad enough as it is.

hopefully this post won't get deleted but will serve as a reminder not to look down on others.

To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">DennisAJC
nice vid,Hmmm you do a very good job at editing , serveral of those clips do not show how many times it really took for that h2 get up the Escalator, in the actual vid it took him like 30 tries to make it up the first part.on the part where it shows the BLAZER going down loin's back? you left out where they had lost their brakes which is what caused them to lose control, nice making fun of someones misfortune, class act right there guy.Hummers pulling jeeps? nice pic but what about this one that you forgot about?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53419 or this one of a turtle http://www.krawlr.com/random/DSCN0037a.jpg

If your going to do a video, do one that does justice to the sport, not one making fun of someone elses mis-fortunes.

all this video is going to do is create more hate and discontent amoung the every, Its bad enough as it is.

hopefully this post won't get deleted but will serve as a reminder not to look down on others.

To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Pirate Crawler,

I will respond to you the way some Jeepers have talked to us over the years.


NO, NO, NO, I will NOT be educated! I'm closing my ears to you and asses the Jeep the way I see fit.


-The Liberty, TJ,YJ ALL share the same parts and frame as indicated in the video.

-Jeep is German owned.

-Countries like Iraq use Jeep.

-You all work at Burger Joints.

-Stay at the Mall and Bling your ride, that's what Jeeps are for.

Some of these are not true mind you, but the general public doesn't know that. They'll believe what I tell them because I can. I can spread misinformation about the Jeep as good or better than you guys can about the H2.


The video is designed to make you feel and react the way we've felt and reacted over the years being H2 owners.


I'm glad you enjoyed my video.


MORE TO COME.....

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:

nice vid,Hmmm you do a very good job at editing , serveral of those clips do not show how many times it really took for that h2 get up the Escalator, in the actual vid it took him like 30 tries to make it up the first part.on the part where it shows the BLAZER going down loin's back? you left out where they had lost their brakes which is what caused them to lose control, nice making fun of someones misfortune, class act right there guy.Hummers pulling jeeps? nice pic but what about this one that you forgot about? H2 on Escalator. Hmmmm. Let's see there is 2 other videos that show it making it from beginning to end. Now why when I watched those two videos that have no editing done during the climb does it contradict with your "30 tries" lie.

"loin's back." Ever heard of a Freudian Slip?

Well, I am tired and would pick at the other stupid things in your post but the fact that you couldn't even spell your forum name correctly, well, that just says it all doesn't it.

[pirate cralwer]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
hopefully this post won't get deleted

It wont, I had to preserve yet another moron posting, you apparently can't see this was a joke http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/QUOTE]

thanks for not delete, but as to your name calling, thanks for letting me know that your still in the 6th grade.

If you think your ready to show your H2 is ready for the off-road and mature enough to go with grown ups,and can also clean-up after yourself,{taking everything that you brought with you out with you,this includes your used toilet paper.} then join us here and respond to post #9 in this thread if not then please go ask your teacher for a recess pass, go play in the sandbox with your hot wheels.

Post #9
I've also welcomed the folks from the forum that made that vid to join a group of TJ's and try and keep up.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378116

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
thanks for not delete, but as to your name calling, thanks for letting me know that your still in the 6th grade.

If you think your ready to show your H2 is ready for the off-road and mature enough to go with grown ups,and can also clean-up after yourself,{taking everything that you brought with you out with you,this includes your used toilet paper.} then join us here and respond to post #9 in this thread if not then please go ask your teacher for a recess pass, go play in the sandbox with your hot wheels.

Post #9
I've also welcomed the folks from the forum that made that vid to join a group of TJ's and try and keep up.
English is your 27th language isn't it?

[pirate cralwer]

English is your 27th language isn't it?

no its not i'll remember to use a spell check when I reply to you okay?....and if this is your attempt at baiting...

next....

[DennisAJC]

I must warn you pirate,

You've entered possibly the ONLY Forum where NO outsider has ever Trolled successfully. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NEVER...

That being said, you should just turn around and let youself out. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">English is your 27th language isn't it?

no its not i'll remember to use a spell check when I reply to you okay?....and if this is your attempt at baiting...

next.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Huh?

Sport, correcting your spelling is the least of your worries when it comes to this thing we call a language. And if I was going to be "baiting" for the likes of you, I would be using Gerber's Graduate's Lil' Entrees.
http://www.gerber.com/content/usa/assets/toddlersite/food/images/lil_top_left.jpg

(Hahahahah, I make myself laugh) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[pirate cralwer]

Cute joke, but good none the less

[/QUOTE]Huh?

Sport, correcting your spelling is the least of your worries when it comes to this thing we call a language. And if I was going to be "baiting" for the likes of you, I would be using Gerber's Graduate's Lil' Entrees.
http://www.gerber.com/content/usa/assets/toddlersite/food/images/lil_top_left.jpg

(Hahahahah, I make myself laugh) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/QUOTE]

[Libicon]

Hitler? Yikes...you are treading on some dangerous ground there. There's room enough for all types of vehicles on the trails, but this is a horrible vid due to the non-wheeling sh!t at the end. Where's your respect for our soldiers that fought against these guys. This is just disrespectful in so many ways. My guess is that GM and DC will be giving you a call as neither would want any association with this.

On a more technical note, the only thing that struck me is how little flex those H2s have. The rest is just opportunistic videos and pics that could have just as easily been H2s rolling, getting stuck, etc. When you wheel hard (in any vehicle) this type of stuff happens. Until now I hadn't judged the H2s or their owners...way to go. You aren't disproving your critics, but you are creating more.

[Marcmedic]

Allow me to be the first to say GFY!!! Take your liberal "I'm so offended" crap somewhere else. IT WAS A JOKE!!!

[pirate cralwer]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I must warn you pirate,

You've entered possibly the ONLY Forum where NO outsider has ever Trolled successfully. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NEVER...

That being said, you should just turn around and let youself out. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

hmmm sounds like a challage to me, but this is not my reason for being here

I'm still looking for a response to post # 9?

[h2co-pilot]

What was post #9 please?

[h2co-pilot]

Alec stop posting at the same time as me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Answer me, I was nicer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[pirate cralwer]

Originally posted by Libicon:
. Until now I hadn't judged the H2s or their owners...way to go. You aren't disproving your critics, but you are creating more.

Hmmm It seems that i'm not alone in my opinion. very well said libicon but becareful of voicing the truth here

[pirate cralwer]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
What was post #9 please?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378116 scroll down to post nine, and skip the other b.s replies , they are a good bunch to wheel with....epecially when your in a jam.

[h2co-pilot]

It was a joke- I repeat - It was a joke!

You guys seriously need to lighten up. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[frank6150]

Originally posted by Libicon:
I eat my own poop. That is all.

[h2co-pilot]

Thank you!

Okay,

Question 1- is McCracken's first name Phil. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

#2- We wheel with Jeeps all the time. When and where did you submit your invitation? And for what trail(s). Please.

#3- Are you the weiner mobile guy?

[PARAGON]

CP tell Ken to check his email please

[h2co-pilot]

K. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[hoss75]

OK, let me start off by saying that I can sympathize with all of you as I wheel with a Jeep Liberty. So I know how you can get harassed both on the trail and on the web. I also must admit that I didn't realize that people actually wheeled with the H2.

I first came across this video on the premiere Jeep Liberty Owners forum (http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/). I viewed the video and was a little annoyed at first by the attitude shown in the video, but also impressed with the wheeling shots of the H2. I then followed the link at the end of the video and came to this site. I've spent the last hour or so reading all of the posts here and I have come to understand the ideas behind this video. The problem is, this video is spreading like rapid fire and is going to be the first glimpse of the H2 wheeling community for many, many people; most of whom probably will not bother to come to this site and read this thread in its entirety. Instead they might think that the video represents the attitude of the H2 wheeling community, which it clearly does not (for most of you at least ... I have suspicions about one or two who shall remain nameless, but every group has its 10%).

So, for your community, this video may be a double edged sword. It will hopefully open more eyes to the capabilities and wheeling community of the H2, but it could also stir up allot of bad energy if it's taken in the wrong way (which is easy to do).

<step up on soap box>Personally, my one objection to it are the shots of Hitler and Hussein. This, to me, shows a blatant disrespect to all our Armed Forces who have given life and limb to remove these dictators from power. It was in bad taste, and I am not a person who is easily offended; parody and satire are fine, but this went to far IMHO.</soapbox off>

Anyway, for me at least, my eyes have been opened and I hope I get the chance to wheel with some of you soon (I'm near Pittsburgh, Pa)... Maybe I can make the Aug. 20th Paragon run, I've been itching to get back there, my last time there I was still bone stock.

Thanks for reading,

Hoss

P.S.
If anyone is interested here’s a link to my cardomain site: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/782559

[h2co-pilot]

Originally posted by frank6150:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Libicon:
I eat my own poop. That is all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[pirate cralwer]

you want my email addy ? well just pm me for it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[pirate cralwer]

Hey h2co, just log on and post up or read when the next git together is, wheelin is about treading lightly and having fun.

[h2co-pilot]

Who's Addy? What the hell is going on here?

Can't you guys get a representitive or Jeep Embassador or something, this is getting really old having to explain and console every one of you. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DennisAJC]

So tired of explaining along with my fellow H2ers, I'll just cut and paste my response.

I will respond to you the way some Jeepers have talked to us over the years.


NO, NO, NO, I will NOT be educated! I'm closing my ears to you and assess the Jeep the way I see fit.


-The Liberty, TJ,YJ ALL share the same parts and frame as indicated in the video.

-Jeep is German owned.

-Countries like Iraq use Jeep.

-You all work at Burger Joints.

-Stay at the Mall and Bling your ride, that's what Jeeps are for.

Some of these are not true mind you, but the general public doesn't know that. They'll believe what I tell them because I can. I can spread misinformation about the Jeep as good or better than you guys can about the H2.


The video is designed to make you feel and react the way we've felt and reacted over the years being H2 owners.


I'm glad you enjoyed my video.


MORE TO COME.....

[timgco]

WOW- I was out of State since Wed. and just read this entire thread. OMG, ILMAO!

But, I have come to a couple of conclusions:
1) Nice vid Dennis.
2) We got a couple of new Jeeper's on our site that are cool. Welcome guys.
3) The rest of the NEWB's are----

SOFA KING WE TODD DID!

[pirate cralwer]

Originally posted by hoss75:
OK, let me start off by saying that I can sympathize with all of you as I wheel with a Jeep Liberty. So I know how you can get harassed both on the trail and on the web. I also must admit that I didn't realize that people actually wheeled with the H2.

I first came across this video on the premiere Jeep Liberty Owners forum (http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/). I viewed the video and was a little annoyed at first by the attitude shown in the video, but also impressed with the wheeling shots of the H2. I then followed the link at the end of the video and came to this site. I've spent the last hour or so reading all of the posts here and I have come to understand the ideas behind this video. The problem is, this video is spreading like rapid fire and is going to be the first glimpse of the H2 wheeling community for many, many people; most of whom probably will not bother to come to this site and read this thread in its entirety. Instead they might think that the video represents the attitude of the H2 wheeling community, which it clearly does not (for most of you at least ... I have suspicions about one or two who shall remain nameless, but every group has its 10%).

So, for your community, this video may be a double edged sword. It will hopefully open more eyes to the capabilities and wheeling community of the H2, but it could also stir up allot of bad energy if it's taken in the wrong way (which is easy to do).

<step up on soap box>Personally, my one objection to it are the shots of Hitler and Hussein. This, to me, shows a blatant disrespect to all our Armed Forces who have given life and limb to remove these dictators from power. It was in bad taste, and I am not a person who is easily offended; parody and satire are fine, but this went to far IMHO.</soapbox off>

Anyway, for me at least, my eyes have been opened and I hope I get the chance to wheel with some of you soon (I'm near Pittsburgh, Pa)... Maybe I can make the Aug. 20th Paragon run, I've been itching to get back there, my last time there I was still bone stock.

Thanks for reading,

Hoss

P.S.
If anyone is interested here’s a link to my cardomain site: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/782559

great post hoss, {nice user name btw} so many of the guy's here got there belts alittle to tight, and yea some of the posts on other boards go to far, you have ignore the bs in them, to me I would love to see a h2 and a h3 get some real mud on them and maybe a few bumps along the way, a little rubbin never hurt anyone.

[PARAGON]

Get the **** off of the our soldiers ****. I served this county in the United States Marine Corps. I have had about my fill of sidesteppers trying to use this as their own cross to bear just because they got their panties in a wad over something. Get the hell over it. The person who made the video is not an American. He did not go to american schools and did not serve in any of our Armed Forces. You tweedle-dums are making more out of the pictures he used becuase you should know better and should understand their meaning in the context of the video. None of you who have even mentioned Hitler in a Jeep has even had the balls to say what your problem with it is. You side-step it and push it off on our poor soldiers "over their" fighting. Screw that. Those sumbitches don't want to hear your whining and don't want you using them as your little pattycakes for hedging your weakened egos. ****, I imagine a bunch of them have seen the video and have laughed their ass off at it.

I know my 78 year old neighbor who served in WWII as a grunt sure did.

Tell you what, you go whine and bitch over in your little forums and leave it at that otherwise it will just get worse. We are grownups, we even have driver's licenses and were able to buy our trucks and can take responsibility for our actions and don't need idiots who can't speak the English language or even worry with accurate details preaching to us what we should be doing, thinking or saying.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
nice vid,Hmmm you do a very good job at editing , serveral of those clips do not show how many times it really took for that h2 get up the Escalator, in the actual vid it took him like 30 tries to make it up the first part.If your going to do a video, do one that does justice to the sport, not one making fun of someone elses mis-fortunes.

all this video is going to do is create more hate and discontent amoung the every, Its bad enough as it is.

hopefully this post won't get deleted but will serve as a reminder not to look down on others.

To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.

Too bad you can't count. But it's no big surprise.

If you're from Pirate them you're probably one of the many asshats that gets tiny wood from looking at pics & vids of the misfortune of others.

Who are the "every"?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Alec W:
I came to a couple of conclusions too.

1). I forgot how much I like the Scorps (yeah I am old)
2). Ummmm.....
3). Errrrr...
4). The H2 guys that wheel have been shunned and made fun off on the web since 2002. It's 2005 guys (that's 3 years for the Jeepers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) personally I gave up trying to be a part of general wheeling sites in 2003.
5). Errr. 2). 3). and 5). clears it all up for me. I was so confused by that language thing. Thanks Alec.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
you want my email addy ? well just pm me for it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Who the hell are you talking too. Do you realize you are still on the computer, on the internet? Is addy your imaginary friend?

Hello addy? How are you doing this fine evening? Nice to meet you too.

[pirate cralwer]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.

Too bad you can't count. But it's no big surprise.

If you're from Pirate them you're probably one of the many asshats that gets tiny wood from looking at pics & vids of the misfortune of others.
[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you said "probably" cause that means that there is a chance that i'm not a asshat, go back and read my other postings that you have skipped over, and also other users postings as well.

oh well enough of this, hopefully some of you will be out on the trails, I look forward to it.

The invited still stands, and hopefully the next vid will be one without the bs in it.

[RasterMaster]

Damn! I think I need to watch that video...again! Dennis, please make the next installment to be even more hilariously in bad taste so we can have another 50 trolls in 2 days.

The entertainment value alone has been priceless!

[timgco]

Originally posted by Alec W:
I came to a couple of conclusions too.

1). I forgot how much I like the Scorps (yeah I am old)
2). Ummmm.....
3). Errrrr...
4). The H2 guys that wheel have been shunned and made fun off on the web since 2002. It's 2005 guys (that's 3 years for the Jeepers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) personally I gave up trying to be a part of general wheeling sites in 2003.
5). Errr.

6) I MISS DENNIS!
7) Canadian's are funny too.
8) Don't piss off Paragon!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
9) The guy in the vid (Potato Salad hill)who's filming on the RH SD looks like he has boobs in that shot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
10)LB scares the hell out of me even more.
11) Dennis really does prefer my Pewter rig over the Desert Sand one. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
12) I should have made this into seperate posts so it took longer to read.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.<span class="ev_code_RED">I didn't say that, asswipe. But it is nice of you. </span>

Too bad you can't count. But it's no big surprise.

If you're from Pirate them you're probably one of the many asshats that gets tiny wood from looking at pics & vids of the misfortune of others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm glad you said "probably" cause that means that there is a chance that i'm not a asshat<span class="ev_code_RED">(You are.) </span>, go back and read my other postings that you have skipped over, and also other users postings as well.<span class="ev_code_RED">(No time. Must locate porn.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) </span>

oh well enough of this, hopefully some of you will be out on the trails, I look forward to it.<span class="ev_code_RED">Look up- we'll be at the top of the trails.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </span>

The invited still stands, and hopefully the next vid will be one without the bs in it.<span class="ev_code_RED">(Hopefully, there'll be even MORE BS in the next one so you fawkers can see how we feel.) </span>[/QUOTE]

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by timgco:
6) I MISS DENNIS!
7) Canadian's are funny too.
8) Don't piss off Paragon!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
9) The guy in the vid (Potato Salad hill)who's filming on the RH SD looks like he has boobs in that shot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
10)LB scares the hell out of me even more.
11) Dennis really does prefer my Pewter rig over the Desert Sand one. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
12) I should have made this into seperate posts so it took longer to read.


I miss your Pewter too Tim........ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can't wait to see you and Kira again. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
6) I MISS DENNIS!
7) Canadian's are funny too.
8) Don't piss off Paragon!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
9) The guy in the vid (Potato Salad hill)who's filming on the RH SD looks like he has boobs in that shot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
10)LB scares the hell out of me even more.
11) Dennis really does prefer my Pewter rig over the Desert Sand one. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
12) I should have made this into seperate posts so it took longer to read.


I miss your Pewter too Tim........ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can't wait to see you and Kira again. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You two remind me of another gay couple.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DennisAJC]

I miss you too DRTY my American blumpkin. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I miss you too DRTY my American blumpkin. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Weasel]

pirate, you any good at playing the flute, I hear there may be a band that needs one.

as for the rest of the crap:

Yeah so the viseo was a joke but your execution was off and most of the hardcore guys think your idiots. I don't think thats how it was suppost to come out. Any these are the guys that usually will wheel with anyone unless they are dumbasses.

Props to you guys that do wheel, but in all honesty they won't work very well in the Black Hills cause your not gonna fit. Definatly look me up if you wanna try it though.

And this stock vs. sotck crap has got to stop. Stock to stock compares really don't mean crap. Unless you have the same equipment its pointless to compare anything side by side. Your H@ cost quite a bit more then most anyother vehicle and come equiped with quite a bit morethen a factory vehicle so it would be assumed it might wheel a bit better. Start spending the same money on the other vehicles as an H@ and everything starts to become a more lvel playing field and you can compare aplles to appples. 35+k in a Sammi, will yield a very baddass 4x4.

Anyways back to the point, I realy don't think the vid helped you guys and your cuase to be more excepted in the 4 wheeling community. Someone already mentioned everyone looks away when they show up on the trails, welll this doesn't help, joke or not. If you want to know a little secret the any wheeler that a jerk gets the same treatment, it's not the brand you drive it's the driver.

oh and heres a pic. mostly stock XJ, 31's 5" of lift(still lower then most other vehicles), no lockers. On lime is up against the wall and over the rock hump on the drivers side. Farther to the left maybe four feet is another rock wall. So you can't go around it or to the left at all. Well not unless you like roof rock rash.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/862678/XJ_10_small.jpg

same from the front

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=152512

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Weasel:
35+k in a Sammi, will yield a very baddass 4x4.



And it will probably look really nice getting trailered everywhere, too.
Nice Jeep pic, though. Bet it rides even better than an H2 on the road, right?http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

We're tired of the ****. Now we're dishing some of it back.

[DennisAJC]

Weasel,

I understand some of your points. Well put.

But if you have a group slammin you for months or years, don't you think we were justified to push back? Should we sit there another 3 years and hear the same **** over again?

Understandable there are alot of good people like yourself and a handful of idiots. But unless you guys do some policing(Which you won't do to your own.) We have to knowing full well it's going to offend in order to get our message out.

We're an extremely friendly bunch. But everyone has a breaking point.

[Weasel]

depend on what I'm driving down, does pretty well bajaing through the badlands, on the street it rides rough just like I like it, but I don't have your fancy front suspension either.

some get trailered some get driven.

It your guys battle not mine, so have at it, all I'm saying it this isn't gonna help. This isn't the way to get people to like you. Oh and you guys aren't the only ones that get crap, the Jeep guys get just as much of it cause we suffer from the same problem as you do, too many yuppies driving their stock whatevers around thinking they are badazz. You have no idea how bad I wanna smack some of them with a 2x4 everytime I see the Jeep thing on a stock TJ or XJ, or the roll me over.

[RasterMaster]

Dennis,

Your karma has got to change....I think our "multitudes" of site moderators should create a special title for yourself, Alec, Paragon & DRTY:

OFFICIAL TROLL HUNTER

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Weasel:
depend on what I'm driving down, does pretty well bajaing through the badlands, on the street it rides rough just like I like it, but I don't have your fancy front suspension either.

some get trailered some get driven.

It your guys battle not mine, so have at it, all I'm saying it this isn't gonna help. This isn't the way to get people to like you. Oh and you guys aren't the only ones that get crap, the Jeep guys get just as much of it cause we suffer from the same problem as you do, too many yuppies driving their stock whatevers around thinking they are badazz. You have no idea how bad I wanna smack some of them with a 2x4 everytime I see the Jeep thing on a stock TJ or XJ, or the roll me over.

And we're supposed to lay down like the French for the Germans to get others in the wheeling community to like us??? I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.

[HeimenHummer]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Weasel,

I understand some of your points. Well put.

But if you have a group slammin you for months or years, don't you think we were justified to push back? Should we sit there another 3 years and hear the same **** over again?

Understandable there are alot of good people like yourself and a handful of idiots. But unless you guys do some policing(Which you won't do to your own.) We have to knowing full well it's going to offend in order to get our message out.

We're an extremely friendly bunch. But everyone has a breaking point.

Damn Dennis that's good.

If they can't agree to that, then they can gfthemselves.

Nice sigg btw.

[Weasel]

quit caring and wheel, I get all kinds of loks or smart remarks over my grociery getter. After I outdrive them in my little jeep they tend to shup up.

Doesn't mean be dicks about it though. Yu gotta represent the side you want people to see.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Weasel:
quit caring and wheel, I get all kinds of loks or smart remarks over my grociery getter. After I outdrive them in my little jeep they tend to shup up.

Doesn't mean be dicks about it though. Yu gotta represent the side you want people to see.

Most of us don't care and we do wheel.

[Weasel]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.


ok cool, so if you don't care what others think or say then whats the point of posting? ignore the other idiots and go wheel.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Weasel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.


ok cool, so if you don't care what others think or say then whats the point of posting? ignore the other idiots and go wheel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so I might care a little bit.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Plus, it's fun to give trolls a choice of 2 *******s to use.

[KenP]

Originally posted by Weasel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.


ok cool, so if you don't care what others think or say then whats the point of posting? ignore the other idiots and go wheel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>At least you have a brain. And thanks to the other jpers that have shown they have one too.

As for the rest of you, GFY. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by KenP:
As for the rest of you, GFY. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

What the hell did I ever do to you???? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
As for the rest of you, GFY. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

What the hell did I ever do to you???? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I just felt like typing it. Now GFY! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Weasel]

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Weasel:
The other evil - H2
Fixed: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah nice, now you have a reason to get rid of the plastic crap on the rear bumper.

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

LOL, great video!

I think the FUNNIEST part is you H2 drivers actually believe it! Its apparent money does not buy intelligence!

Here are a couple good links for you all:

Typical H2 (http://web1.servforce.com/%7Ecj8/index.html)

http://www.kf6nvr.net/blog/archives/images/h2_mod-thumb.JPG

H2 = All bling, no bang!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Apparently you forget Jeep was the original army vehicle for the US forces. Only a moron would put Hitler in one....oh wait sorry, someone did already.

Didnt realize H2 owners had such thin skin, can dish it out but cant take a light hearted poke back in fun.

Oh well, after you are done getting your nails done and finish your solon appointment, we'll all meet up on the trail and do some wheeling, and have a good time!

H2 crash (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=197600&stc=1)

ps. I, too love Chevrolet (French name?) Tahoe's also.....for getting groceries! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Damn!

Did that poor rig get caught in an episode of Pimp My Ride or what?

As for cost, since I have 2 Rubicons sitting outsite, both in various stages of being built (about 70k between them both) and also 2 super duty 4x4's sitting next to them (another 60k or so, Im pretty sure I could afford a few H2s if I wanted. But.....I dont wanna! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Sweet moped!

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Hummer-H2-SUT-FA-Mirage-1600x1200.jpg

BLING!

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
Sweet moped!
BLING!

LOL! Thanks dummy. That's actually a thing of beauty. You've actually contributed something good.

Just saved image. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

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And my favorite:

H2 stuck on the imfamous "Mall-Curb!"
http://ascm.chez.tiscali.fr/USA/USA%202003/Images/030503/30%20Hummer%20H2.JPG


See the trend here? BLING BLING BLING....but they are all on pavement! I dont know, perhaps Im strange, but Id be embarrassed if my 4x4 was the cover car of IMPORT TUNERS!

[Ed G.]

Hey, 2 Pewbs are better than none -

I've owned 7 Jeeps over the years 2 WJ'S,1 XJ,1 ZJ,2 YJ'S AND 1 TJ.To wheel any of them I had to mod the **** out of them. In stock form they are for beaches with no sand or young girls. I suspect that's why you are modding both of your "mighty" Rubicons. So quit the bull**** and GFY!!!

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
LOL, great video!

I think the FUNNIEST part is you H2 drivers actually believe it! Its apparent money does not buy intelligence!

Here are a couple good links for you all:

H2 = All bling, no bang!


Painful but true fact....

Intelligence is Saddam investing millions to fortify his army with JEEPS.

You trying to hurt our feelings????? We're capable of doing the same.

Just when things were going well, we get a brain fart making it worst.

And don't go all patriotic on us because you're doing a great job bashing an AMERICAN MADE rig Kaiser lover.

[DennisAJC]

LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

We got plenty here....

[DennisAJC]

Ever wonder why SADDAM lost the war??????

And NO it's not photochopped.

It's common knowledge his military drove JEEPS.

THANK ALLAH! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[frank6150]

Oh damn I didn't know we were back to sharing pics again. I think I can sift a few out...

[frank6150]

That sure was some extreme mud that guy was stuck in... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Not even deep enough to suck your damn shoe off.

This guy is extreme as well. What a ****ing retard.

[frank6150]

Jeep will rule joo!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
Apparently you forget Jeep was the original army vehicle for the US forces. Only a moron would put Hitler in one....oh wait sorry, someone did already. Dude, you need to learn the history of your vehicle if you are going to try to talk about it. Jeep was not the original army vehicle.

The vehicle Willys was a farm vehicle. It pulled plows, haying equipment, etc but was then marketed to the Army when the Army was looking for a new GP vehicle. The Army's first GP vehicle was in the early teens by the way, about 30 years before the introduction of the Willys Jeep.

Also, since the '20s the Army referred to any new vehicle it tested as JEEP. In the '30s there were all kinds of tracked vehicles, wheeled vehicles as well as planes that referred to as JEEP. It was just a name they placed on everything.

Also, in the '40s who do you think built all of those Jeeps. Ford, GM, Willys, and other contractors all built the same vehicle. So, with all that said, STFU.

[PARAGON]

For you stupid Jeepers that still don't get it because you can't see past the ignorance blinding you. Here is where the picture of Hitler in the Jeep probably originally came from. A British site, as in British humor. Hell if the Brits can laugh about Hitler and be Ok with it you dopes can chill.

http://www.willys-mb.co.uk/famous.htm

As far as Saddam Hussein in a Jeep. I'll be, heck that wasn't done by Dennis either. He must have found that one too: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russell.grimble/jeep-images/saddamjeep.gif

[CLAYDOG]

Ok, who broke the server? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif The video doesn't want to play any more.

[PARAGON]

Let's get some things straight here. I don't know where this notion that H2 owners are somehow noobies to wheeling came from but, guys, wake up. Yes, there are people that bought the H2 and only drive them on the paved road but there are 50 times more Jeeps doing the same duty, so give it a rest.

Now we have idiots from rock crawling websites coming here to tell us how we should act, what our rigs can or can't do, etc. We've been bashed since before we actually took delivery of the vehicle. Idiots that haven't even seen one in person yet was telling us what they were made of, could and couldn't do, etc. Well, one intrepid H2 owner exacts a little payback, a little tit for tat if you will and now somehow we should have been more mature, should have known better, should not have stooped to their level. Cry me a river. H2 owners are part of the off-road community, like it or not. We are good wards of said community just as we were when we were wheeling our Jeeps, Tacos, Land Bruisers or whatever we had before the H2 came along. No one ever claimed the H2 as an extreme rock crawler.

As a matter of fact. Why don't you yahoos try wheeling a truck that you care about and don't want to get dented and scratched to heck and back. No, every single complainer has said something about the cost of the H2. Well, we know how much they cost and don't particular care to get it banged to hell and having to replace diffs, axles, t-cases, etc. While I am sure many of you won't get it, but it is much easier to have a rig where you can just go bang around and not worry about sliding it round a rock or rolling it over. All you have to do is go to the scrap heap, get some more metal and weld it back, rattle can it and be done.

We have to drive with a little more finesse, attempting to conquer obstacles and leave the trail without damage. To us, a dent is not a badge of honor. It's a different kind of wheeling and one many more people subscribe to than you self-proclaimed expert rock crawlers. The majority of wheelers wheel their daily drivers and are not fond of banging them up. We're no different. So, sit down and STFU. When we need your opinion, we'll come over to one of your websites and ask for it.

[BlueTJCO]

wow, this **** is really starting to become lame to read. Everywhere I go people are talking about it, and bitching.......My Jeeps better, no H2's suck, no Jeeps suck, no H2's suck, yada ****ing yada yada yada..........

So, anyone have any good, naked pictures of their wifes they would like to PM me? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[NJ H2]

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[timgco]

Some JEEPers can be such asshats.
Yeterday Kira was in the gas station filling up the H3 and this guy pulls into the station to fill up in a lifted Jeep. she said it had about a 4" with 33's and chrome rims. Not a single scratch on the rig anywhere. It looked good I'm sure. That's all that was done to it. The guys drives up next to her and gives her the thumbs down. What a ****! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif She laughed it off and asked him if he actually takes that "thing" off road and rolled her eyes. What a typical Jeep owner. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif When I had my WJ lifted, I had gotten the same thing from the "hard core" Jeepers that I was driving a soccer mom rig. Great attitude over there.
GLAD WE OWN HUMMERS! (two to be exact).
PEWTER POWER! Oh, sorry, only one of our mall trucks is pewter. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[HummerNewbie]

What a complete ass. It is one thing to not like a rig, but to drive over to give the thumbs down http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

He must have actually thought that she cared about his opinion or something.

[ROX]

22 pages and all you "ladies" forgot that Willys is the best! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Although it is a little hard to keep going straight down the road, when I get my nails done everyone runs out and says "nice....what is that?" When I drive my Willys everyone is sure to steer clear, cuz I may, or may not, be insured. And I love it the most when the geriactric guys come out and tell me they used to drive one when they were new. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
WILLYS ROCKS! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[BlueTJCO]

Pooh drove an H2...........

[hoss75]

Pargon: Get the **** off of the our soldiers ****. I served this county in the United States Marine Corps. I have had about my fill of sidesteppers trying to use this as their own cross to bear just because they got their panties in a wad over something. Get the hell over it
Paragon, I did my 5 years in the Corps, so don't try to pull that on me. 90% of my first post was positive stuff about you guys. I mention the one thing that I found to have gone to far and that's all you can talk about? T

Paragon: As a matter of fact. Why don't you yahoos try wheeling a truck that you care about and don't want to get dented and scratched to heck and back. No, every single complainer has said something about the cost of the H2. Well, we know how much they cost and don't particular care to get it banged to hell and having to replace diffs, axles, t-cases, etc. While I am sure many of you won't get it, but it is much easier to have a rig where you can just go bang around and not worry about sliding it round a rock or rolling it over. All you have to do is go to the scrap heap, get some more metal and weld it back, rattle can it and be done.

We have to drive with a little more finesse, attempting to conquer obstacles and leave the trail without damage.

There's many many Jeepers who care about damaging are vehicles.. pretty much everyone who wheels a Liberty wants to keep it looking nice, so you're not alone in that boat.

[Benz0]

OK I am new here so what happened to the video?



OH yeah..BTW Jeepforum is gay...

[DennisAJC]

Due to high volume, we are experiencing technical difficulties. Please check back in a few hours. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Benz0]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Due to high volume, we are experiencing technical difficulties. Please check back in a few hours. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ehhh...I will lurk around a bit and see if I find anything else interesting http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Benz0]

Originally posted by Alec W:

I’ll put our version back up later, but if you want a copy before then put an x in front of the file name and download it from the same place.

cool thanks...d'loading now http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[H2Finally]

There is no way no how any other drivers can say "I know how you feel" until they have an FU site dedicated to their rigs (you know, like <span class="ev_code_BLUE">futj.com fuxj.com fuyj.com furubi.com fujeep.com fuyota.com fublazer.com fudisco.com fuchayenne.com futoureg.com</span> etc, etc).

Hell, there aren't even <span class="ev_code_BLUE">fuh1.com fuh3.com</span> http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Us H2 owners & drivers are the sole martyrs http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

But that's okay, 'cause though we are few, we are brave http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif and strong http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif, and passionate! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Sure we don't spend hours modding our rigs (it's perfect when hatched http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif); but we spent hours upon hours every day of every month of every year of our lives defending, educating, and informing-by-example to the big ruthless clueless world out there, why the H2 is the PERFECT American icon of freedom of choice, defending our rights, and even good 'ol capitalism!!

Personally, I couldn't be prouder of Dennis' BRILLIANT slap-in-the-face-wake-up-call of a video. BRAVO!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif PEWTER POWER RULES!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[DennisAJC]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif PEWTER!!!!!!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Benz0]

Originally posted by H2Finally:
There is no way no how any other drivers can say "I know how you feel" until they have an FU site dedicated to their rigs (you know, like <span class="ev_code_BLUE">futj.com fuxj.com fuyj.com furubi.com fujeep.com fuyota.com fublazer.com fudisco.com fuchayenne.com futoureg.com</span> etc, etc).

Hell, there aren't even <span class="ev_code_BLUE">fuh1.com fuh3.com</span> http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Us H2 owners & drivers are the sole martyrs http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

But that's okay, 'cause though we are few, we are brave http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif and strong http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif, and passionate! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Sure we don't spend hours modding our rigs (it's perfect when hatched http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif); but we spent hours upon hours every day of every month of every year of our lives defending, educating, and informing-by-example to the big ruthless clueless world out there, why the H2 is the PERFECT American icon of freedom of choice, defending our rights, and even good 'ol capitalism!!

Personally, I couldn't be prouder of Dennis' BRILLIANT slap-in-the-face-wake-up-call of a video. BRAVO!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif PEWTER POWER RULES!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

tell us how you really feel...come on now don't hold back

you may wanna go check your blood pressure after that post... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by hoss75:
Paragon, I did my 5 years in the Corps, so don't try to pull that on me. 90% of my first post was positive stuff about you guys. I mention the one thing that I found to have gone to far and that's all you can talk about? T Ooh-rah! Nope, you are just the ole straw, you know, the one with the camel. You happened to use a subject that is tired and old on this forum. Too many times it has been used as a token example of why we shouldn't own, drive or do something. You said it was your opinion that it was blatant disrespect. While it's your opinion, I take offense to that because I will take offense anytime someone suggests that I have disrespected a deserving member of our Armed Forces. Using pictures from the internet photochopped by someone else to make a point is not disrespect. It had nothing to do with those who have fought for our country and in no way offended them, it offended Jeep owners, which was the intent. Granted some Vets are Jeep owners and some Vets have smack-talked H2s and us as owners, but to paint the whole thing as being offensive to members of the Armed Forces is simply an attempt to disparage the true intent of it.

Warning of this video was given even before it was made. The maker even said he was going to put together a video to piss the Jeepers off the same way they have been doing to us the past few years. Just admit it, it's not fun when the crosshairs are on you.

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

LMFAO! You guys slay me! Its funny with all these pics posted showing Jeeps stuck, you notice they are all offroad getting stuck.

Where are the follow up pics showing the H2 going thru the same area the jeep got stuck? OH yeah, there are none!

Also, if you calm down and stop acting like 12 year olds throwing high school aged insults, you will see I never said My vehicle will always kick your vehicles ass. Nor did I personally insult any of you. I also never said anyone who is wheeling an H2 is a n00b or does not have experience. You all seemed to fill in those blanks yourselves. But I want to thank all you H2 owners who are acting like spoiled kids for proving my point! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bottom line is the jabs are going back and forth, both on Jeep boards and Hummer boards. And lets be honest its been fun, but apparently SOME of you cant take it.

Anyhow, Id love to wheel with any H2 and go thru the paces to see how they compare and how they ride offroad. I'll be at Rubicon in the end of August and Dusy/Ershim on Labor Day weekend. Is anyone going I can perhaps meet there?

Anyhow, I look forward to your colorful responses! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

See ya folks on the trails!

[geberhard]

Hey Paragon,

Did not get any apologies from ya, you are the one getting off thsi too damn easy, lol http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Originally posted by geberhard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
You don't get off that damn easy. Fine, if you want to quit the crap. I'll quit pushing the buttons, but don't try to continue a lie, here. People here are just not that stupid.

Where do you suppose you got that link to the video? You got the link from pirate. Damn, what difference does it make, and why lie about something so insignificant and simple.

Either keep the trolling so we can continue with the fun or just drop it all.

Paragon,

Sorry to repeat, but you are wrong... The link was from another board... so?

http://www.bayarea4x4.com/forums/index.php?topic=4279.0 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[DennisAJC]

2Rubi you last word freak! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Holy cow, I never thought of it that way, but I suppose you are right! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://images.kodakgallery.com/servlet/Images/photos1302/1/71/48/53/84/5/584534871106_0_BG.jpg
Good to see an H2 being used the correct way for once!

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
LMFAO! You guys slay me! Its funny with all these pics posted showing Jeeps stuck, you notice they are all offroad getting stuck.

Where are the follow up pics showing the H2 going thru the same area the jeep got stuck? OH yeah, there are none!

Also, if you calm down and stop acting like 12 year olds throwing high school aged insults, you will see I never said My vehicle will always kick your vehicles ass. Nor did I personally insult any of you. I also never said anyone who is wheeling an H2 is a n00b or does not have experience. You all seemed to fill in those blanks yourselves. But I want to thank all you H2 owners who are acting like spoiled kids for proving my point! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bottom line is the jabs are going back and forth, both on Jeep boards and Hummer boards. And lets be honest its been fun, but apparently SOME of you cant take it.

Anyhow, Id love to wheel with any H2 and go thru the paces to see how they compare and how they ride offroad. I'll be at Rubicon in the end of August and Dusy/Ershim on Labor Day weekend. Is anyone going I can perhaps meet there?

Anyhow, I look forward to your colorful responses! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

See ya folks on the trails! Do you have a complex? Why in the hell would you assume anyone was talking to you unless they addressed you directly, as I just did by quoting you.

Ok, maybe I am making a mistake. Where did someone say you said "anyone who is wheeling an H2 is a n00b?" Also, what point are you referring to proving.

Oh, and where are all of the follow up pictures of Jeeps following H2s through the obstacles they are completing all over this forum. Yeah, sounds stupid doesn't it.

[DennisAJC]

In some weeeeiiiird sick twisted way, I kinda like that Jeep. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by geberhard:
Hey Paragon,

Did not get any apologies from ya, you are the one getting off thsi too damn easy, lol http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I apologize. There, is that better?

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
Let's get some things straight here. I don't know where this notion that H2 owners are somehow noobies to wheeling came from but, guys, wake up.

Um, you did.

Suggestion for ya Paragon: De-caf

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
In some weeeeiiiird sick twisted way, I kinda like that Jeep. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Not enough slots. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Let's get some things straight here. I don't know where this notion that H2 owners are somehow noobies to wheeling came from but, guys, wake up.

Um, you did.

Suggestion for ya Paragon: De-caf </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you talking to me? I did what?

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

As a matter of fact. Why don't you yahoos try wheeling a truck that you care about and don't want to get dented and scratched to heck and back.

I found this amusing too. I just got my first dent in my drivers side rear quarter panel. I almost cried! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But I put on a set of trail corners to cover up the damage. They make trail corners for H2s yet?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As a matter of fact. Why don't you yahoos try wheeling a truck that you care about and don't want to get dented and scratched to heck and back.

I found this amusing too. I just got my first dent in my drivers side rear quarter panel. I almost cried! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But I put on a set of trail corners to cover up the damage. They make trail corners for H2s yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What's up with all of the narcissistic comments. Are you lonely and want someone to talk to you?

Why do you keep referencing my posts as if they are directed towards you?

And again, I did what?

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

They are all samples of your posts. The earlier one was showing where you posted there was a perception that all H2 drivers we off road noobies, and you later asked where that comment came from. I just was showing you, you made that comment, and if directed at me, I never said you or anyone here was new to offroading.

I see you are a bit sensitive over a few good humored posts. Tucks pads perhaps? But if continuing to try to personally insult me makes you feel better, keep up the good work Tugboat!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

OK, I must admit, this is the first truly trail rated H2:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00021HBZO.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://www.jcphome.com/images/WhiteMountain/HummerStuckHighCenter.jpg
http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/hummer_h2_academy/stuck1.jpg
http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/hummer_h2_academy/winchlesson2.jpg
Stuck H2 (http://homepage.mac.com/babiak1/.Pictures/Pine%20Barrens/H2%20stuck.JPG)

Ok, seriously, have a good day gays and gals. See you all on the trails! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
They are all samples of your posts. The earlier one was showing where you posted there was a perception that all H2 drivers we off road noobies, and you later asked where that comment came from. I just was showing you, you made that comment, and if directed at me, I never said you or anyone here was new to offroading. Hence the narcissistic comment. Why would you assume anything not directed at you would be?
Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
I see you are a bit sensitive over a few good humored posts. Tucks pads perhaps? But if continuing to try to personally insult me makes you feel better, keep up the good work Tugboat! Is that what you see? Wow, I believe it's you suggesting that I have somehow tried to personally insult you. Which I certainly have no problem doing, I just haven't yet.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by H2Finally:
There is no way no how any other drivers can say "I know how you feel" until they have an FU site dedicated to their rigs (you know, like <span class="ev_code_BLUE">futj.com fuxj.com fuyj.com furubi.com fujeep.com fuyota.com fublazer.com fudisco.com fuchayenne.com futoureg.com</span> etc, etc).
:

Ya know what...I hate H2s I hate them because I personally think they are a total waste of money.
That being said I HATE that FUh2 site even worse. Why? Becuase the people that are in control of that site and 99% of the people who post there hate H2s for the wrong reason. They would hate jeeps just as much as Hummers.

The reason I don't like H2s is a totally personal one. There is no way an H2 would ever be capable of the type of wheeling I love. They are just too wide,heavy and weak in certian areas to ever make a decent rig....or at least for the money you spend.

60K will build me any kind of jeep or other vehicle with axles,gears,lockers and what not that will never break.

60K gets the hummer owner a very nice rig that will do most easy trails and a few hard ones too and sure they will ride nice going down the road.

The fact that they get less MPG then I get with a pickup towing my jeep is kind of silly though.

I have said it before..you guys who wheel your H2s Cool. Love to meet you on the trail sometime and spend the day.

You do have to wonder though...Why do you guys have such a bad rep? These things don't come about for no reason ya know.

I think the wheelin guys on this list are far far far outnumbered by the Hummer owners who will never ever in a million years take their rides off the pavment and to me...its just stupid to buy something so big and heavy that will never get used for what it was designed.

I'm guessing thats where a lot of the hatred for Hummers come from. If you buy them and use them only to get kids at socer games (and don't tell me this isn't a primary use) They are a worthless pile of steaming crap!

[DennisAJC]

GAWD THESE THINGS ARE SEXAH! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[OldCJ5]

Warning of this video was given even before it was made. The maker even said he was going to put together a video to piss the Jeepers off the same way they have been doing to us the past few years. Just admit it, it's not fun when the crosshairs are on you.

May I see the video? The link currently isn't working.

As for being in the crosshairs, well, Jeep has been there for 60+ years now, so it's nothing new, and fun isn't a consideration for them.

We'll talk 4x4 lineage later.

Please don't flame me, I'm not here to flame you, just want to see the video.

Thanks http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
There is no way no how any other drivers can say "I know how you feel" until they have an FU site dedicated to their rigs (you know, like <span class="ev_code_BLUE">futj.com fuxj.com fuyj.com furubi.com fujeep.com fuyota.com fublazer.com fudisco.com fuchayenne.com futoureg.com</span> etc, etc).
:

Ya know what...I hate H2s I hate them because I personally think they are a total waste of money.
That being said I HATE that FUh2 site even worse. Why? Becuase the people that are in control of that site and 99% of the people who post there hate H2s for the wrong reason. They would hate jeeps just as much as Hummers.

The reason I don't like H2s is a totally personal one. There is no way an H2 would ever be capable of the type of wheeling I love. They are just too wide,heavy and weak in certian areas to ever make a decent rig....or at least for the money you spend.

60K will build me any kind of jeep or other vehicle with axles,gears,lockers and what not that will never break.

60K gets the hummer owner a very nice rig that will do most easy trails and a few hard ones too and sure they will ride nice going down the road.

The fact that they get less MPG then I get with a pickup towing my jeep is kind of silly though.

I have said it before..you guys who wheel your H2s Cool. Love to meet you on the trail sometime and spend the day.

You do have to wonder though...Why do you guys have such a bad rep? These things don't come about for no reason ya know.

I think the wheelin guys on this list are far far far outnumbered by the Hummer owners who will never ever in a million years take their rides off the pavment and to me...its just stupid to buy something so big and heavy that will never get used for what it was designed.

I'm guessing thats where a lot of the hatred for Hummers come from. If you buy them and use them only to get kids at socer games (and don't tell me this isn't a primary use) They are a worthless pile of steaming crap! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what's going to make you happy? What should we drive? Tell us, you ****ing know-it-all bitch!!! Oh yeah, and you're full of **** on just about everything you just said. If you'd like I'll point them out for you so the next time you spout off you'll at least know a couple of things not to say.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
There is no way no how any other drivers can say "I know how you feel" until they have an FU site dedicated to their rigs (you know, like <span class="ev_code_BLUE">futj.com fuxj.com fuyj.com furubi.com fujeep.com fuyota.com fublazer.com fudisco.com fuchayenne.com futoureg.com</span> etc, etc).
:

Ya know what...I hate H2s I hate them because I personally think they are a total waste of money.
That being said I HATE that FUh2 site even worse. Why? Becuase the people that are in control of that site and 99% of the people who post there hate H2s for the wrong reason. They would hate jeeps just as much as Hummers.

The reason I don't like H2s is a totally personal one. There is no way an H2 would ever be capable of the type of wheeling I love. They are just too wide,heavy and weak in certian areas to ever make a decent rig....or at least for the money you spend.

60K will build me any kind of jeep or other vehicle with axles,gears,lockers and what not that will never break.

60K gets the hummer owner a very nice rig that will do most easy trails and a few hard ones too and sure they will ride nice going down the road.

The fact that they get less MPG then I get with a pickup towing my jeep is kind of silly though.

I have said it before..you guys who wheel your H2s Cool. Love to meet you on the trail sometime and spend the day.

You do have to wonder though...Why do you guys have such a bad rep? These things don't come about for no reason ya know.

I think the wheelin guys on this list are far far far outnumbered by the Hummer owners who will never ever in a million years take their rides off the pavment and to me...its just stupid to buy something so big and heavy that will never get used for what it was designed.

I'm guessing thats where a lot of the hatred for Hummers come from. If you buy them and use them only to get kids at socer games (and don't tell me this isn't a primary use) They are a worthless pile of steaming crap! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would have to disagree with you on where the hatred comes from. You said you hate them because they are a total waste of money. In your opinion it may be a waste of money but that doesn't change what it is or isn't capable. Almost all people, especially wheelers, that come down on the H2 mention the price continually, which you did several times. That, to me, screams jealousy. You might not be jealous but many are. I also think a lot of people feel threatened by it for whatever reason. I am not saying this is why you don't like it but I think it covers a high number of the people that do. As for the people that post on FUh2, they are just lemmings jumping on the band wagon and think they are sooooo cool for doing it. They just need to get a life. As far as most will not go off road in their H2, you are very correct, at least in this area. An why does that make it a steaming piece of crap? Because they are choosing what they want to do with their vehicle. They bought it, they can do what they want with it and it doesn't change anything. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are a large percentage of Jeep owners that will never take theirs on anything harsher than a gravel road or a beach. Does that make the Jeep a steaming pile of crap? I didn't think so. Let people drive and enjoy what they want and lets just go out and wheel and have a good time. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just don't bash someone else because they choose to like something you don't. Everyone needs to open their minds so they can listen and learn. Just my two cents http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:

So what's going to make you happy? What should we drive? Tell us, you ****ing know-it-all bitch!!! Oh yeah, and you're full of **** on just about everything you just said. If you'd like I'll point them out for you so the next time you spout off you'll at least know a couple of things not to say.
Keep it up....you are really showing the rest of us non-hummer drivers the attitude you guys truly have.

If you could get over yourself for just long enough to read my post again...without thinking that everything a non-hummer driver says is out to hurt you or something... You might have noticed that nowhere in my post did I say you should drive anything else then what you drive.
I was just making the point that I...me...personaly have no use for one.

If you still read on you might notice that I said I think Hummers have thier place in the off road world.

You want to show me what they can do...OK Show me a Hummer fitting through trees a CJ will barly fit through. Show me a Hummer that will follow a light weight jeep over top of spring time snow( and I can prove this can't happen)

Come on...I dare you!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

So what's going to make you happy? What should we drive? Tell us, you ****ing know-it-all bitch!!! Oh yeah, and you're full of **** on just about everything you just said. If you'd like I'll point them out for you so the next time you spout off you'll at least know a couple of things not to say.

Using profanity instead of valid arguments is yet another example of a weak mind.


ps. Just for the record, I never said I hated H2s. I just find it amusing to see how fast H2 owners get defensive over a little good natured ribbing. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
LMFAO! You guys slay me! Its funny with all these pics posted showing Jeeps stuck, you notice they are all offroad getting stuck.

Where are the follow up pics showing the H2 going thru the same area the jeep got stuck? OH yeah, there are none!



I'm going to start taking pictures of Jeeps parked on pavement. If possible I'm going to get pics of the undersides showing their lack of off-roading rock rash. I saw a funny one just this morning with a rainbow sticker in the window. I'm never going to leave the house w/o my digi.

There's probably no pics of H2 going through the stuff where the Jeeps got stuck because nobody thought the little piss ant bumps and mud puddles were noteworthy.

[BlueTJCO]

oh **** that you stupid ass **** jeep ****s.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
Almost all people, especially wheelers, that come down on the H2 mention the price continually, which you did several times. That, to me, screams jealousy. You might not be jealous but many are. I also think a lot of people feel threatened by it for whatever reason.
And you guys here....Constantly bring up the jealousy thing...
Its not Jealousy...Its a matter of where to put your money.

I see guys spend 60K or more on rigs of all kinds all the time. To me its smarter to buy a cheaper rig and build it more capable then spending the total amount on the vehilce.

Are you guys going to honsetly tell me that a bone stock H2 will go the same places a jeep built with 60K worth of equipment is going to go?

Trust me....There might be some people who are Jealous of hummers. They just are not very well informed....regardless of what you guys say.

I have spent a lot of years wheeling...had lots of friends with lots of rigs and some of them are very very well off. None of them would own a Hummer. They would rather spend their money on a vehicle that suits their needs. As would I.
And if you think that is knocking hummers...your crazy.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So what's going to make you happy? What should we drive? Tell us, you ****ing know-it-all bitch!!! Oh yeah, and you're full of **** on just about everything you just said. If you'd like I'll point them out for you so the next time you spout off you'll at least know a couple of things not to say.

Using profanity instead of valid arguments is yet another example of a weak mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I notice you conveniently dodged the questions. I'd say that's an example of weak character.

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Just go a Google picture search. First type in Jeep and see the ratio of Jeeps on dirt compared to off. Then try Hummer and/or H2. Look at the ratio again. Its kinda hard to argue with.

What color H2 you drive, so next time you are stuck I can take a photo before I pull you out?
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:I'm going to start taking pictures of Jeeps parked on pavement. If possible I'm going to get pics of the undersides showing their lack of off-roading rock rash. I saw a funny one just this morning with a rainbow sticker in the window. I'm never going to leave the house w/o my digi.

There's probably no pics of H2 going through the stuff where the Jeeps got stuck because nobody thought the little piss ant bumps and mud puddles were noteworthy.
No one ever said that there aren't plenty of stupid jeep owners out there you jack ass.

Keep it up...Im sure the rest of the wheeling comunity is getting a load of your "my **** is better then yours" attitude.

You are nothing but ammo to my argument

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

The question was not aimed at me, it was anothers post you were respoding to. Get your facts straight before you try to sound impressive.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
Just go a Google picture search. First type in Jeep and see the ratio of Jeeps on dirt compared to off. Then try Hummer and/or H2. Look at the ratio again. Its kinda hard to argue with.

What color H2 you drive, so next time you are stuck I can take a photo before I pull you out?
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And did you refine your search to ONLY show you pictures of 2003 and newer Jeeps? You define ignorance.
And you won't be pulling me out because I come prepared.

[HummerNewbie]

As you can see, I didn't say that you were jealous, I said it screams jealousy. So you think it is smart to spent the money building what you want. So be it. That is certainly up to you and I would never knock it. I don't think that anyone said that a H2 would or wouldn't go where a Jeep built with $60K would go. That has never been the debate. It is all personal preference. If I want to spend $60K on a rig straight from the factory rather than build one, that is my choice. Doesn't change whether it is capable or not. And to argue your case by saying you would like to see an H2 go between trees that a Jeep barely fits between or over fresh snow is kind of a lame argument. Not one H2 owner that I saw said that a H2 could go anywhere a Jeep can go regardless if it came down to size. They are both very capable vehicles and if you truly want to have an open mind and see what an H2 can or can't do, meet the group out at Moab in Oct. Go wheeling together, I bet everyone will have a great time once the brand rivalry is left behind.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
Just go a Google picture search. First type in Jeep and see the ratio of Jeeps on dirt compared to off. Then try Hummer and/or H2. Look at the ratio again. Its kinda hard to argue with.

What color H2 you drive, so next time you are stuck I can take a photo before I pull you out?
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Could you honestly expect anything different with the fact that there are tens of thousands more jeeps out there than Hummers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Whaaaa.....mommy, they are making fun of my brand new 60k H2! Whaaaa! LOL!

Ok, sorry, couldnt resist. Just picked up the new Four Wheeler and it had the top picks in each class listed. Of course the Rubicon took the compact SUV hands down, but the H2 took the Fullsize SUV, over the H1, due to price. It did also beat out the Landcruiser so I have to give points for that.

You guys need more flex though!
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/images/03hummer_h2_4.jpg
What is that, like 6" of travel? LOL!

Anyhow, to both sides: STFU and lets go wheel! We will never prove anything masturbating the keys of the keyboard on a forum. The trail doesn't lie.

[HummerNewbie]

Anything about the H3 in there?

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

As far as the google search, try serching "Jeep TJ" which came out in '97, to narrow the field.

Or, if you are up to it, try "Jeep Rubicon" which came out in 2003. Please, please try Jeep Rubicon! That good enough for ya?

[HummerNewbie]

It will narrow the field but that is still 6 years difference. You also have to take into account that the sales figures for each year won't be comparible due to the selling price of each.

I know, I brought up the whole price thing http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but not as a negative for either side.

[NJ H2]

You Jeep guys can continue to drive your POS Jeeps through tiny little trails just big enough for you to pass. Who the hell wants to do that?? It's very funny to me that you consider that "Wheeling"
Of course you don't care if you hit a couple of Trees along the way because those of you that don't care drive the biggest "Little" POS Jeeps around!!
You see ... the trick to wheeling is to at least try to avoid accidents if possible! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If you actually cared about your ride you would learn how to "wheel" and try not to hit anything!
The truth is anyone can have a Jeep including lot's of High School Grads, but if given the choice of a Hummer or a Jeep to keep and drive I can tell you anyone and I mean anyone including all you Jeepers would take the Hummer.
Admit it or don't but the first step to releasing your obvious pent up jealousy is admitting you have a problem!
Good Luck to ya!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Originally posted by NJ H2:
You Jeep guys can continue to drive your POS Jeeps through tiny little trails just big enough for you to pass. Who the hell wants to do that?? It's very funny to me that you consider that "Wheeling"
Of course you don't care if you hit a couple of Trees along the way because those of you that don't care drive the biggest "Little" POS Jeeps around!!

Well, OK, Im not sure your idea of wheeling....but stick to the dirt roads, as thats seems to be the only thing you didnt rule out!

If I wanted to drive an H2 I could buy any Chevy SUV for half the price. And BTW, I love driving my Jeep, everyday, as a daily driver....as do most Jeep owners, so I challenge you to back up the claim that most Jeep owners would rather have an H2 "to keep and drive."

[PARAGON]

Anyone know why Jeep will no longer be making the soft top. Why the new TK will have a fixed rear roof and side panels instead of a removable hard or soft top?

Better buy a real Jeep while you can. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

The rumors are that those protoypes were displayed for a cross section of Jeep owners to get input on that idea. As far as I know that is not production, nor anyway reflecting what will be done in 2006.

BTW, Jeep has yet to release the model designation of the new Jeep. Speculation is the TJ designation may end and a new one is forthcoming perhaps

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
Whaaaa.....mommy, they are making fun of my brand new 60k H2! Whaaaa! LOL!

Ok, sorry, couldnt resist. The trail doesn't lie.

Oh yeah, my widdo feewings is sooo hurt.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
The rumors are that those protoypes were displayed for a cross section of Jeep owners to get input on that idea. As far as I know that is not production, nor anyway reflecting what will be done in 2006.

BTW, Jeep has yet to release the model designation of the new Jeep. Speculation is the TJ designation may end and a new one is forthcoming perhaps Dude, what are you talking about. The TK is the 2007 model of the Wrangler. It's the all new designed and is being tested as we type. It won't have 6 banger anymore, will not have removeable tops and...... I can't remember off the top of my head the other stuff.

It's not brand new information. It's been known for a little while. Do a search for 07 TK or the like, I am sure this already a bunch of stuff out on it.

[DRTYFN]

http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05may/tk_spyshots.asp

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/S...gler.S178.A8684.html (http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Jeep_Wrangler.S178.A8684.html)

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
As far as the google search, try serching "Jeep TJ" which came out in '97, to narrow the field.

Or, if you are up to it, try "Jeep Rubicon" which came out in 2003. Please, please try Jeep Rubicon! That good enough for ya? What is this all about?

Ok, I did the search, what's the point:



http://images.google.com/images?q=jeep+rubicon (http://images.google.com/images?q=%22jeep+rubicon%22&start=20&svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-46,GGLD:en&sa=N&imgsz=small|medium|large|xlarge)

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

You are talking about spy photos with all the black rags on top, and a lot of speculation.

The engine MAY be the small 3.7l from the Liberty, or another mid-sized V6. The designation MAY also be JK or TK, as thatis not clear yet either.

[NJ H2]

OK ... let me re-phrase.
If someone were to give you a choice of a new Jeep or a new H2 (for FREE to own and drive) and the price of gas was no object because they also gave you an unlimited gas card for as much free gas as you need for that specific truck, what do you honestly think anyone would take?
(and don't give me a stupid answer like:
I would sell the H2 and build a new jeep.

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Originally posted by NJ H2:
OK ... let me re-phrase.
If someone were to give you a choice of a new Jeep or a new H2 (for FREE to own and drive) and the price of gas was no object because they also gave you an unlimited gas card for as much free gas as you need for that specific truck, what do you honestly think anyone would take?
(and don't give me a stupid answer like:
I would sell the H2 and build a new jeep.

LMFAO, so if the planets aligned, there was peace on Earth, and Santa Claus really did exsist? Come on man, get in touch with reality.

Even playing your silly little game I would do exactly as you said. Sell the H2 and with the extra money, build a wicked Jeep. Unlike you I do not need DVD players, 5000w stereo systems, warming seats for my senstive bottom, etc.

[DennisAJC]

Is that the best you guys can come up with??????? It's too wide????It's too heavy???

Those qualities RARELY apply in real off road situations. Did nature specify a width JUST for fawking Heeps??

How about, Jeeps are too tiny, too guttless, too fragile???

Did you think the US Military Machine said, "What if we come between two trees and it's too narrow for the Hummer????" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bottom line is JEEP will ALWAYS be chasing HUMMER. Jeep will always be one step behind and it pisses you off. The HUMMER grill fiasco always brings a grin to my face.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by PARAGON:

BTW, Jeep has yet to release the model designation of the new Jeep. Speculation is the TJ designation may end and a new one is forthcoming perhaps Dude, what are you talking about. The TK is the 2007 model of the Wrangler. It's the all new designed and is being tested as we type. It won't have 6 banger anymore, will not have removeable tops and...... I can't remember off the top of my head the other stuff.

It's not brand new information. It's been known for a little while. Do a search for 07 TK or the like, I am sure this already a bunch of stuff out on it. [/QUOTE]
Get his facts strait? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It still has a six banger in it...Just not an inline six. It will still have a soft top. They are just comming out with a hard top version also.

You are right...the info has been out for a long time. However its all info on the prototype The info on the production version has not been released yet.

I have to say though its a shame what DC is doing to jeeps.
They are making them more and more like Hummers and Tahoes and VWs everyday.

[hoss75]

The truth is anyone can have a Jeep including lot's of High School Grads, but if given the choice of a Hummer or a Jeep to keep and drive I can tell you anyone and I mean anyone including all you Jeepers would take the Hummer.


Thanks but I'll stick with my Liberty.. small and agile enough to follow a Wrangler with most of the creature comforts and highway friendliness of your H2s.

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Is that the best you guys can come up with??????? It's too wide????It's too heavy???

Those qualities RARELY apply in real off road situations. Did nature specify a width JUST for fawking Heeps??

How about, Jeeps are too tiny, too guttless, too fragile???

Did you think the US Military Machine said, "What if we come between two trees and it's too narrow for the Hummer????" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bottom line is JEEP will ALWAYS be chasing HUMMER. Jeep will always be one step behind and it pisses you off. The HUMMER grill fiasco always brings a grin to my face.

Are you comparing an H1 with your silly little H2? You have got to be kidding me right? Fragile? can you say I. F. S.? SNAP! I was able to break 2 H-1's in the military also. Its no secret the H-1 front end was weak.

As far as chasing a Hummer H2 or H3 when they arrive, lets take out a stock Hummer and a stock Rubicon, and see who really goes where and who doesn't. There is your challenge: Stock vs Stock.

ANY of you up for it?

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Is that the best you guys can come up with??????? It's too wide????It's too heavy???
I guess it depends on the type of wheeling you are doing. Wide and heavy are constanly a battle in the fourwheeling world I play in. Even in an XJ I find situations where I wish I was narower or lighter then I am.
Ask the guy I pulled out of the snow.

How about, Jeeps are too tiny, too guttless, too fragile???
Too gutless or fragile? Wanna race? Stock vs Stock? Whats your 0-60 times?
Too fragile? How many tie rods have you broke?



Bottom line is JEEP will ALWAYS be chasing HUMMER. Jeep will always be one step behind and it pisses you off. The HUMMER grill fiasco always brings a grin to my face.

Then why are YOU guys sitting here telling us...no wait whining to us about how picked on you are in the 4wd world? Seems to me that you guys are the ones always chasing...Reputation anyway...I think the fact that Jeep has...and always will be the pillar in the off-road world pisses you guys off so much you have to make silly little videos.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
You are talking about spy photos with all the black rags on top, and a lot of speculation.

The engine MAY be the small 3.7l from the Liberty, or another mid-sized V6. The designation MAY also be JK or TK, as thatis not clear yet either. Guys this isn't what-if stuff. No more soft-top. It will have a base engine the same as the Liberty but will have an optional small V-8, not a V-6. It doesn't matter what they call it once it starts production. It's known now as the TK and it's not a prototype, that was last year. This thing is in testing now and will hit the streets next year.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
] Guys this isn't what-if stuff. No more soft-top. It will have a base engine the same as the Liberty but will have an optional small V-8, not a V-6. It doesn't matter what they call it once it starts production. It's known now as the TK and it's not a prototype, that was last year. This thing is in testing now and will hit the streets next year.
Back it up!

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:

So what's going to make you happy? What should we drive? Tell us, you ****ing know-it-all bitch!!! Oh yeah, and you're full of **** on just about everything you just said. If you'd like I'll point them out for you so the next time you spout off you'll at least know a couple of things not to say.
Keep it up....you are really showing the rest of us non-hummer drivers the attitude you guys truly have.

If you could get over yourself for just long enough to read my post again...without thinking that everything a non-hummer driver says is out to hurt you or something... You might have noticed that nowhere in my post did I say you should drive anything else then what you drive.
I was just making the point that I...me...personaly have no use for one.

If you still read on you might notice that I said I think Hummers have thier place in the off road world.

You want to show me what they can do...OK Show me a Hummer fitting through trees a CJ will barly fit through. Show me a Hummer that will follow a light weight jeep over top of spring time snow( and I can prove this can't happen)

Come on...I dare you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You never did give a straight answer. Maybe you're not straight and are incapable of giving a straight answer.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I apologize to 2 Rubi for jabbing you for not answering. My bad.

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

No problem bud. Over and done with. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyone near Central Cali, lets go wheelin! I have not been out for a couple weeks!

[ROX]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NJ H2:
OK ... let me re-phrase.
If someone were to give you a choice of a new Jeep or a new H2 (for FREE to own and drive) and the price of gas was no object because they also gave you an unlimited gas card for as much free gas as you need for that specific truck, what do you honestly think anyone would take?
(and don't give me a stupid answer like:
I would sell the H2 and build a new jeep.

LMFAO, so if the planets aligned, there was peace on Earth, and Santa Claus really did exsist? Come on man, get in touch with reality.

Even playing your silly little game I would do exactly as you said. Sell the H2 and with the extra money, build a wicked Jeep. Unlike you I do not need DVD players, 5000w stereo systems, warming seats for my senstive bottom, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I owned a pickup and was about to buy and old ratty Jeep to fix up,(cuz none of em are worth a **** anyway) so I could off-road. Instead I spent the money on a Hummer H2. And I love the heated seats, my kids go everywhere and really dig the DVD, so there. I actually upgraded when I bought it. And the H1 used to be a gutless, rideless piece of tankage that I don't care for. Except now.....

So see you on the trail! I'll be the one with the seat heaters on all nice and dry, and I'll have hot steamy coffee for you folks diggin yourselves out. Can't miss me. I'm the one following you up the trail in the Stealth Gray, and just in case you get stuck I'll have my winch on so we can get you back on the road. So be nice or no cookies for you. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

BTW, what kind of winches are those and what weight rating?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:

BTW, Jeep has yet to release the model designation of the new Jeep. Speculation is the TJ designation may end and a new one is forthcoming perhaps Dude, what are you talking about. The TK is the 2007 model of the Wrangler. It's the all new designed and is being tested as we type. It won't have 6 banger anymore, will not have removeable tops and...... I can't remember off the top of my head the other stuff.

It's not brand new information. It's been known for a little while. Do a search for 07 TK or the like, I am sure this already a bunch of stuff out on it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Get his facts strait? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It still has a six banger in it...Just not an inline six. It will still have a soft top. They are just comming out with a hard top version also.

You are right...the info has been out for a long time. However its all info on the prototype The info on the production version has not been released yet.

I have to say though its a shame what DC is doing to jeeps.
They are making them more and more like Hummers and Tahoes and VWs everyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have no idea what the hell you said here. But let me say this: The new TK will not have a 6 cyl., V or inline. No removable tops, hard or soft like the current and past wranglers. It will have a front section that will open up over the front seats ONLY. The rear will have a full solid roof and solid, attached, part of the body, sides and rear glass with an integrated lift/tail gate. This is not the prototype information and has not been out for "a long time." It's been leaked for a month or so.

You guys are some goofy ones. This stuff has to be leaked out so that the aftermarket manufacturers can start making up stuff since the whole vehicle is redesigned. That's how this kind of stuff gets leaked out. Sheesh, talk about touchy.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
You never did give a straight answer. Maybe you're not straight and are incapable of giving a straight answer.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I apologize to 2 Rubi for jabbing you for not answering. My bad.
Yes I did...I said that Hummers have their place. If you want one and it fits your needs...fine. I won't hold it against you.
I bet in this thread I have said it five times...I will wheel with anyone anytime and anywhere(as long as they can keep up)
For myself I have a strong brand loyalty but I don't try to impose that on anyone else.

If we met on the trail I would never ever in a million years turn my nose up at you because you are in an H2. Nor would I laugh harder if you rolled it or be one of the idiots who stand and cheer when you guys break.

All I said is that I...me personaly have no use for a Hummer. If it bothers you that someone feels that way then maybe you need to see a shrink!

Straight enough for ya?

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
] I have no idea what the hell you said here. But let me say this: The new TK will not have a 6 cyl., V or inline. No removable tops, hard or soft like the current and past wranglers. It will have a front section that will open up over the front seats ONLY. The rear will have a full solid roof and solid, attached, part of the body, sides and rear glass with an integrated lift/tail gate. This is not the prototype information and has not been out for "a long time." It's been leaked for a month or so.

You guys are some goofy ones. This stuff has to be leaked out so that the aftermarket manufacturers can start making up stuff since the whole vehicle is redesigned. That's how this kind of stuff gets leaked out. Sheesh, talk about touchy.
I said it once and I will say it again...
Back it up. Prove it. Send me a solid link to something I can read for myself.
Something that is varifiable by DC.
If you can not do this then SPOBI!!

I was hoping JP had the article online but its not.
They talked to a DC rep who said basicly everything you said is false. Rumors abound but there is no varifiable truth to what you say...Other then the fact that the I6 is going away.

Everything else is complete BS unless you can get us a varifiable link to some solid info.

So post it up man.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
] Guys this isn't what-if stuff. No more soft-top. It will have a base engine the same as the Liberty but will have an optional small V-8, not a V-6. It doesn't matter what they call it once it starts production. It's known now as the TK and it's not a prototype, that was last year. This thing is in testing now and will hit the streets next year.
Back it up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Do a little looking on the internet, you can find it and easily read between the lines. Also, there are a couple of people who work for somebody on this forum, PM them and ask them some "very general" questions. They probably won't answer or respond to you seeing how you guys have acted but, hey, it's worth a try.

But, fine, let me rephrase the question. If DC were to do that to the wrangler, what's up with that?

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by PARAGON:

But, fine, let me rephrase the question. If DC were to do that to the wrangler, what's up with that?
Why do you think there are so many pissed off Jeep owners?
DC is Hummerizing them more and more and the real jeep guys...Not the highschool chearleaders hate it.
The highschool chearleaders would rather have a hummer anyway...it fits their lifestyle better.

The story I read in JP mag...where they talked to the DC reps basicly stated that DC knows that with the invention of the new grand with IFS and the Liberty that they need to keep an open top, two live axle vehicle or they will lose alot of sales.

DC maybe doind some very stupid things but they aren't going to sink that low.

[hoss75]

But, fine, let me rephrase the question. If DC were to do that to the wrangler, what's up with that?

That would be a sad sad day.. The Wrangler is an icon. If this is true, I may have to go snatch one up before they're all gone.

[MR Tool]

Um Paragon,

The new Jeep will have a 6, SFA, and some other stuff that I know of. AS a FACT.

I cannot divulge were or how and will not tell you about the other goodies being added.

But trust me, when you live where I live, and do what I do, know who I know, then you can understand.

evertyhing is NOT on the internet. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[NJ H2]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:

LMFAO, so if the planets aligned, there was peace on Earth, and Santa Claus really did exsist? Come on man, get in touch with reality.

Even playing your silly little game I would do exactly as you said. Sell the H2 and with the extra money, build a wicked Jeep. Unlike you I do not need DVD players, 5000w stereo systems, warming seats for my senstive bottom, etc.

You are tooooo funny! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
The truth is it's all about the Casheesh!
If you had it you would buy it!
Because if you had the $ you could build a really wicked Hummer!
If you want something even narrower sell you jeep and get a Dirt Bike!
The truth is I like Jeeps and if I couldn't afford the H2 I'd have a Jeep!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

I guess in retrospect I would take the H2 first, so I could sell it for the profit. As I explained earlier, if I wanted an H2, I could go buy 2 of them, so it is not a matter of funds.

Still have two questions unaswered:

Anyone want to go head to head with a stock H2 vs a stock Rubicon

and

What winches are the H2s running and what weight rating?

[ROX]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
I guess in retrospect I would take the H2 first, so I could sell it for the profit. As I explained earlier, if I wanted an H2, I could go buy 2 of them, so it is not a matter of funds.

Still have two questions unaswered:

Anyone want to go head to head with a stock H2 vs a stock Rubicon

and

What winches are the H2s running and what weight rating?
As far as head to head with a Rubicon, we already have. In fact, sadly, he put it in a mud hole and that is the picture a few pages back of an H2 pulling him out. Then, there's probably a pic of the same guy pulling me after I had an issue on the trail. So in one day, we messed both rigs up. Don't assume we're all a bunch of newb's that don't know what off road is.

Some folks run a Warn 9.5 on a cradle, for front and rear operation. Some have custom bumpers with much larger and heavier rated winches.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by MR Tool:
Um Paragon,

The new Jeep will have a 6, SFA, and some other stuff that I know of. AS a FACT.

I cannot divulge were or how and will not tell you about the other goodies being added.

But trust me, when you live where I live, and do what I do, know who I know, then you can understand.

evertyhing is NOT on the internet. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ROTFLMA Ok, whatever. Solid front axle? You think?

Sorry, I had to find a towel to clean the Diet Root Beer off my screen after busting a gut and spitting all over it.

The earth is basically round!!!!!! Want to argue with that. Sheesh!!!!

Please bookmark this page and this time next year come back and read it and see who was right.

[KenP]

This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
What winches are the H2s running and what weight rating? What winches are Jeeps running? What a ridiculous question. People run anything from Milemarker to Warn from 9.5 to 15Ks. You would have to ask someone specific what winch they have not the entire group. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by KenP:
This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Shhhh! We might have a record here. Plus I noticed you are going to deitize way before me so I needed to work on that.

[DennisAJC]

Ya Ken, SHUT UP!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Shhhh! We might have a record here. Plus I noticed you are going to deitize way before me so I needed to work on that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I did deitize once. Then I was banished. Atleast I wasn't "ducked" or burned. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
Yes I did...I said that Hummers have their place. If you want one and it fits your needs...fine. I won't hold it against you.
I bet in this thread I have said it five times...I will wheel with anyone anytime and anywhere(as long as they can keep up)
For myself I have a strong brand loyalty but I don't try to impose that on anyone else.

If we met on the trail I would never ever in a million years turn my nose up at you because you are in an H2. Nor would I laugh harder if you rolled it or be one of the idiots who stand and cheer when you guys break.

All I said is that I...me personaly have no use for a Hummer. If it bothers you that someone feels that way then maybe you need to see a shrink!

Straight enough for ya?

You say that you wouldn't hold against anyone for wanting what fits their needs, that's great. Nobody should. So you don't like the H2, or any Hummer for that matter. That is fine, just say that. Don't say that you hate H2s and that they are steaming piles of crap. That is the type of thing that gets these wars going. I not saying that you started it or anything but come on, just say that you don't like them and leave it at that. Personally, a Hummer fits my needs better than a Jeep but that doesn't make me want to bash them or hate them. I just personally don't want one over a Hummer. That is my choice and that should be respected as my choice seeing how it is my vehicle just as I would respect your choice seeing how it is your vehicle.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
Seems to me that you guys are the ones always chasing...Reputation anyway...I think the fact that Jeep has...and always will be the pillar in the off-road world pisses you guys off so much you have to make silly little videos.

Of course Jeep has been the pillar of the off-road world. Come on damn it, they have had fifty years to build that rep. How long has the Hummer, of any kind, been around let alone the H2. Give it a chance to prove itself. That is one of the big reasons that you see far more Jeeps off road than Hummers, they have been around forever. The new guy on the block is putting up a fight and that really seems to scare some of the loyalist. Not saying it scares you, but hell, you got to give them a chance and not just discount it because it's not a Jeep.

[ROX]

Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Shhhh! We might have a record here. Plus I noticed you are going to deitize way before me so I needed to work on that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I did deitize once. Then I was banished. Atleast I wasn't "ducked" or burned. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wait till Moab. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by KenP:
I did deitize once. Then I was banished. I 'member that. Must have been the whole groupee thing.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
ROTFLMA Ok, whatever. Solid front axle? You think?
I know...this is one thing I have heard over and over that the new wrangler will definatly NOT have IFS.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
Of course Jeep WAS the pillar of the off-road world.

FIXED. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
Wait till Moab. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
When are you guys going to be in Moab? My group will be there from the 8th through the 12th(I think..have to recheck dates)

It would be cool to see if you guys are as nice in person as you claim.

[PARAGON]

Have you seen the spy pics of the Jeep Rescue?

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
Wait till Moab. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
When are you guys going to be in Moab? My group will be there from the 8th through the 12th(I think..have to recheck dates)

It would be cool to see if you guys are as nice in person as you claim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HA! I'll buy the 1st and 2nd round. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[RasterMaster]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
"It's the all new designed..."

Somehow I don't get the feeling that the all new German Engineering is going to be big selling point!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

The reason I asked about what winches were being run is I did not know what mouts were made (if any at all) into the stock H2, and what weight it takes to get that hunk of junk unstuck on a daily basis.

Nice boards, ask an honest question, get an ignorant person to answer.

[DennisAJC]

I remember wheelin at the beach and I ran into a Jeep club(About 10 of them).

The leader ran them into some deep sand and they were all stuck thrashing around like dying beached whales.

I hooked them ALL up at the same time and winched all 10 to safety.

Afterwards the men offered me their women as an offering for saving their lives.

I was spent that day.

True story! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Now is there a stock mounting location or is it an aftermarket application?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
Now is there a stock mounting location or is it an aftermarket application? Yes

[wilfred]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:

So what's going to make you happy? What should we drive? Tell us, you ****ing know-it-all bitch!!! Oh yeah, and you're full of **** on just about everything you just said. If you'd like I'll point them out for you so the next time you spout off you'll at least know a couple of things not to say.
Keep it up....you are really showing the rest of us non-hummer drivers the attitude you guys truly have.

If you could get over yourself for just long enough to read my post again...without thinking that everything a non-hummer driver says is out to hurt you or something... You might have noticed that nowhere in my post did I say you should drive anything else then what you drive.
I was just making the point that I...me...personaly have no use for one.

If you still read on you might notice that I said I think Hummers have thier place in the off road world.

You want to show me what they can do...OK Show me a Hummer fitting through trees a CJ will barly fit through. Show me a Hummer that will follow a light weight jeep over top of spring time snow( and I can prove this can't happen)

Come on...I dare you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, why don't you show me your CJ fitting through trees a zuki or atv or bikes will barely fit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif In case you haven't read this thread from the beginning, you obviously still do not understand the meaning of the video.

[wilfred]

Originally posted by KenP:
This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I agree, same topics just different trolls http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Someone had mentioned there should be a list of what not to do for all these trolls.

[KenP]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
The reason I asked about what winches were being run is I did not know what mouts were made (if any at all) into the stock H2, and what weight it takes to get that hunk of junk unstuck on a daily basis.

Nice boards, ask an honest question, get an ignorant person to answer. Dumb ass. This is what you asked BTW, what kind of winches are those and what weight rating? And the answers Posted by Rox:
Some folks run a Warn 9.5 on a cradle, for front and rear operation. Some have custom bumpers with much larger and heavier rated winches. Posted by Paragon:
What winches are Jeeps running? What a ridiculous question. People run anything from Milemarker to Warn from 9.5 to 15Ks. You would have to ask someone specific what winch they have not the entire group. I guess you didn't understand the answers. Too many syllables for you to handle? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And you insult our trucks. You really are a waste of sperm. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
I guess in retrospect I would take the H2 first, so I could sell it for the profit. As I explained earlier, if I wanted an H2, I could go buy 2 of them, so it is not a matter of funds.

Still have two questions unaswered:

Anyone want to go head to head with a stock H2 vs a stock Rubicon

and

What winches are the H2s running and what weight rating?

Sure you can afford 2 H2s. Just like all other trolls that come in here. Let's see, we had someone claiming to have a 7 digit bank account driving a range rover and if memory serves me right, you have 2 rubicons that you have spent $70k on and a $60k dually, right?

[KenP]

Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I agree, same topics just different trolls http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Someone had mentioned there should be a list of what not to do for all these trolls. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Such as "Do not insult the truck you are asking questions about". Too bad these guy's momma's didn't swallow instead. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
The reason I asked about what winches were being run is I did not know what mouts were made (if any at all) into the stock H2, and what weight it takes to get that hunk of junk unstuck on a daily basis.

Nice boards, ask an honest question, get an ignorant person to answer.

And if you don't like this board, go away!

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by wilfred:
OK, why don't you show me your CJ fitting through trees a zuki or atv or bikes will barely fit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif In case you haven't read this thread from the beginning, you obviously still do not understand the meaning of the video.
I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps.

[KenP]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
OK, why don't you show me your CJ fitting through trees a zuki or atv or bikes will barely fit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif In case you haven't read this thread from the beginning, you obviously still do not understand the meaning of the video.
I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's done everyday in print on the internet and through pictures. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Samething over and over again. Yet these dumbasses still don't get. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[RasterMaster]

There is your challenge: Stock vs Stock.

Handling a side impact of a VW at 35 mph....? The Jeep driver can let me know how it went when he wakes from a coma. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[BlkYota]

While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by BlkYota:
While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

Dildo, if you'd detach yourself from your dog's dick you might realize that video has been around the world 96 times and that it originated here. God damn 'tard. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
OK, why don't you show me your CJ fitting through trees a zuki or atv or bikes will barely fit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif In case you haven't read this thread from the beginning, you obviously still do not understand the meaning of the video.
I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, an atv is 3'~ 4' wide and a cj is 5'~ 6' wide, you would drive a cj thru two trees that are say 4.5' apart? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And if you actually spend a few mins and read this entire thread, you wouldn't be bringing up these same old arguments. Yes the vid was funny and not only to hummer owners. There have been jeep owners coming over to this board and think it was funny as well. And yes hummers have been and still are under the same light as many owners on this board will agree. Which is the point of this vid.

So you think the maker of this vid should've put a disclaimer/explanation at the end of this vid? I surely don't recall any disclaimer/explanation when I see all the crap ppl put out on the net.