H2 vs JEEP End all showdown in MOAB VIDEO!

[wilfred]

Originally posted by BlkYota:
While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

Great, another troll, but this one is different, he may not be a jeep troll but a taco troll. What's next, more pictures sharing? Or maybe more trash talking?

Listen kid, read this entire thread before you decide to make a fool of yourself.

[CO Hummer]

Dennis,
Great Video - That was FUNNY! (yes, I'm just getting caught up on current events here). Now that you're a famous producer, you'll need to keep that in mind for your videography on our next trip.

I will say that I'm a bit disgruntled about not getting my handle in the credits since I have two cameo appearances.

Don't listen to all the losers that will threaten you. Those guys are all talk. Like Alec, I too stopped participating on most of the other offroad forums because of the extreme hatred. I had a guy from colorado4x4 threaten me online for parking on what he perceived to be billion year old tundra.

The points made about jealousy are totally lost on these guys. They don't understand the point AT ALL. It's astounding. They respond with "well I just hate them because they are too expensive". What kind of idiotic response is that?

I hate Godiva chocolate because even though it tastes good it's a waste of money when you can buy Hershey. I hate cuban cigars because swisher sweets work just as good. The logic is ridiculous.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
The points made about jealousy are totally lost on these guys. They don't understand the point AT ALL. It's astounding. They respond with "well I just hate them because they are too expensive". What kind of idiotic response is that?


Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive. They hate the people who buy them BECAUSE they are expensive. Some of you guys here seem to be hardcore(I guess) wheelers. Some of you might have bought your hummers because you thought it would make a good wheeling machine....Thats cool.

There is a greater number of people though who buy them soley for the status symbol. To me this is just plain stupid. Its a waste of money to do that.

I hate to tell ya guys but plain and simple...the hatred started from the attitudes of alot of Hummer owners. Not because of the price,capability,looks or anyother part of the Hummer. Its mostly just driver attitude.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by DrMoab:

I hate to tell ya guys but plain and simple...the hatred started from because of the price,capability,looks or anyother part of the Hummer. The attitudes of alot of Hummer owners evolved in response to the hate.

I FIXED it for you Doc. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When I bought my Hummer, I didn't get into the driver's seat and said,"Hey, from this day on, I'm gonna look down on people."

That quality was in me years before. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif J/K

Being a long time Jeep owner, it hurt when I was immediatly shund for driving the H2. It's almost like a defensive personality. Easily mistaken for being snobby.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by DrMoab:

EARLIER: Ya know what...I hate H2s I hate them because I personally think they are a total waste of money.

NOW: Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive.



DrGenius,
Having a Schizo day are we?

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
The points made about jealousy are totally lost on these guys. They don't understand the point AT ALL. It's astounding. They respond with "well I just hate them because they are too expensive". What kind of idiotic response is that?


Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive. They hate the people who buy them BECAUSE they are expensive. Some of you guys here seem to be hardcore(I guess) wheelers. Some of you might have bought your hummers because you thought it would make a good wheeling machine....Thats cool.

There is a greater number of people though who buy them soley for the status symbol. To me this is just plain stupid. Its a waste of money to do that.

I hate to tell ya guys but plain and simple...the hatred started from the attitudes of alot of Hummer owners. Not because of the price,capability,looks or anyother part of the Hummer. Its mostly just driver attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I said yesterday, so what if the vehicle cost a lot and many buy them as a status symbol. Those are not the people here so that would be a pointless argument on this forum. I agree, it is stupid to buy a vehicle for a status symbol but if you want to do that, go ahead it is your money. Who the hell are you or I to say what someone can do with their money? If you are going to use the argument that most people buy Hummers and don't go off road so Hummers suck, then you need to use the same argument about Jeeps. Whether you can admit it or not, a larger percentage of Jeep owners will not do any real off roading, if any, than those that will. Also, if the H2 sucks as an off road vehicle because of cost, then I guess the Rubi does too because you could build a custom rig for less. It may not be pretty, but I guess it wouldn't be a steaming pile of crap like the Rubi (if using your argument about price). I personally don't think any Jeeps are piles of crap, but that would be a good comparison to your argument http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[BlueTJCO]

I'll make the argument that I can get a bone stock TJ as far as some could get a BOne Stock H2........does that make the Vehicle or the Driver more capable?????????? And while I've never driven one, I bet I can take a Bone stock H2 and get it as far as a fully set up wrangler also....... It's 40 percent rig, and 60 percent driver IMHO http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrMoab:

EARLIER: Ya know what...I hate H2s I hate them because I personally think they are a total waste of money.

NOW: Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive.



DrGenius,
Having a Schizo day are we? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope...it still stands. I have started to hate them because of what I said in that last post. I thought H2s were kind of cool when they came out. I hauled cars for a living at that time and drove tons of them. I knew it was something I would ever have because I thought the price was just silly for what you are getting. But that price they get has a direct affect on the attitudes of some hummer drivers. The more I saw on the road the more I became aware that a lot of people where buying them for the sole reason of being better then everyone else.

Just as alot of your hatred of the rest of the 4wd comunity came from looking down on you, Mine slowly evolved from the attitudes I have seen from lots of Hummer drivers. Not all of course but alot.

The thing is...the price has a direct effect in this. If you could buy an H2 for 30K(about what they should be) then you wouldn't have so many *******s driving them.

[CO Hummer]

So, to summarize:

Originally posted by DrMoab:

EARLIER: Ya know what...I hate H2s I hate them because I personally think they are a total waste of money.

NOW: Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive.

LATEST: I have started to hate them


You say you hate them because the of the predominance of the bad attitudes of the owners. Apparently that's ok. But when Dennis posts a video because of the predominance of the Jeeper's attitudes....not ok, right?

I hate airplanes because only snobby rich guys own them.

[HummerNewbie]

..attitudes of some hummer drivers.

At least you go that right. Doesn't matter what type of vehicle, there are *******s driving every type. Some even right the bus I bet http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[BlueTJCO]

if an H2 only cost 30,000, I would be driving my TJ in today and trading it in http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That I'm serious about! I could get way more pussy in an h2!!!

[BlueTJCO]

just wait, I'll be wearing the infamous "moon" pants in October.........

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Mooncricket:
if an H2 only cost 30,000, I would be driving my TJ in today and trading it in http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That I'm serious about! I could get way more pussy in an h2!!!

Maybe you can get in line here.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HummerNewbie]

ROFLMAO http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Where the hell do you get all these? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[MR Tool]

Originally posted by sfox:

I do have a question though, and this is not to slam or anything. If the Rubicon wan't offered, would this even be an arguement? Could a bone stock Wrangler keep up with an H2 without the Rubicon upgrades? I've always said the Rubi and the H2 are real similar in terms of capability, but stock TJ's I don't think so (and nobody makes an arguement for the GC or KJ).

S

Good question. I believe that 95% of the people who buy Rubicons are going to use it off-road. Why else would you drop another 7-10k for what is to the average driver a sticker on the hood, nicer wheels and a toggle swith on your dash??

The fact that they CAN come out with this type of package says alot for the engineers. I'm also pretty sure they woud have done more like 33' tires, lift, etc. but then you have the 5% of idiots that think it's a sports car and kill themselves and sue and sue and sue. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I bought Jeep cause I can take the top off, has 4WD, and they finally made it in a color I was looking for. I bought a Rubicon because of all the stuff the average driver don't see.

If you bought an H2 for it's off-road capability, then IMO you are a fool. If you bought an H2 because of it's styling, road manners,luxury items, in conjuction with it's off road capibilty then kudos. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[MR Tool]

and no we won't argue the KJ or GC cause they have IFS. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by MR Tool:
If you bought an H2 for it's off-road capability, then IMO you are a fool. If you bought an H2 because of it's styling, road manners,luxury items, in conjuction with it's off road capibilty then kudos. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Just my opinion here, but I don't think anyone is buying the H2 strictly for its off road capabilities. It is, as you mentioned, all the extras such as styling and luxury along with the great off road capabilities that brings them to it. Now those that just buy it for the status are idiots.

[MR Tool]

Dude I am not defending jeep. "most of the hardcore..." lol now that there is funny. I don't care who you are.

Image and nothing else. lol Those are noobicons.

I took a poll on a rubicon website, 187 responses, 150+ had owned Jeeps or currently own them. But I guess none were "hardcore" they dropped some extra coin for image instead of buying the stickers on e-bay.

I hope you people can put the same amount of passion into keeping trails open as you put into defending your rides.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by sfox:
DUDE! STOP DEFENDING JEEP...YOU AREN"T GOOD AT IT!! You are embarassing to other Jeep owners....

Now that was funny.

P.S. I hate granite countertops because only snobby people buy them.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by MR Tool:
Dude I am not defending jeep. "most of the hardcore..." lol now that there is funny. I don't care who you are.

Image and nothing else. lol Those are noobicons.

I took a poll on a rubicon website, 187 responses, 150+ had owned Jeeps or currently own them. But I guess none were "hardcore" they dropped some extra coin for image instead of buying the stickers on e-bay.

I hope you people can put the same amount of passion into keeping trails open as you put into defending your rides.

Now that is really sad, buying Rubi stickers on Ebay to put on your Jeep. Do some actually do that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[MR Tool]

btw

I have a CJ-5 that I have been wheeling/breaking/fixing for the last 15 years (until I broke the frame) so I guess I'm not "hardcore"

and yes they get about 30 bucks for the stickers.

[BlueTJCO]

this is what the TK WILL HAVE>>>>>>TAKE IT FROM THE MOON!!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The new TK and TKL designs will be 2007 model year but will be introduced between January and August 2006, “when” depending entirely upon the construction progress of the new Toledo Jeep assembly plant (presently in the structural steel stage). The 4-door TKL version will be introduced first and 2007 model year production at the new facility will overlap the production of 2006 model year 2-door TJ and Unlimited TJ models at the current Toledo facility. The shorter 2-door TK’s will follow the TKL within 5 weeks. The original Jeep Toledo facility will eventually be demolished.

2) The 2-door TK will be approximately 6” wider than the TJ, and the wheelbase will be around 101”, similar to the Unlimited TJ. The 4-door TKL will share the general dimensions of the Gladiator concept, meaning about 6” wider than the TJ and with a wheelbase of 138”. (Don’t bemoan the larger dimensions, this will allow the factory to safely fit optional 33” diameter tires.) Two different packaged TKL versions will be initially available, these will be called Laredo and Rubicon. Three initial TK versions are planned, to be called SE/Sport/Rubicon.

3) Both TK and TKL will come in a single body version with full height doors and roll-up windows, integral roll cages, rear liftgate, and removable roof panels. The top options will represent solid or tinted transparent plastic – solid panels will be body paint color. Front fenders and rear fender flaress will be body-contrasting bolt-on plastic. Protective plastic body cladding will be used above the sills, save for Rubicon models which substitute diamond plate steel cladding. There is provision for storing the roof panels behind the rear seat.

4) Both TK and TKL will incorporate side impact and head restraint safety systems as well as standard airbags, soft interior surfaces, and anti-dive dashes. Unlike the full-length vehicle frames used in prior Jeep Universals, the TK and TKL will incorporate “shorty” frames with impact-absorbing structures and conventional styled bumpers at both ends. Again, don’t be displeased, an optional winch bumper will be available on front and a tow-rated receiver bumper on the rear. Tow capacity will be greater than TJ but nobody’s speculating by how much.

5) Standard engine for the TK SE will be the 2.4L 4-cylinder gas engine. Available TK optional powerplants will be limited to the 3.7L V-6. The standard TKL engine will be the 3.7L, the available option will be the 5.7-liter Hemi with MDS (multi displacement system, for 4-or-8-cylinder operating modes). Diesel engines will be available for Export vehicles only, not for US models. Available transmissions will initially include the 6-speed manual and a new (for Wrangler) 5-speed automatic. The 5-speed will include the ERS (Electronic Range Select) feature of the current WK, and should satisfy those who cannot decide between manual and automatic.

6) The remaining powertrain pieces include both part time and fulltime 4WD transfer cases derived from Mercedes SUV products, with available options that include the center ELSD (Electronic Limited Slip Differential). The same basic transfer case will be available with two different low range gears, the lower gearing being available only for the Rubicon models. AAM axles will be used on both vehicles with downsized versions standard and an available heavy duty axle for the 3.7L TK, also standard on TKL and Rubicon TK. The standard differentials will be open, with optional helical-gear LSDs “soon”. Rubicon models will have standard electric locking differentials made by AAM. Full-on electronic traction control will be available on “some” models. 4-wheel power disk brakes and power steering are standard in all TK and TKL models.

[BlueTJCO]

when you live where I live, know what I know, see what I see, and smell what I smell...then you know why I know http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's not all on the internet DRTYFN http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by MR Tool:
btw

I have a CJ-5 that I have been wheeling/breaking/fixing for the last 15 years (until I broke the frame) so I guess I'm not "hardcore"

and yes they get about 30 bucks for the stickers. POS jeep frame. Have you got a video of it breaking?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Mooncricket:
when you live where I live, know what I know, see what I see, and smell what I smell...then you know why I know http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's not all on the internet DRTYFN http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I think you meant me.

And anyway, it's all a lie. You don't know what you are talking about. It's just rumor. That is just prototype stuff you are talking about. Jeep would never do away with the soft top, they would never sell another wrangler. No one knows what Jeep will do for next year. No one has seen the Jeep Rescue..... oops TKL spy pictures. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Very wierd timing there Moon. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[BlueTJCO]

yep it was you. I just remembered reading his comment and hoped someone else would since I didnt quote it........ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifweird timing http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Originally posted by KenP:
I guess you didn't understand the answers. Too many syllables for you to handle? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And you insult our trucks. You really are a waste of sperm. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Wow more high school insults! LOL, your mommy know your on her 'puter? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Mooncricket:
yep it was you. I just remembered reading his comment and hoped someone else would since I didnt quote it........ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifweird timing http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I just meant that the discussion was had just yesterday and POP you show up with the details.

Hmmm..... where are our furry little friends that just couldn't believe.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I guess you didn't understand the answers. Too many syllables for you to handle? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And you insult our trucks. You really are a waste of sperm. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Wow more high school insults! LOL, your mommy know your on her 'puter? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>BAM!!!!!!!!!

[KenP]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I guess you didn't understand the answers. Too many syllables for you to handle? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And you insult our trucks. You really are a waste of sperm. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Wow more high school insults! LOL, your mommy know your on her 'puter? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Damnit, NO!

[2 Rubi\'s R more fun]

Originally posted by sfox:

DUDE! STOP DEFENDING JEEP...YOU AREN"T GOOD AT IT!! You are embarassing to other Jeep owners....

Seriously, why do most people buy Rubicons? For the IMAGE and nothing else. Most of the hardcore Jeep guys think about as highly of the Rubi as they do the H2 and see them as having been marketed to the same group of people. You can get a base TJ and mod it to the point it will kick the crap out of a Rubi and an H2 and still have money left over. The Rubi is great and I actually do like them, but they are about as practical a purchase as an H2 and the majority of them sold will never even be put into 4wd.

S

Dont let this guy breed, it would down the average IQ of the entire H2 community.

[KenP]

Originally posted by 2 Rubi's R more fun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:

DUDE! STOP DEFENDING JEEP...YOU AREN"T GOOD AT IT!! You are embarassing to other Jeep owners....

Seriously, why do most people buy Rubicons? For the IMAGE and nothing else. Most of the hardcore Jeep guys think about as highly of the Rubi as they do the H2 and see them as having been marketed to the same group of people. You can get a base TJ and mod it to the point it will kick the crap out of a Rubi and an H2 and still have money left over. The Rubi is great and I actually do like them, but they are about as practical a purchase as an H2 and the majority of them sold will never even be put into 4wd.

S

Dont let this guy breed, it would down the average IQ of the entire H2 community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Much the way you did to the poor ole' jeep community... Oh wait, you did it TIMES 2! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
You say you hate them because the of the predominance of the bad attitudes of the owners. Apparently that's ok. But when Dennis posts a video because of the predominance of the Jeeper's attitudes....not ok, right?

I hate airplanes because only snobby rich guys own them.
Have you heard me say that much bad about the video? The first thing I said about it was that it had false info...You guys made it clear that was its intention...OK. I actually said the video was funny comming from a Hummer owners perspective.

The biggest problem I have with the video, some of you here and the rest of the Hummer owners with the bad attitudes is simply the fact that...well...everything I have felt about Hummers and there drivers has just been strengthend by what I have read here.

Even though I figured it was a waste of time I thought maybe I could come here and see that maybe the "me and my hummer are better then you" attitude wouldn't be as strong as I see in the real world.

I was wrong..Its even stronger here. You all seem to think your **** don't stink. I have heard how much better Hummers are then ANYTHING else out there yet I have seen nothing to back that up. This thread is going on thirty pages and nowhere have I seen anything that proves you guys are so much better then the rest of us.

[BlueTJCO]

I've gone "head to head" as you would say, with a couple Rubicon owners myself. I got much farther, with less damage, and made it look much easier then any of them did. (Eagle Rock) I would guarantee that a Rubicon (other than the height) is much more capable of a vehicle then my TJ. So, again, IMHO......Driver 60%.....RIG 40%...... I'll keep throwing that out there cause this "anyone wanna challenge a rubicon" crap is kinda funny to me..........I'm open front and rear, and run a Dana 35c, anyone want some.????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by MR Tool:

Good question. I believe that 95% of the people who buy Rubicons are going to use it off-road. Why else would you drop another 7-10k for what is to the average driver a sticker on the hood, nicer wheels and a toggle swith on your dash??

I think this would depend on where you live. Around here most of the ones I see have been either built up more to wheel or wheeled hard stock.

In other parts of the country I bet its the other way around.

To be honest I have the same problem with lots of Rubicon owners and I do H2 owners.

The 5 or 10% of people who buy them because they look cool or because its the cool thing to do are jerks. Almost always.

Same thing with hummers. Im sure you guys who wheel your H2s hard are cool people. Most likely you aren't the pretentous type of ******* that gives the H2 its bad name in the wheeling world.

But without knowing true numbers I would be willing to bet that you unpretentous non-*******s that wheel your hummers make up about 5-10% of all the H2s sold.

So basicly you guys here are really getting the short end of the shaft...

Not only do you have to defend the fact that you wheel your rigs but you also have to defend the fact that you aren't a pretentous ******* with a big wallet and a small peter.
Thats gotta be rough... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
Even though I figured it was a waste of time I thought maybe I could come here and see that maybe the "me and my hummer are better then you" attitude wouldn't be as strong as I see in the real world. You got the attitude because you're full of **** and you're lieing. From DrMoab's FIRST post:
Funny. This vid has a blazer thats a jeep, a toyota thats a jeep and yet still its called a well done video. Guess that shows the brainpower of a Hummer owner.

Funny though that so far the only H2 I have run acoss on a trail is this one..


Oh yes I think he is stuck. Funny how I could drive around his jeep but his over bloated pig couldn't stay on top.

Had to pull him all the way to the plowed road because every time he moved he sank.

Guess thats what 8000Lbs of worthless GM junk gets ya. You came here to start trouble, not check our attitudes. You're a lieing sack of ****.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MR Tool:

Good question. I believe that 95% of the people who buy Rubicons are going to use it off-road. Why else would you drop another 7-10k for what is to the average driver a sticker on the hood, nicer wheels and a toggle swith on your dash??

I think this would depend on where you live. Around here most of the ones I see have been either built up more to wheel or wheeled hard stock.

In other parts of the country I bet its the other way around.

To be honest I have the same problem with lots of Rubicon owners and I do H2 owners.

The 5 or 10% of people who buy them because they look cool or because its the cool thing to do are jerks. Almost always.

Same thing with hummers. Im sure you guys who wheel your H2s hard are cool people. Most likely you aren't the pretentous type of ******* that gives the H2 its bad name in the wheeling world.

But without knowing true numbers I would be willing to bet that you unpretentous non-*******s that wheel your hummers make up about 5-10% of all the H2s sold.

So basicly you guys here are really getting the short end of the shaft...

Not only do you have to defend the fact that you wheel your rigs but you also have to defend the fact that you aren't a pretentous ******* with a big wallet and a small peter.
Thats gotta be rough... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are spot on about those here that wheel their H2s are cool. You are also correct that it is probably close to 10% of H2 owners that will take them off road, at least around here. In the overall Jeep market, I would guess that the figure isn't much higher. That is too bad for both brands. As far as your mentioning in the previous post that the Hummer owners are say that "Me and My Hummer are better than you are" (or something to that effect) really isn't true. Not from the people here that is. If you read through the thread, you don't really find comments like that IMHO. For the most part, the members of this forum and the first to say to those that drive other vehicles, just come on out with us to wheel, we will show you what it can do and you decide and we will all have a good time. If we all just stop this pissing match, there could probably be some great friendships built here.

[Mudinyeri]

I would venture to say it's pretty much the same everywhere regardless of what kind of vehicle you drive.

A good percentage of people buy "capable" off road vehicles because they think they look cool or because they buy into the outdoorsy vehicle marketing.

A smaller percentage of those same people then take thos vehicles and bolt all kinds of aftermarket parts onto them so they look (maybe are) even more capable off road.

A still smaller percentage of those same people will actually take those vehicles off road and demonstrate that they (the individual, not the vehicle) have very little capability offroad.

This last group makes up the bulk of the web wheelers on most Internet forums, IMO. They talk about modifications. They talk about how to wheel. They talk a lot but if/when you meet them in person you find out the truth.

Finally, there is a very small percentage of people who buy off road-capable vehicles to use them off road. Some of them modify the vehicles. Some of them build them from the ground up. Some of them buy them and wheel them stock right off the dealer's lot.

Internet forums have given us the good, the bad and the ugly. Good: those who want to wheel and modify their vehicles have a better means of communication than ever before. Bad: hordes of Web Wheelers are out there bragging about stuff they've never done and giving advice they're not qualified to give. The Ugly: Once in a while the Internet enables a "War of the Roses" and neither side is big enough to step back and let it end. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[BlueTJCO]

H2's suck.....I towed one out once. Hey did anyone see that video of the H2 breaking the Tie Rod? THose tie rods sure are weak. You have to have a small dick to own or even want to buy an H2....... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Feeling any more feisty?

[TBDAugs]

I don't like Rubicon's because my airhead sister in law bought one. It's called cognitive dissonance...displaced anger. If I think through it I realize it's not the ride I dislike. DrMoab, et al, have suggested similar by sighting perceived attitudes of the drivers and insisting he hates the ride. I detect similar on the Hummer side towards Jeeps.

Me, I've been a gearhead all my life and because I do have some disposable income I like different rides and owned and own a lot of them. So I guess I'm one of those so-called pinhead Hummer owners who bought the H2 simply because it's well, the H2 and I can afford it and I didn't want a more...established...Suburban and the Jeep was too small.

I remember when I bouught a 94 Viper roadster and started autocrossing with the SCCA in Oklahoma where I used to live. I was a rookie driver and of course when everyone beat me it was "Hey! I beat the Viper!"

They didn't beat the Viper, they beat the driver...but I didnt' have any moral high ground to try and explain or argue the point at the time.

US Naval War College Pretty Good Rule #2

Never wrestle with a pig, pig likes it and you both get dirty.

LtCDRAugs, retired.
2003,4 Utah State H Stock SCCA Champion
2004 Rocky Mountain H Stock SCCA Regional Champion
#14 2003 Mini Cooper

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by sfox:
Dr. Moab,

How do you know the person is a ass? Did you talk to one and he called you a peasant or something? Seriously, how many H2 owners have you actually met and spoken with? Could it be that you are doing something to put them off? Did you bathe and put on deodorant? The whole, everybody is mean to me because they are all asholes thing generally is reflective of the person with the problem actually BEING trhe problem. Are your assumptions about H2 owners founded in something other than the cost of their rigs? Do you have the same assumptions about people that own other vehicles that cost over 50k? Are you sure there is a bit of jealousy playing into your thoughts here? It sure doesn't seem to boil down to much else in your case.


Exactly. Great post. Sure, they're not jealous of people with the means to buy one (either and H2 OR Rubi). They're just SO TIRED of the endelss attitude they get from H2 owners. What? I guess I'm guilty as charged. Every time I'm at a gas station filling up I, like 95% of all H2 owners, go running around shouting "I can afford and H2 and you can't, so nah, nah, nah, nah-hah". What a load of crap. He's suggesting that the 95% that don't take their rigs offroad are, by definition, a-holes with attitudes? Give me a break. At least the 95% of H2 owners that don't wheel have the sense to buy a car that has a luxury interior and ride. The 95% of Rubi owners who don't wheel just have a poser vehicle with zero non-wheeling benefits. So who is the bigger idiot?

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrMoab:
To be honest I have the same problem with lots of Rubicon owners and I do H2 owners.

Think about that statement and please tell me why YOU have a problem AND what that problem that is.

I am really interesting to see how you response to the above question.

There are many things people do in their lives that I have no interest in, however if they have no impact on me why in the world would I have a problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alec, You will never get a real answer to that question (which I'm sure you know). There is no possible explanation other than one which points to ENVY. Not envy of the actual vehicle of course, but the means to buy one (or "throw away" money on).

P.S. I HATE fine wine because MD 20/20 does the same thing for less money.

[HummerNewbie]

P.S. I HATE fine wine because MD 20/20 does the same thing for less money.


LMAO http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
.....MD 20/20..... Is it wrong that I know what that is?

But to offset that, I know my cabs.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
.....MD 20/20..... Is it wrong that I know what that is?

But to offset that, I know my cabs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See. There you go, sticking that fine wine crap in my face. I'm so damn sick of you connoisseurs and your "my wine is better than yours" attitude. I run into you people nearly every day. Always flaunting yours ridiculously overpriced wines in my face. But hey, I know that about 5% of you will actually slug down a bottle and tie one one. So a couple of you are ok by me. Let's drink.

[KenP]

Originally posted by Mudinyeri:
I would venture to say it's pretty much the same everywhere regardless of what kind of vehicle you drive.

A good percentage of people buy "capable" off road vehicles because they think they look cool or because they buy into the outdoorsy vehicle marketing.

A smaller percentage of those same people then take thos vehicles and bolt all kinds of aftermarket parts onto them so they look (maybe are) even more capable off road.

A still smaller percentage of those same people will actually take those vehicles off road and demonstrate that they (the individual, not the vehicle) have very little capability offroad.

This last group makes up the bulk of the web wheelers on most Internet forums, IMO. They talk about modifications. They talk about how to wheel. They talk a lot but if/when you meet them in person you find out the truth.

Finally, there is a very small percentage of people who buy off road-capable vehicles to use them off road. Some of them modify the vehicles. Some of them build them from the ground up. Some of them buy them and wheel them stock right off the dealer's lot.

Internet forums have given us the good, the bad and the ugly. Good: those who want to wheel and modify their vehicles have a better means of communication than ever before. Bad: hordes of Web Wheelers are out there bragging about stuff they've never done and giving advice they're not qualified to give. The Ugly: Once in a while the Internet enables a "War of the Roses" and neither side is big enough to step back and let it end. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Works for me, muddy. Thanks.

Paragon, I thought you said But to offset that, I know my crabs. With the MD talk, I had to do a double take. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[geberhard]

I feel better now http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Could barely sleep :0 just kidding. Ok, so read as well that the new JP Wrangler, or new model will resemble somewhat the H2, like a mini H2, last JPMagazine. Any info on that?

Gui

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by geberhard:
Hey Paragon,

Did not get any apologies from ya, you are the one getting off thsi too damn easy, lol http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I apologize. There, is that better? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[RasterMaster]

HAHAHAHAH!

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
.....MD 20/20..... Is it wrong that I know what that is?

But to offset that, I know my cabs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See. There you go, sticking that fine wine crap in my face. I'm so damn sick of you connoisseurs and your "my wine is better than yours" attitude. I run into you people nearly every day. Always flaunting yours ridiculously overpriced wines in my face. But hey, I know that about 5% of you will actually slug down a bottle and tie one one. So a couple of you are ok by me. Let's drink. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by KenP:
Paragon, I thought you said<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> But to offset that, I know my crabs. With the MD talk, I had to do a double take. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I understand, MD and crabs does seem to go hand in crotch, so to speak.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by geberhard:
Ok, so read as well that the new JP Wrangler, or new model will resemble somewhat the H2, like a mini H2, last JPMagazine. Any info on that?

Gui I believe that's been covered already.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by geberhard:
Ok, so read as well that the new JP Wrangler, or new model will resemble somewhat the H2, like a mini H2, last JPMagazine. Any info on that?

Gui I believe that's been covered already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be easy on him- he's s-l-o-w.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
OK, why don't you show me your CJ fitting through trees a zuki or atv or bikes will barely fit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif In case you haven't read this thread from the beginning, you obviously still do not understand the meaning of the video.
I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, an atv is 3'~ 4' wide and a cj is 5'~ 6' wide, you would drive a cj thru two trees that are say 4.5' apart? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And if you actually spend a few mins and read this entire thread, you wouldn't be bringing up these same old arguments. Yes the vid was funny and not only to hummer owners. There have been jeep owners coming over to this board and think it was funny as well. And yes hummers have been and still are under the same light as many owners on this board will agree. Which is the point of this vid.

So you think the maker of this vid should've put a disclaimer/explanation at the end of this vid? I surely don't recall any disclaimer/explanation when I see all the crap ppl put out on the net. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't seen any response from above comments from drmoab yet.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by Alec W:

Think about that statement and please tell me why YOU have a problem AND what that problem that is.

I am really interesting to see how you response to the above question.

There are many things people do in their lives that I have no interest in, however if they have no impact on me why in the world would I have a problem.
First off. I don't automaticly see an H2 going down the road and say to myself "there goes another Prick driving an H2" . Same with Rubicons.

I will admit it...I came here with a sour attitude. You guys would have done the same.I came here...threw up some attitude...you threw back and I threw some more...and on and on.

For everything I have said...Normally I am not really the judgemental type of person.
I don't automaticly hate anyone or anything unless given a good reason too. That being said I have seen lots of judgmental attitudes from...Im not going to even say hummers...Lets just say people with affluence in fancy cars...
Be it getting cut off, or having people not use turnsignals whatever.

Here is the bottom line. If I meet you out on the trail. I am not automaticly thinking you are an ass. I will treat you with the same respect I treat anyone outdoors in whatever ride they may be in.

I will be leary of attitude though...Just like Im sure you will be of me when we meet on said trail. You will be wondering if I will show you the same judgemental attitude you see all the time.

So. There it is.

[wilfred]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
The points made about jealousy are totally lost on these guys. They don't understand the point AT ALL. It's astounding. They respond with "well I just hate them because they are too expensive". What kind of idiotic response is that?


Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive. They hate the people who buy them BECAUSE they are expensive. Some of you guys here seem to be hardcore(I guess) wheelers. Some of you might have bought your hummers because you thought it would make a good wheeling machine....Thats cool.

There is a greater number of people though who buy them soley for the status symbol. To me this is just plain stupid. Its a waste of money to do that.

I hate to tell ya guys but plain and simple...the hatred started from the attitudes of alot of Hummer owners. Not because of the price,capability,looks or anyother part of the Hummer. Its mostly just driver attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You do know there are many more SUVs on the road that cost much more than the h2, right? And yes, some ppl bought the h2 for wheeling and some ppl bought them for status symbol. What's wrong with that? What is your point? Why is it stupid? Does that mean every person that bought an expensive vehicle is stupid? Driver's attitude, so only ppl who drives h2 gives attitude. People who drives all other makes on the road does not give attitude http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:

Think about that statement and please tell me why YOU have a problem AND what that problem that is.

I am really interesting to see how you response to the above question.

There are many things people do in their lives that I have no interest in, however if they have no impact on me why in the world would I have a problem.
First off. I don't automaticly see an H2 going down the road and say to myself "there goes another Prick driving an H2" . Same with Rubicons.

I will admit it...I came here with a sour attitude. You guys would have done the same.I came here...threw up some attitude...you threw back and I threw some more...and on and on.

For everything I have said...Normally I am not really the judgemental type of person.
I don't automaticly hate anyone or anything unless given a good reason too. That being said I have seen lots of judgmental attitudes from...Im not going to even say hummers...Lets just say people with affluence in fancy cars...
Be it getting cut off, or having people not use turnsignals whatever.

Here is the bottom line. If I meet you out on the trail. I am not automaticly thinking you are an ass. I will treat you with the same respect I treat anyone outdoors in whatever ride they may be in.

I will be leary of attitude though...Just like Im sure you will be of me when we meet on said trail. You will be wondering if I will show you the same judgemental attitude you see all the time.

So. There it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fair enough

[HummerNewbie]

I agree that there are plenty of people that think they are more important than everyone else. One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone parks in a handicap spot, when they are not, just because they are too lazy to walk from a normal space. You see this kind of attitude more so from people in more expensive cars but the *******s exist in every crowd. I am by no means loaded, but I am in some circles with a lot of people with VERY serious bank accounts. They are all laid back cool people, otherwise I would not associate with them. Assume that everyone is going to be like that until they give you a reason to think otherwise.

[BlueTJCO]

ha!

[DennisAJC]

BARF!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by Alec W:
I’ll challenge you here and now. I bet I can drink more glasses of expensive wine than you can drink the cheap **** before I puke up. Oh this means you will have to use a glass and not drink straight out of the bottle so we can measure apples to apples.

Name the time and place loser!!!

You think you're so hard core.... Did you know that I bought some grape vines in 1970 and I have been making my own wine ever since? Sure it looks and tastes like ****. But this clearly shows I'm more of a REAL man than you. And yeah, I could afford a 50 cases of your expensive wine. But I PREFER not to.


P.S. I HATE fancy gas grills when a Weber charcoal one works better for less money.

[HummerNewbie]

Mooncricket, thanks to your last post I have a dilemma now. Do I puke or laugh my ass of first. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RasterMaster]

I thought Weber was the best.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

They say on the commercials, it's 'grill rated'! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
I agree that there are plenty of people that think they are more important than everyone else. One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone parks in a handicap spot, when they are not, just because they are too lazy to walk from a normal space. You see this kind of attitude more so from people in more expensive cars but the *******s exist in every crowd. I am by no means loaded, but I am in some circles with a lot of people with VERY serious bank accounts. They are all laid back cool people, otherwise I would not associate with them. Assume that everyone is going to be like that until they give you a reason to think otherwise.

While I don't see this kind of attitude more so from ppl in more expensive cars, that is one of my biggest pet peeves as well http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by Mooncricket:
ha!
So....If I agree with that...does it mean that everything I just said in that last post was complete bull****? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by wilfred:
While I don't see this kind of attitude more so from ppl in more expensive cars, that is one of my biggest pet peeves as well http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I actually see more people in POS cars parking in handicap spaces. The I am more important than you tends to be the expensive cars though.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mooncricket:
ha!
So....If I agree with that...does it mean that everything I just said in that last post was complete bull****? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I call BUL**** http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I’ll challenge you here and now. I bet I can drink more glasses of expensive wine than you can drink the cheap **** before I puke up. Oh this means you will have to use a glass and not drink straight out of the bottle so we can measure apples to apples.

Name the time and place loser!!!

You think you're so hard core.... Did you know that I bought some grape vines in 1970 and I have been making my own wine ever since? Sure it looks and tastes like ****. But this clearly shows I'm more of a REAL man than you. And yeah, I could afford a 50 cases of your expensive wine. But I PREFER not to.


P.S. I HATE fancy gas grills when a Weber charcoal one works better for less money. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's always about you "GRAPE" winos. Us "MUSCADINE" wine drinkers just get left out in the cold and shunned. That's all you ever hear about is the grape wine, but muscadine wine is just as good and can get you drunk way quicker. PLUS, unlike you uppity snobs that buy it from a bottle or had to plant your own grape vine, we muscadine winers go out in the woods and pick wild muscadines to make our wine. We are the true hardcore wine maker/drinkers.

[BlkYota]

Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlkYota:
While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

Great, another troll, but this one is different, he may not be a jeep troll but a taco troll. What's next, more pictures sharing? Or maybe more trash talking?

Listen kid, read this entire thread before you decide to make a fool of yourself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh please do tell how I am making a 'fool of myself' I merely stated that I liked both vids! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Gotta luv the knee jerk reaction this forum has!

btw - I like both vid because there is a lesson to each and EVERY crash and it is not equipment related...it is 100% driver screw ups.


Every heep owner that Ive met HATES h2's saying that they are tahoes with H2 bodies. So seriously, what are the differences between the H2 and a Tahoe aside from the 35s and lockers? Honest question as the heep owners trash yotas too. Let's see if it garners a mature answer...


ps - I dont care what the vehilce is, if its 4x4 take it off the pavement. Just around here no one ever does including yotas...drives me nuts.

It's nice to see Jeepers living in DennisAJC's thick fawkin canuckian surrender monkey skull....

BUAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Mudinyeri]

Originally posted by RasterMaster:
I thought Weber was the best.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

They say on the commercials, it's 'grill rated'! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your POS Weber can't touch my Ducane! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Mudinyeri]

Bring your Weber over here. I'll run my Ducane against it in a head-to-head (7 slot) grill off! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[DennisAJC]

I disagree Alec,

Gas is better than charcoal because of design and size configuration.

My gas BBQ can go through NARROW areas. My charcoal BBQ is just too big to fit through my pathway because of the chimney stack near the end.

Face it, Charcoal BBQs share basically the same frame as lawnchairs. They don't belong on the patio. They should stay in the garage.

[RasterMaster]

Originally posted by Mudinyeri:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RasterMaster:
I thought Weber was the best.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

They say on the commercials, it's 'grill rated'! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your POS Weber can't touch my Ducane! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

We'll be cooking Ribeye's over the FIRE next month at Paragon. To do it properly, the fire must be hot enough to make the fire ring glow red/orange. The flame must also be atleast 4' tall. Make sure the grate is in the middle of the fire.

Chargrilled baby!

[wilfred]

Originally posted by BlkYota:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlkYota:
While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

Great, another troll, but this one is different, he may not be a jeep troll but a taco troll. What's next, more pictures sharing? Or maybe more trash talking?

Listen kid, read this entire thread before you decide to make a fool of yourself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh please do tell how I am making a 'fool of myself' I merely stated that I liked both vids! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Gotta luv the knee jerk reaction this forum has!

btw - I like both vid because there is a lesson to each and EVERY crash and it is not equipment related...it is 100% driver screw ups.


Every heep owner that Ive met HATES h2's saying that they are tahoes with H2 bodies. So seriously, what are the differences between the H2 and a Tahoe aside from the 35s and lockers? Honest question as the heep owners trash yotas too. Let's see if it garners a mature answer...


ps - I dont care what the vehilce is, if its 4x4 take it off the pavement. Just around here no one ever does including yotas...drives me nuts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are making a fool of yourself by linking that vid that every other troll brings coming to this forum.

You are making a fool of yourself because you are bringing up the same old tahoe comments every (yes, every) trolls brings. And if you actually took my advice by reading this entire thread, this question has been answered way more than once not only in this thread but probably in every thread when a jeep troll comes in and probably in many many threads in other forums.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Mudinyeri:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RasterMaster:
I thought Weber was the best.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

They say on the commercials, it's 'grill rated'! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your POS Weber can't touch my Ducane! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ducane, baby! Of course mine is an early 80's model. Cook with it, if it breaks, I replace the burners, cook some more, replace the racks, and it just keeps on cooking. No need for anymore than double burners and a mesquite/hickory tray. Classic

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I disagree Alec,

Gas is better than charcoal because of design and size configuration.

My gas BBQ can go through NARROW areas. My charcoal BBQ is just too big to fit through my pathway because of the chimney stack near the end.

Face it, Charcoal BBQs share basically the same frame as lawnchairs. They don't belong on the patio. They should stay in the garage.
You guys come here with your pre conceptions of the charcoal grill's performance and dynamics but have no proof or experiance to backup your claims. I bet you don't even own a charcoal grill!!

While Charcoal grills do share some components from the basic lawnchair frame you are forgetting that they also use parts developed for the space program.

Shessh, crawl back to the gas grill forum where you belong and STFU. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Can you say, click click..... we have ignition. Not, honey.... can you go get me some more petrol.

[wilfred]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
It's nice to see Jeepers living in DennisAJC's thick fawkin canuckian surrender monkey skull....

BUAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Woohoo, how original, this jeep troll first post is name calling already. Why no pic/vid sharing?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Alec W:
.....but have no proof or experiance to backup your claims.... Proof????? Experience????? FU, I am hardcore and don't have to worry about scratches or fire rashes. This baby has cooked and keeps on cooking.

Show me pictures of your low brow charcoal grill. I bet it isn't as built as this one.

[Mudinyeri]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
.....but have no proof or experiance to backup your claims.... Proof????? Experience????? FU, I am hardcore and don't have to worry about scratches or fire rashes. This baby has cooked and keeps on cooking.

Show me pictures of your low brow charcoal grill. I bet it isn't as built as this one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, baby! Now that is a sweet-ass Ducane. I'll bet you can cook 20 burgers at a time on that mutha without even breaking an axle ... er, I mean burner.

[wilfred]

Originally posted by Alec W:
My grill can out flex your grill too

Are you gonna do a SAS on the front? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
My grill can out flex your grill too

Are you gonna do a SAS on the front? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No need too, it can out wheel, er I mean out grill a Ducane stock http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It can definitely outwheel, I've grilled the wheels off mine.

My daughter now thinks I have lost it after laughing out loud at the last pic

[Mudinyeri]

Originally posted by Alec W:
My grill can out flex your grill too

Nice articulation ... NOT!

[h2co-pilot]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No Lockers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[h2co-pilot]

I wonder what my new neighbors think.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Longhorn]

Alec -

The Toe, Caster and Camber on the front end look terrible!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Who did your alignment - Roadsurfer?

[BlkYota]

Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlkYota:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlkYota:
While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

Great, another troll, but this one is different, he may not be a jeep troll but a taco troll. What's next, more pictures sharing? Or maybe more trash talking?

Listen kid, read this entire thread before you decide to make a fool of yourself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh please do tell how I am making a 'fool of myself' I merely stated that I liked both vids! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Gotta luv the knee jerk reaction this forum has!

btw - I like both vid because there is a lesson to each and EVERY crash and it is not equipment related...it is 100% driver screw ups.


Every heep owner that Ive met HATES h2's saying that they are tahoes with H2 bodies. So seriously, what are the differences between the H2 and a Tahoe aside from the 35s and lockers? Honest question as the heep owners trash yotas too. Let's see if it garners a mature answer...


ps - I dont care what the vehilce is, if its 4x4 take it off the pavement. Just around here no one ever does including yotas...drives me nuts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are making a fool of yourself by linking that vid that every other troll brings coming to this forum.

You are making a fool of yourself because you are bringing up the same old tahoe comments every (yes, every) trolls brings. And if you actually took my advice by reading this entire thread, this question has been answered way more than once not only in this thread but probably in every thread when a jeep troll comes in and probably in many many threads in other forums. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you actually capable of reading for any kind of comprehension?? Your posts seem to indicate otherwise.

I bring the tahoe comment up because that is what EVERY heep owner spouts-off about. I couldn't care less either way other than to shut up the heep owners if they are incorrect.

And finally, I am NOT going to waste the next 4hrs looking for info in a post flame war of whose penis is larger than whose. Spell it out here and now or hold your peace.

[PARAGON]

BlkYota:

<font size=7>STFU</font>

If you don't have the common courtesy to read then move on. You picked this forum and this thread.

[BlkYota]

hehehehe gas here, mine does some really cool tricks like making a huge "WHOOSH" sound and generating a gigantic fireball that takes your eyebrows off!

I was scaring people for weeks with my permanent surprised look - they often would spin around thinking there was some kind of monster behind them!!

Evidentally the whole trick my grille performed inspired a very juvenile fit of mirth from my cousin Chris! He had this absolutely ludicris idea of lighting the match BEFORE you turned on the gas! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RasterMaster]

It's not about the grill....it's about how you use the charcoal!

[h2co-pilot]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Oooooh, Does Jeep have a grill? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Mudinyeri]

Why, yes, it does ...

http://991thewhale.com/images/JeepLogowGrill.jpg

... a seven slot grill, nonetheless.

[RasterMaster]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Mudinyeri]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No Lockers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Looks like the wheelbase on that panty-waist Weber is too short to make it up those ledges! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

When your really serious about grillin, you go Char-Broil Commercial Series baby

[HummerNewbie]

And when you have all day to cook and plenty of beer to last, you turn to the smoker with oak or cherry http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Battlebugs]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No Lockers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif



Wow, H2CP are those 6.5" x 1.5" PGGs (Patio and Grass Grapplers)? I was thinking about mounting some 7" x 2"s...think they would rub? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[h2co-pilot]

LMAO! PGG's http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

They might- mine did at first, but then after wheeling across the deck a couple of times they seem to be alright. Very quiet on the patio concrete too- which is nice. They match the aluminum bling I added on the grease catcher. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[h2co-pilot]

Originally posted by Mudinyeri:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No Lockers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Looks like the wheelbase on that panty-waist Weber is too short to make it up those ledges! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's all about who's pushing it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by Alec W:
My grill can out flex your grill too
ha ha...that thing flexes about as good as most H2s I see.

[CO Hummer]

I here that DRTY is coming out with a new grill. Rumor has it that it will be available in a 5-7 years. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have you seen Dennis' new Grill?

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I here that DRTY is coming out with a new grill. Rumor has it that it will be available in a 5-7 years. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have you seen Dennis' new Grill?

You kep me owt of dis round eye! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Me like my bar bee koo berry berry much! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

P.S. NOT MY BBQ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[CO Hummer]

Hey, I was just thinking....

When in the FUdennis.com website going to be released?

[NAILER341]

nice job on the video...
too bad you cant differentiate a jeep from a toyota.... nor a suburban!
another suggestion is to learn the difference between they're = "they are" and their... there?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/pupntaco/jerryb.jpg

funny stuff. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://cetrov.com/videos/DSC00579.JPG

have a look at this speed bump leading to the mall http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by Battlebugs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No Lockers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif



Wow, H2CP are those 6.5" x 1.5" PGGs (Patio and Grass Grapplers)? I was thinking about mounting some 7" x 2"s...think they would rub? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! I think I have a pic of Alec's BBQ breakin a tie wrap. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I here that DRTY is coming out with a new grill. Rumor has it that it will be available in a 5-7 years. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have you seen Dennis' new Grill?

You kep me owt of dis round eye! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Me like my bar bee koo berry berry much! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

P.S. NOT MY BBQ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yumm, spiral sliced ham! Thanks for the pic Dennis.

[wilfred]

Originally posted by NAILER341:
nice job on the video...
too bad you cant differentiate a jeep from a toyota.... nor a suburban!
another suggestion is to learn the difference between they're = "they are" and their... there?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/pupntaco/jerryb.jpg

funny stuff. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://cetrov.com/videos/DSC00579.JPG

have a look at this speed bump leading to the mall http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What is this? The 12th jeep trolls jumping into this thread? Sigh, listen nailer341, read this entire thread before posting more pics, it's getting really old. You jeep trolls come in with the exact same pattern everytime, every troll. Posting pics/vids, making sarcastic remarks, and blah blah blah. Read this thread and see if you can understand the meaning behind the video.

I trust you won't have problem reading since you are the one suggesting how to spell. Unlike this taco troll couple pages ago claiming it will take him 4 hours to read http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif English must not be his first language http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[happyguts]

hey guys nice thread.. haha very amusing.. good to see all forums arent any different..
I like the video but I do feel you left out a few very important yet funny clips..
this will show them jeepers for sure haha..
http://wwnet.net/~laurajeff/HummerRoll.mpeg
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html
http://web1.servforce.com/~cj8/index.html http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[NAILER341]

lol... funny how when a jeeper comes here it is a "troll" but when an elcova member posts on a jeeping board it is called something else?

its all in fun.... as you can see, i am rescuing one of your own http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


What is this? The 12th jeep trolls jumping into this thread? Sigh, listen nailer341, read this entire thread before posting more pics, it's getting really old. You jeep trolls come in with the exact same pattern everytime, every troll. Posting pics/vids, making sarcastic remarks, and blah blah blah. Read this thread and see if you can understand the meaning behind the video.

I trust you won't have problem reading since you are the one suggesting how to spell. Unlike this taco troll couple pages ago claiming it will take him 4 hours to read http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif English must not be his first language http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]

[wilfred]

Originally posted by happyguts:
hey guys nice thread.. haha very amusing.. good to see all forums arent any different..
I like the video but I do feel you left out a few very important yet funny clips..
this will show them jeepers for sure haha..
http://wwnet.net/~laurajeff/HummerRoll.mpeg
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html
http://web1.servforce.com/~cj8/index.html http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hmm, make that the 13th troll. And yes, exact same pattern everytime, every troll.

Oh yeah, happyguts, you're real original coming in here showing us those links we've never seen before http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[happyguts]

haha all I wanted is what you just gave me..
sorry sweety.
I know only one thing about hummers..
noone in australia buys them to wheel. not that Ive seen anyway.
besides.. they look like a glorified jeep anyhow.
more power to you.. and your friends.. let the name calling begin.
I forgot to say.. good work on your forum..
but I guess you dont want to hear that from a troll..
Jeeps cop **** here all the time.. cause everyone owns a nissan or a toyota..
so dont get your panties too bunched up.. I know how you feel

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I here that DRTY is coming out with a new grill. Rumor has it that it will be available in a 5-7 years. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have you seen Dennis' new Grill?

LOL! Atleast we don't have to carry around the damn propane tank in MOAB. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by happynuts:
I know only one thing about hummers.. Your momma sucks?

BTW, the guys on the RUBI forum are pretty cool. Not ONE bad thing said. I guess they're the SMART jeep owners. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Now for the important stuff:

How often do you guys clean your grill? I usually brush mine before each use and clean it at each refill.

[wilfred]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I here that DRTY is coming out with a new grill. Rumor has it that it will be available in a 5-7 years. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have you seen Dennis' new Grill?

You kep me owt of dis round eye! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Me like my bar bee koo berry berry much! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

P.S. NOT MY BBQ http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know where you got this one, but it is nothing like the chinese i am used to. This one look... voodoo-rized croatian or something http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Darn, I forgot to mention I think it's time for a larger grill. I like gas for the convenience. I know charcoal is best, but I have to do what I have to do....

I don't want to bust the seams on one either. Just something larger from Lowe's or Home Depot. What recommendations do you all have?

[happyguts]

why cant we all just,.. get along.

[KenP]

I have a small Weber now... WE have a small Weber now. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

What about other brands and sizes. Looking to cook for around 15 people everyother weekend.

I hate the igniters. It doesn't seem to matter what they say at the store... The damn thing lasts one week!

[7]

i havent read all the responses so perhaps some of these issues have already been addressed.

i have to make several comments on the anti-jeep video. it begins with the scene of the woman jeeper rolling down hells gate. one thing i never saw in your video however, has an h2 even attempting hells gate. i have to wonder why that is?

the next scene shows a "heavily modified jeep" on potato salad. the video quality is poor, but that looks like a pick up truck to me. its possible that its a jeep truck but just because it may be a jeep truck does not make it a jeep.

the runaway down the lions back is a chevy blazer....you know, the h2 cousin (since the h2 is a tahoe with big tires).

the next scene shows a jeep liberty as trail rated for the mall. no respectable jeeper will argue this. the liberty is made by jeep, but it is not a jeep, nor is it accepted as one.

the next scene shows a couple h2's climbing hills that i could ride in my 4 year old daughters barbie jeep. big deal. if you want to show me an h2 action video, show me a video like this: http://7SlotGrille.com/multimedia/rubiford.html

climbing lions back is respectable, but lets face it theres no real challenge there. a subaru outback would handle lions den.

the next scene says "yj, tj, liberty... same frame same parts same result". at best this is bad information, at worst its simply a lie. a liberty doesnt even have a frame, its unibody. the liberty has a short arm IFS system (you know, just like the h2). the liberty uses a high revving v6 engine. the yj and tj are rigid frame builds with _real_ front axles and an inline 6 with a very flat torque curve.

the crack segment was impressive. im amazed to see such a large battleship make it through. good job there.

the jeep stuck in the mud with the h2 recovery sign was stupid. it would have been fine if the video showed an h2 attempting the same hole afterwards. since it didnt its a very hollow victory.

the hitler segment was disgusting.

there were many pictures of stuck jeeps but none of them were followed by an h2 trying the same spots. try watching this video, and learn a little about credibility: http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/hummervsxj.html

when youre done laughing, enjoy these:

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/whyhummerssuck.html

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/deadh2.html

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/h2tr.wmv

and no trip down reality lane would be complete without the final authority on jeep vs. hummer as: http://7SlotGrille.com/hummer

this is just a small taste. i have video of stock jeep rubicons riding upper trail #2 at tellico. funny thing, ive _never_ seen an h2 at tellico. i wonder why that is?

certainly my response is intended as humorous. afterall, nobody could seriously believe that an h2 is anywhere near as capable as a short wheel base live axle jeep. :-)

[wilfred]

Originally posted by happyguts:
haha all I wanted is what you just gave me..
sorry sweety.
I know only one thing about hummers..
noone in australia buys them to wheel. not that Ive seen anyway.
besides.. they look like a glorified jeep anyhow.
more power to you.. and your friends.. let the name calling begin.
I forgot to say.. good work on your forum..
but I guess you dont want to hear that from a troll..
Jeeps cop **** here all the time.. cause everyone owns a nissan or a toyota..
so dont get your panties too bunched up.. I know how you feel

No one in australia buys them to wheel.. Hmmm... Maybe, just maybe, because they are not widely available over there? Are HUMMERS brought in officially or do you have to go thru the gray market? I didn't see any hummers when i was there.

Everyone owns patrols & troopies? Are you sure? I do recall seeing many pajeros & defenders on & off roads... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wilfred]

Originally posted by 7:
i havent read all the responses so perhaps some of these issues have already been addressed.

i have to make several comments on the anti-jeep video. it begins with the scene of the woman jeeper rolling down hells gate. one thing i never saw in your video however, has an h2 even attempting hells gate. i have to wonder why that is?

the next scene shows a "heavily modified jeep" on potato salad. the video quality is poor, but that looks like a pick up truck to me. its possible that its a jeep truck but just because it may be a jeep truck does not make it a jeep.

the runaway down the lions back is a chevy blazer....you know, the h2 cousin (since the h2 is a tahoe with big tires).

the next scene shows a jeep liberty as trail rated for the mall. no respectable jeeper will argue this. the liberty is made by jeep, but it is not a jeep, nor is it accepted as one.

the next scene shows a couple h2's climbing hills that i could ride in my 4 year old daughters barbie jeep. big deal. if you want to show me an h2 action video, show me a video like this: http://7SlotGrille.com/multimedia/rubiford.html

climbing lions back is respectable, but lets face it theres no real challenge there. a subaru outback would handle lions den.

the next scene says "yj, tj, liberty... same frame same parts same result". at best this is bad information, at worst its simply a lie. a liberty doesnt even have a frame, its unibody. the liberty has a short arm IFS system (you know, just like the h2). the liberty uses a high revving v6 engine. the yj and tj are rigid frame builds with _real_ front axles and an inline 6 with a very flat torque curve.

the crack segment was impressive. im amazed to see such a large battleship make it through. good job there.

the jeep stuck in the mud with the h2 recovery sign was stupid. it would have been fine if the video showed an h2 attempting the same hole afterwards. since it didnt its a very hollow victory.

the hitler segment was disgusting.

there were many pictures of stuck jeeps but none of them were followed by an h2 trying the same spots. try watching this video, and learn a little about credibility: http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/hummervsxj.html

when youre done laughing, enjoy these:

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/whyhummerssuck.html

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/deadh2.html

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/h2tr.wmv

and no trip down reality lane would be complete without the final authority on jeep vs. hummer as: http://7SlotGrille.com/hummer

this is just a small taste. i have video of stock jeep rubicons riding upper trail #2 at tellico. funny thing, ive _never_ seen an h2 at tellico. i wonder why that is?

certainly my response is intended as humorous. afterall, nobody could seriously believe that an h2 is anywhere near as capable as a short wheel base live axle jeep. :-)

And you should read all the responses because every issues have been addressed too many times. That's why you will also find many unrelated topics within because most of the veterans of this forum are bored with all the jeep trolls jumping in and doing the same thing again & again & again ...

[DennisAJC]

7,

The video links that you just posted IS the reason I made this H2 Tribute Video.

By your reaction and negativity, I have achieved the result I was hoping.

Listen buddy,

The stuff I put in that video about the jeeps were in whole NOT TRUE. I'm sure you already know that. I just wanted you guys to feel the torment we've been going through this past 3 years.

The BS that's being flung around about us, it's only inevitable we would reach a breaking point.

Put yourself in our shoes and see the message.
On the internet we'll battle. Out on the trails, we should stick together. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways, this thread has changed. Unless you have any sick BBQ pics, these guys won't be interested anymore. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Welcome to our HELL. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[happyguts]

hehe sheesh guys.. we cop the same **** as you.. dont fret.. I thought it was all on good fun..
sorry I left out disco's and whatever the other on was you mentioned.. considering by his own admission his video was in fact to get a rise and not all that factual I would have assumed you lads would be good at a little friendly banter.. oh well.. my bad..
Im off to drink my latte and cook some t-bones on my non webber BBQ

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by 7:
i havent read all the responses so perhaps some of these issues have already been addressed.

i have to make several comments on the anti-jeep video. it begins with the scene of the woman jeeper rolling down hells gate. one thing i never saw in your video however, has an h2 even attempting hells gate. i have to wonder why that is?

the next scene shows a "heavily modified jeep" on potato salad. the video quality is poor, but that looks like a pick up truck to me. its possible that its a jeep truck but just because it may be a jeep truck does not make it a jeep.

the runaway down the lions back is a chevy blazer....you know, the h2 cousin (since the h2 is a tahoe with big tires).

the next scene shows a jeep liberty as trail rated for the mall. no respectable jeeper will argue this. the liberty is made by jeep, but it is not a jeep, nor is it accepted as one.

the next scene shows a couple h2's climbing hills that i could ride in my 4 year old daughters barbie jeep. big deal. if you want to show me an h2 action video, show me a video like this: http://7SlotGrille.com/multimedia/rubiford.html

climbing lions back is respectable, but lets face it theres no real challenge there. a subaru outback would handle lions den.

the next scene says "yj, tj, liberty... same frame same parts same result". at best this is bad information, at worst its simply a lie. a liberty doesnt even have a frame, its unibody. the liberty has a short arm IFS system (you know, just like the h2). the liberty uses a high revving v6 engine. the yj and tj are rigid frame builds with _real_ front axles and an inline 6 with a very flat torque curve.

the crack segment was impressive. im amazed to see such a large battleship make it through. good job there.

the jeep stuck in the mud with the h2 recovery sign was stupid. it would have been fine if the video showed an h2 attempting the same hole afterwards. since it didnt its a very hollow victory.

the hitler segment was disgusting.

there were many pictures of stuck jeeps but none of them were followed by an h2 trying the same spots. try watching this video, and learn a little about credibility: http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/hummervsxj.html

when youre done laughing, enjoy these:

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/whyhummerssuck.html

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/deadh2.html

http://7slotgrille.com/multimedia/hummers/h2tr.wmv

and no trip down reality lane would be complete without the final authority on jeep vs. hummer as: http://7SlotGrille.com/hummer

this is just a small taste. i have video of stock jeep rubicons riding upper trail #2 at tellico. funny thing, ive _never_ seen an h2 at tellico. i wonder why that is?

certainly my response is intended as humorous. afterall, nobody could seriously believe that an h2 is anywhere near as capable as a short wheel base live axle jeep. :-)

It is amazing how the threat of the Hummer to their wheeling kingdom will cause a Jeep site to dedicate all that space to bashing Hummers. Get a clue you idiot. You don't see that sh*t here. The only time the Jeep is bashed here is in response to trolls coming in and bashing Hummers. I feel so sorry for you that you feel so threatened by Hummers that you have to dedicate so much of your time bashing them. Maybe you should get a life and just go out and wheel with some. Maybe then you could let your narrow little scared mind wrap around the fact that the Hummer is an EXTREMELY capable vehicle and you can put you petty jealousy behind you http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by happyguts:
hehe sheesh guys.. we cop the same **** as you.. dont fret.. I thought it was all on good fun..
sorry I left out disco's and whatever the other on was you mentioned.. considering by his own admission his video was in fact to get a rise and not all that factual I would have assumed you lads would be good at a little friendly banter.. oh well.. my bad..
Im off to drink my latte and cook some t-bones on my non webber BBQ

Webber, oh man, you have got to get a real grill http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now that you are on the correct topic, you are no longer in the wrong forum http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[happyguts]

NON webber dewd..
got a good marinade recipe .. something with a little bite to it..

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by happyguts:
NON webber dewd..
got a good marinade recipe .. something with a little bite to it..

Almost always marinade. Been working on getting it perfect for some time now. Always enjoy the taste testing http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[h2co-pilot]

What? Is it recipes now you fruity little queens. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[happyguts]

mmm spicy fruit marinade..
I think your onto something darling http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
What? Is it recipes now you fruity little queens. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Good reason for another post http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Screeper]

I am so tired of every critic of the H2 jumping on the tie rods being weak. Yes they suck, but you know what you can do... Replace them with better ones!!! I am a huge jeep fan and have owned several through the years. Having done this I know that the jeep is awesome off road, with serious modifications. They come from the factory with tires to small need replaced. (Usually first thing any jeeper does) This leads to a lift kit. Big tires usually overwhelm weak axles as I bent my Dana 35 first time off road(Replaced with Dana 44, always worried about Dana 30 in front) It will now need more power so switch those gears out next. Jeeps are great, they are like Harley Davidsons, no one wants to ride around on a stock one. Jeep created the Rubicon for the same reasons that I bought my H2. It comes to the buyer ready to go (Although tires are still too small and Dana 44s are far from being considered strong for anything larger then a 35 inch tire. Yes I love my H2 as it is a great package, combining capability and luxury. I also love jeeps for there capability and ease of modification. I was glad to see the people that actually read through this thread come to an understanding. Not better vehicles, just different.

[KenP]

Here's a marinade that's used by a local rest.:
Sugar
Sherry
Pineapple juice
Teriyaki
It's good if you like it sweet.

Myself, I just toss whatever I feel like into a ziplock and let it sit for a while.

GRILLS.
Thanks for the suggestion, Seth. Maybe a smoker in the future, too.

[DrMoab]

Originally posted by KenP:
BTW, the guys on the RUBI forum are pretty cool. Not ONE bad thing said. I guess they're the SMART jeep owners. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
No...they aren't any smarter...they are just used to getting the same **** you guys get.

They know how you all feel. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Benz0]

Originally posted by DrMoab:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
BTW, the guys on the RUBI forum are pretty cool. Not ONE bad thing said. I guess they're the SMART jeep owners. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
No...they aren't any smarter...they are just used to getting the same **** you guys get.

They know how you all feel. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol that is soooo true...

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by KenP:
Here's a marinade that's used by a local rest.:
Sugar
Sherry
Pineapple juice
Teriyaki
It's good if you like it sweet.


Close to mine but there are several secret ingredients I can't tell you about http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Originally posted by KenP:
Myself, I just toss whatever I feel like into a ziplock and let it sit for a while.

Ziplocks are the best for marinading. I just have a little trouble finding the 2 gallon bags sometimes http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[H2Finally]

Sfox, CHARCOAL??? I can't believe you had to kill a tree after you kill a cow.. you... you... MONSTER! Tread lightly? You're ALL TALK aren't you?! GAS is the way to go!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

702 posts, 36 pages & 13121 views in 6 days!!! I think that's a record.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

And 5 of those pages were dedicated to BBQs http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

It's a damn great thread when you can sit around and watch a great video with the BBQ. There is only on thing missing. Who was supposed to bring the beer? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
It's a damn great thread when you can sit around and watch a great video with the BBQ. There is only on thing missing. Who was supposed to bring the beer? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The newbie always brings the beer.... Duh.

[HummerNewbie]

Oh SH*T http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Forget I said anything http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
It's a damn great thread when you can sit around and watch a great video with the BBQ. There is only on thing missing. Who was supposed to bring the beer? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The newbie always brings the beer.... Duh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HN,

Make mine Canadian beer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Silver Bullet reeks.

[HummerNewbie]

Sorry everyone, but had a little trouble on my way to the servers to deliver the beer http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Dennis, if you look real close, there is a case of Canadian beer in there for you http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[pirate cralwer]

Nice post if this is yours , (and don't take it as a flame either)and I m sorry to hear that your family had to deal with this kind of crap. tread lightly.

Originally Posted by DennisAJC
Guys,


I bought my Pewter H2 in Nov 2002, delivered March 2003. I wanted a capable wheeler where I could bring my family and not sacrafice on space for gear and stuff. Grand Cherokee was not going to do that for me IMHO.

I'm not a fan of BLING and I wheel when I can. I'm not afraid to take risks and I'll push my limits without worrying too much about carnage let alone scratches. I'm just like you, I work hard, play hard, and joke alot.

I've found a handful of H2 wheelers who feel the same way. We're all spread apart by hundreds/thousands of miles but we try and get together in MOAB about twice a year with other Jeeps/Discos/Yotas.

For almost 3 years now, my H2 has been spat on, kicked, keyed, heckled, egged.

When I drive it I get yelled at, fingered at, laughed at, cut off, threatened. Even with my wife and two boys 2 and 5 now.

On the trails, same thing.

I use to belong to Jeep Forum because of my past. The hate and misinformation about the H2 has been flung around that site uncontrollably for years now. Just these few months it started spreading into our Forum and the war began.

There wasn't much fight in us because most of the H2ers were ex and present Jeep owners also and we staill had a certain loyalty to the brand. The mocking and misinformation continued until there was a breaking point. Jerry Bransford.

BTW. Jerry Bransford has some pretty ****ty comments about Rubi's also just in case somebody here vouches for him.


ALL THE THINGS STATED AGAINST THE JEEP IN THAT VIDEO ARE FALSE.

The video was just an excercise in "how does it feel" when the tables are turned. What we've gone through over the years. If I spread lies about their rigs the way they spread lies about ours? The Saddam and Hitler was distasteful but purely for shock effect.

Sure watching idiots bling their rides and some who'll never(About 95%)see a gravel road, doesn't help our reputation. But you can't do that kind **** to a fellow wheeler and judge him by what he drives whithout knowing the driver.

Everyone now says H2ers are *******s and snobs...

Over the years of fist fights,arguments,middle fingers, and heckles, H2 owners including myself, have developed "Tunnel Vision" which can be mistaken as snooty. I'm just weary to look at the driver next to me or passing a fellow wheeler and run the risk of getting "The response". Even the majority of H1 owners shun us. Mabye 70% of wheelers I've approached to say hi and talk shop have been bad experiences so I just stopped doing that unless they approached me.

Jeepers and Rubicons that have wheeled with us, know we are an EXTREMELY friendly bunch. We will run to aid anyone who asks and will buy a fellow wheeler a beer or ten.

We already have enviromentalists issues to deal with but to have the wheelin community come down on you on top of that, can you blame us?

Some here will say that rivalries have happened for years, but have you heard of a FUjeep, FUrubicon,FUyota.com before? FUH2 is a thorn.

If you visit our Forum, come as a fellow wheeler ,be friends and possible cross paths for fun and booze. Come in to insult us, like any Forum, you guys know what the response will be. We're not bad people. We're just like you. But fed up. 3 years of BS vs 1 week of Video, call it even.

We DEFINITELY DON'T have a beef with Rubicon Owners Forum and do not wish to have one....Please.

Thanks for your time. Again, I am truly sorry this has reached your Forum and disrupted Rubicon Members. It was never intended.[/QUOTE]

[DennisAJC]

Yup, That's me.

This was intended for the fued between JF and us. NEVER expected it would get out of hand and disrupt other forums.

The folks at Rubicon Owners Forum are a genuinely great bunch of people and I felt they deserved an explanation.

Nothing I've said above is new. This is the message most H2 owners have been trying to relay for years now. It's unfortunate it took a video for it to be heard.

[HummerNewbie]

I don't think it could have been said any better than that. Well done Dennis, both on that post and with the video http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[hoss75]

the next scene shows a jeep liberty as trail rated for the mall. no respectable jeeper will argue this. the liberty is made by jeep, but it is not a jeep, nor is it accepted as one.

See, I go through the same BS you guys do.. and this guy really believes this BS. Hey '7' why don't you wheel with a few KJs from LOST ( http://www.lostkjs.com ) before you pass judgement like that. What's the popular saying here? Oh yeah, GFY.

To Dennis.. while I still wish you hadn't put the Hitler/Hussien shots in there (video would have been just as effective without them IMHO) I think you've accomplished what you wanted and after all the tempers flair down I think the H2 community just might be a bit better off. I know I don't look at them the same anymore. Also, if you do'nt mind I'm going to copy your post from the Rubi forums onto the LOST forums..

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by hoss75:
I'm going to copy your post from the Rubi forums onto the LOST forums..

HA! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HeimenHummer]

To the victory come the spoils of war.

Cut and posting your message Dennis. Bravo!

[CO Hummer]

Dennis,

When are yellow H2 "ridestrong" armbands going to be released?

And, I'd like to be the first to volunteer for the H2 "we are the world" soundtrack.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

You don't just come on a forum without giving a little background on yourself.

What kind if grill do you use and what types of wine do you drink?

[CO Hummer]

Any truth the rumor that Jerry is really Mac?

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

You don't just come on a forum without giving a little background on yourself.

What kind if grill do you use and what types of wine do you drink? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weber, white zinfandel in a box.

I am not happy at all about you guys quoting me in that video. The H2's tie rod is notoriously weak, so I don't know what you are complaining about.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Any truth the rumor that Jerry is really Mac?

I have no idea who Mac is, rest assured I am not him.

[7]

Originally posted by wilfred:
And you should read all the responses because every issues have been addressed too many times. perhaps youre right.


all the jeep trolls jumping in and doing the same thing again & again & again ... it was not my intention to troll your forum and i apologize if thats how my response was perceived. i didnt read anywhere in your TOS about opposing viewpoints so i figured that an opposing view would be acceptable.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

Seriously, Did you read the entire thread yet?

Seriously, It's only been said by Dennis about 73 times.

Seriously,

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

Seriously, Did you read the entire thread yet?

Seriously, It's only been said by Dennis about 73 times.

Seriously, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are all H2 owner's this way? I'm just looking for a dialogue here.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you? Pffff, I can’t believe you are even asking this question are you trying say you are innocent of any H2 bashing?

You actually were the last straw that drove Dennis to make this video Jerry. You spouted untruths about the H2 on JF, you made assumptions and generally dissed H2 big time. I am sure someone will cut and paste some of your drivel, well the crap you did not already delete since yourself (you are an admin).

Anyhow this thread is over, it’s now about BBQs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You guys probably buy char-broils http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

Seriously, Did you read the entire thread yet?

Seriously, It's only been said by Dennis about 73 times.

Seriously, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are all H2 owner's this way? I'm just looking for a dialogue here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jerry, after reading the ignorant **** you've posted about H2s I can't believe you'd have the gall to slither in here. All I've ever seen come out of your mouth is "Tahoe this" & "Tahoe that", all the while thinking you're so witty. You're a pathetic old prick.

[7]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
> By your reaction and negativity, I have achieved the result I was hoping. negativity? my response was intended to be both informative and humorous. i was not attempting to insult anyone or suggest that the h2 was "bad". it is what it is...in many applications id rather have an h2 than a jeep, and in many others id rather have a jeep. both vehicles are built for specific purposes. the h2 is primarily an on road vehicle with respectable off road capability within the limits of its size and weight. the SWB jeep is primarily built for off road usage with "decent" (by loose standards, anyway) highway manners. to claim that a SWB jeep will be as comfortable on a 2000 mile trip would be as ridiculous as stating that a stock h2 would be as capable as a stock jeep rubicon on the rubicon trail.


The stuff I put in that video about the jeeps were in whole NOT TRUE. I'm sure you already know that. .....i sorta figured. :-)


I just wanted you guys to feel the torment we've been going through this past 3 years. now that i dont understand at all. if you dont like my apples, dont shake my tree. if you dont like my jeep you can poke all the fun you want, i dont care! i didnt buy my jeep to make anyone else happy or to seek the approval of others. i bought it to take me where i want to go. it may not work for you and thats fine. by the same token, many jeepers laugh at h2s not because of the h2, but because of the attitude of many h2 owners. dont sweat it, it means nothing. personally i find the rivalry humorous and i enjoy a good h2 joke as much as many of you enjoy a good jeep joke. in the end it means nothing. load up your kids and take them camping and wheeling for the weekend.


The BS that's being flung around about us, it's only inevitable we would reach a breaking point. you say that with such conviction (er, as much as i can tell from printed text anyway) that it sounds almost like you cant vote. you arent being forced to sit in the back of the bus or drink from another fountain.....you just have one segment of offroad motorsports poking fun at your segment. really, it means nothing.


On the internet we'll battle. Out on the trails, we should stick together. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif exactly!. when i see your busted up h2 on the side of the trail ill be the first to offer you a strap and i wont even take pictures of the recovery. ;-)

.....all in good fun.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

Seriously, Did you read the entire thread yet?

Seriously, It's only been said by Dennis about 73 times.

Seriously, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are all H2 owner's this way? I'm just looking for a dialogue here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jerry, after reading the ignorant **** you've posted about H2s I can't believe you'd have the gall to slither in here. All I've ever seen come out of your mouth is "Tahoe this" & "Tahoe that", all the while thinking you're so witty. You're a pathetic old prick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch. So H2's are not built on Tahoe platforms?

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Ouch. So H2's are not built on Tahoe platforms?

So there are a couple of non alcohol-soaked brain cells left in your cranium.

[7]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:It is amazing how the threat of the Hummer to their wheeling kingdom lol....do you really think the h2 threatens the jeep within or segment (particularly rock crawling)? please tell me your response is emotional and you dont really believe that.


will cause a Jeep site to dedicate all that space to bashing Hummers. nah, its done because its fun.


Get a clue you idiot. ouch...didnt take you long to take the low road. im sorry to see it. it isnt my intention to get you upset.


I feel so sorry for you that you feel so threatened by Hummers that you have to dedicate so much of your time bashing them. dont feel sorry for me, im having fun and a few laughs along the way.


Maybe you should get a life and just go out and wheel with some. find one capable of tellico trail #2 and that just might happen one day. i recently traded my '05 rubicon (http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html) (owned it 2 whole months!) but i do have a cj8 scrambler project in the works.


the Hummer is an EXTREMELY capable vehicle im sure it is, ive never questioned its capabilities. its foolish to bleieve however, that its off road prowess equals that of a SWB jeep, particularly where big rocks live.


you can put you petty jealousy behind you "jealousy"? i keep seeing this as if anyone not worshipping the hummer cant afford one. heh....do you really know enough about me to make that judgement?

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Ouch. So H2's are not built on Tahoe platforms?

So there are a couple of non alcohol-soaked brain cells left in your cranium. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.4x44u.com/Features/MoabH2/

"The Hummer H2 is based on the GMT820 platform, the very same platform that provides the underpinnings for the Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Avalanche and all of GM’s other full-size trucks"

So basically, an H2 is a shortened Tahoe with a locker and 35's. Where was I wrong again?

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So there are a couple of non alcohol-soaked brain cells left in your cranium.

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That was funny. You know DRTY - reading your stuff is even funnier after meeting you.


I'm sure this is just a troll posing as Jerry. No way would he slink in here to take the beating he is going to get.

[7]

Originally posted by sfox:
[quote]You really do sound sort of retarded posting on this thread with this crap now that it is about BBQ grills yeah i guess im silly for actually reading the subject header.

Yes, H2's have completed Hell's Gate without a lot of effort, the LWB is a major advatange.[/color]ill have take your word for it because i sure didnt see it in the video. im not suggesting that it cant or hasnt been done, only stating that it would have been appropriate to show it if youre going to show the jeep rolling down it.

[quote]Way to tread lightly there sport! awesome, wasnt it? :-)

Because we generally don't stand around waiting for Jeeps to fail with cameras ready like SOME Jeep guys. so youre saying that you saw an h2 go through the same hole? trying a failing is a lot more respectable than not trying at all (er, to a point).


you seem so threatened by them...like you have some sort of complex that an H2 is gonna show you up...or has that already happened?? lol oh yes. im extremely affraid of seeing an h2 on the trail.

cause ill be stuck behind him for hours waiting on someone to drag him off the trail. ;-)

relax, im only kidding. :-)

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by 7:
i recently traded my '05 rubicon (http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html)

Repo-ed

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by Alec W:
You know what this whole Tahoe thing stupid, let’s be ****ing real here.

Your intent with the Tahoe reference is purely to belittle our trucks, nothing more nothing less.

The argument about the frame platform is just semantics about the definition of the word “platform” because we tried to argue one of the many things that are different.

If you are seriously this ignorant or blinded by your hate for our trucks go **** yourself and stop wasting our bandwidth.

OK, just checking to make sure I wasnt missing something. I truly just want to understand you guys. In the end, we're all wheelers.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So there are a couple of non alcohol-soaked brain cells left in your cranium.

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That was funny. You know DRTY - reading your stuff is even funnier after meeting you.


I'm sure this is just a troll posing as Jerry. No way would he slink in here to take the beating he is going to get. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, with his bloated ego, I'm sure he crawled in for more attention. Slimy old skunk.

[7]

Originally posted by hoss75:
[quote]See, I go through the same BS you guys do. you sure got it rough!


Hey '7' why don't you wheel with a few KJs from LOST guess what, i have. see http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3 if youll take time to read what i wrote about the liberty youll see i gave it all the credit it deserves. that doesnt put it in the same league as my rubicon, but it does deserve the credit i gave it.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
OK, just checking to make sure I wasnt missing something. I truly just want to understand you guys. In the end, we're all wheelers.

You're such a POS. And I wouldn't call you a wheeler. A low life weasel, sure. But not a wheeler. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[CO Hummer]

Where was I wrong again?

Jerry,
I've seen guys on COPS do a better "what me? I'm innocent" routine.

[DennisAJC]

Welcome Jerry http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I'm glad you've taken some time off from your actiong career. Have you completed shooting NAKED GUN 8 1/2?

The Moderator here is all wise so don't fret.

I really like you virgin homo like demeamor, "What did I do wrong". Don't come in here acting all sheepish. you've said enough at JK.

Then he conveniently kills the thread and makes it go away.

I take it you've been getting alot of heat from your fellow jeepers since you're the sole loser responsible for their misey at JK.

Way to disservice the wheelin community.

Your apologies are late in comming so save it for the next guy you fail to pleazzzzzure.

Welcome to HELL. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So there are a couple of non alcohol-soaked brain cells left in your cranium.

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That was funny. You know DRTY - reading your stuff is even funnier after meeting you.


I'm sure this is just a troll posing as Jerry. No way would he slink in here to take the beating he is going to get. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, with his bloated ego, I'm sure he crawled in for more attention. Slimy old skunk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never personally attacked you guys. I feel so violated. I hope you are nicer in real life.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
OK, just checking to make sure I wasnt missing something. I truly just want to understand you guys. In the end, we're all wheelers.

You're such a POS. And I wouldn't call you a wheeler. A low life weasel, sure. But not a wheeler. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have we met? If I met you on the trail I'm not sure if I would shake your hand or crack your skull.

[HeimenHummer]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Welcome Jerry http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I'm glad you've taken some time off from your actiong career. Have you completed shooting NAKED GUN 8 1/2?

The Moderator here is all wise so don't fret.

I really like you virgin homo like demeamor, "What did I do wrong". Don't come in here acting all sheepish. you've said enough at JK.

Then he conveniently kills the thread and makes it go away.

I take it you've been getting alot of heat from your fellow jeepers since you're the sole loser responsible for their misey at JK.

Way to disservice the wheelin community.

Your apologies are late in comming so save it for the next guy you fail to pleazzzzzure.

Welcome to HELL. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LMAO DENNIS!!!!



EW! EW! This is gonna be good! EW! EW!

He's toast. Popcorn is ready.

[7]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7:
i recently traded my '05 rubicon (http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html)

Repo-ed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>sorry, it was traded on my '05 bighorn (http://inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html).

Jerry, these guys are just dicks.. you're wasting your time... I am talking to CeeJay and CJSixer to see if we can't IP block these clowns...

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by 7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7:
i recently traded my '05 rubicon (http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html)

Repo-ed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>sorry, it was traded on my '05 bighorn (http://inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which Tahoe model is that?

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
Jerry, these guys are just dicks.. you're wasting your time... I am talking to CeeJay and CJSixer to see if we can't IP block these clowns...

No thanks, those guys hate me cause I know everything about Jeeps and they think I'm pompous or something.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7:
i recently traded my '05 rubicon (http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html)

Repo-ed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>sorry, it was traded on my '05 bighorn (http://inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which Tahoe model is that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bighorn is an ISUZU. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
Jerry, these guys are just dicks.. you're wasting your time... I am talking to CeeJay and CJSixer to see if we can't IP block these clowns...

Wow, I've never been IP blocked before!

I'll always love you CerOf. You were my first...

Laugh it up dickhead.. the mods at JeepsUnlimited and Jeepforum are on the job...

Jerry, Keith Hubbens sent me an email about the IP block and I think it's the thing to do...

[DennisAJC]

LOL! This is funny!

Jerry has run out of friends and want to smoke peace pipe.

We got a few flesh pipes here for you to gobble Jerry. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I'll always love you CerOf. You were my first...

ROTFLMAO!!!

It's not just you he'll be servicing today. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Me! Me! Me next!

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by Alec W:
Again this is just lame Jerry.

You post this link (http://www.4x44u.com/Features/MoabH2/) to show how the frame is the same as the Tahoe but selectively did not include the full description and the modification made to the frame in the same web page.

The same web page show pictures of an H2 on the Wedge on Poison Spider Mesa and Golden Crack on Golden Spike. I don’t know if you have run those trails (I have), however I can 100% absolutely assure you that the only way to get a Tahoe to those obstacles is with a helicopter.

Not if the Tahoe had 35's and a locker http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[7]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Which Tahoe model is that? you lost me there. the only thing my bighorn has in common with a tahoe is.....er....well, you steer them both with steering wheels. :-)

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I'll always love you CerOf. You were my first...

ROTFLMAO!!!

It's not just you he'll be servicing today. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Me! Me! Me next! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funnay Denise.. Funnay.. now we know why you're in Canada...

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DennisAJC]

It's Canada eh! Dip****.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by 7:
you lost me there.

I said: Which model Tahoe is that?

Originally posted by Alec W:
Again this is just lame Jerry.

You post this link (http://www.4x44u.com/Features/MoabH2/) to show how the frame is the same as the Tahoe but selectively did not include the full description and the modification made to the frame in the same web page.

The same web page show pictures of an H2 on the Wedge on Poison Spider Mesa and Golden Crack on Golden Spike. I don’t know if you have run those trails (I have), however I can 100% absolutely assure you that the only way to get a Tahoe to those obstacles is with a helicopter.

I've seen videos of a fullsize Chevy 1500 doing Moab.. what's yer farkin point?

[DennisAJC]

Is that the best you guys can come up with?

Jerry and Certs?

I'm going back to work. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Is that the best you guys can come up with?

Jerry and Certs?

I'm going back to work. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

you do that denise and make sure you work hard like a canuckian surrender monkey should...

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
I've seen videos of a fullsize Chevy 1500 doing Moab.. what's yer farkin point?

"Doing Moab"?
Could you not be so specfic, please? It would really help me understand your point.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Is that the best you guys can come up with?

Jerry and Certs?

I'm going back to work. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm not arguing, just making coversation http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You go ahead and work, I am going to hit up Mrs. Bransford for some hot monkey lovin http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
I've seen videos of a fullsize Chevy 1500 doing Moab.. what's yer farkin point?

"Doing Moab"?
Could you not be so specfic, please? It would really help me understand your point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a chevy POS is a POS you don't understand?

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
Laugh it up dickhead.. the mods at JeepsUnlimited and Jeepforum are on the job...

Jerry, Keith Hubbens sent me an email about the IP block and I think it's the thing to do...

You better not. I'm WARNING you. You even think about IP blocking me and I'm gonna put you on my 'ignore' list. I didn't wanna get tough here, but you left me no other option.

[DennisAJC]

39 pages and I sick and tired trying to reason with these dorks.

Let's just stick to childish name calling. They seem to understand that. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Longhorn]

Montero? Hold on, Montero!!??

That is AWSOME. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sweet. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Again this is just lame Jerry.

You post this link (http://www.4x44u.com/Features/MoabH2/) to show how the frame is the same as the Tahoe but selectively did not include the full description and the modification made to the frame in the same web page.

The same web page show pictures of an H2 on the Wedge on Poison Spider Mesa and Golden Crack on Golden Spike. I don’t know if you have run those trails (I have), however I can 100% absolutely assure you that the only way to get a Tahoe to those obstacles is with a helicopter.

I've seen videos of a fullsize Chevy 1500 doing Moab.. what's yer farkin point? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What's your ****ing point?

What does “doing Moab” mean as it relates to my specifically pointing out obstacles? Also unless you have run those trials personally have no idea if the video of the Chevy 1500 was on those same trails.
Have you run Poison Spider?
Was the Chevy 1500 stock?

Pricks like you generalize with the sole intent of belittling a truck you apparently hate and apparently don’t really know anything about.

I feel sorry for you; however my reply can be summarized to “go and **** yourself”. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


RAAAARRRRR!!!!!1

Life enrages me.. what a turd you are..

RAARRRRRRR!!!!!1

[Dan]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
Laugh it up dickhead.. the mods at JeepsUnlimited and Jeepforum are on the job...


Oh dear, what are we going to do.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JU is a plain circlejerk. Mod away. Just shows you fags can't take it.

[CO Hummer]

Come to think of it...I have yet to seen an actual Tahoe break a tie rod. Hmmm.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by sfox:
So Jerry, how many H2 tie-rods have you seen break? Personally I mean. I have wheeled with literally hundreds of H2's and I have so far seen a grand total of 1 broken tie-rod.....I've also wheeled with dozens of Jeeps and seen three broken Dana35 axles.....hmmmmm which part is weaker...hmmmmmmm........

S


I gotta write that one down. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"It's gold Jerry! Gold!" - Seinfeld

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:

RAAAARRRRR!!!!!1

Life enrages me.. what a turd you are..

RAARRRRRRR!!!!!1

Eeeww. Just had the visual on that.

[RasterMaster]

quote:
Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
Laugh it up dickhead.. the mods at JeepsUnlimited and Jeepforum are on the job...

Ya better make sure they don't dent thier kneepads!

[CO Hummer]

SOMEONE NEEDS TO CLOSE THIS THREAD.

First come the harsh words, then comes the name calling, then comes the threats, then some real fist fights occur.



But we GOTTA stop this before someone blocks an IP.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Ahhhh ya gotta love this girl. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:

RAAAARRRRR!!!!!1

Life enrages me.. what a turd you are..

RAARRRRRRR!!!!!1

Eeeww. Just had the visual on that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A visual of your turdlike self is rather hard to stomach..

we understand.

[BlueTJCO]

I would almost GUARANTEE that this is not JERRY BRANSFORD you all are ****ing with. It is someone that is "trolling" as him. I have read enough of his posts in the past to know that he does not write like this "person" and would have not come over here and apologized. I could be wrong, but I dont think it's him....

[Dan]

The average tech thread at JU and JF:

"bastid"
"Your mom is fat and fawkin hot"
"pwned"
"in your fawkin head"
"pwned"
"bastid!"
"what was that noise?"
"your fawkin mom queefed again"
"swinging from my sak"
"bastid"

http://www.jeepmud.com/images/readrig/dumbass2.jpg

[DennisAJC]

BAHAHAHA!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[NAILER341]

Originally posted by Dan:
The average tech thread at JU and JF:

"bastid"
"Your mom is fat and fawkin hot"
"pwned"
"in your fawkin head"
"pwned"
"bastid!"
"what was that noise?"
"your fawkin mom queefed again"
"swinging from my sak"
"bastid"

http://www.jeepmud.com/images/readrig/dumbass2.jpg

sorry... no. none of that is tolerated on jf. sorry. another tidbit of misinformation from you http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
how many snatch blocks does it take to pull out a h2 with a 9500# warn winch?

[RasterMaster]

HCP, thanks for clearing that up! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Originally posted by Mooncricket:
I would almost GUARANTEE that this is not JERRY BRANSFORD you all are ****ing with. It is someone that is "trolling" as him. I have read enough of his posts in the past to know that he does not write like this "person" and would have not come over here and apologized. I could be wrong, but I dont think it's him....

LIES.. Jerry has a dark side.. he hates H2s...

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
SOMEONE NEEDS TO CLOSE THIS THREAD.

First come the harsh words, then comes the name calling, then comes the threats, then some real fist fights occur.



But we GOTTA stop this before someone blocks an IP.

you ain't fightin no one..

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
Laugh it up dickhead.. the mods at JeepsUnlimited and Jeepforum are on the job... Umm........ I thought you were king ****head at JU. That is what you have said every where, right. You run JeepsUnlimited. I just read where you have said that on a bunch of other forums.

If that is the case, why don't you block our IPs. Your the top dog, right?

[DennisAJC]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[7]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 7:
you lost me there.

I said: Which model Tahoe is that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>and i responded that the bighorn has nothing in common with a tahoe, therefore your question (or joke, or whatever it was) makes no sense.

[hoss75]

7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

[Andy C]

I have just read this thread from beginning to end - I have now lost the will to live.

Who gives a ####.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ.

[Andy C]

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ.



Like I said - who cares

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your collegues said you were a closet homo. Now add brain damaged.

Tighten you eye patch. Your brain is falling out.

Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
I have just read this thread from beginning to end - I have now lost the will to live.

Who gives a ####.

umm stop reading?



there ya go... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your collegues said you were a closet homo. Now add brain damaged.

Tighten you eye patch. Your brain is falling out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I'm bisexual. WHat's it to you?

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your collegues said you were a closet homo. Now add brain damaged.

Tighten you eye patch. Your brain is falling out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I'm bisexual. WHat's it to you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

pssst.. I bet Denise is too...

[Andy C]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hang on a minute - are Jeep people actually starting to diss jeep products on an H2 site - or am I reading this wrong.

[Jerry_Bransford]

Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hang on a minute - are Jeep people actually starting to diss jeep products on an H2 site - or am I reading this wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a brand thing. The best vehicle for wheeling is a TJ. Maybe a zuk could top it, but that's about it. Liberties and other Jeeps may be OK vehicles, but they are not wheelers.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Actually I'm bisexual. WHat's it to you?

HUH???? I tend to agree but......

DAMMIT! Paragon was right! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I always thought Canuckians love Jeep Liberties cause well they are soo gay...

[Andy C]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hang on a minute - are Jeep people actually starting to diss jeep products on an H2 site - or am I reading this wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a brand thing. The best vehicle for wheeling is a TJ. Maybe a zuk could top it, but that's about it. Liberties and other Jeeps may be OK vehicles, but they are not wheelers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


They are to the people that wheel them.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
I always thought Canuckians love Jeep Liberties AS MUCH AS I LOVE MAN SAUSAGE...



Easy there buddy. Don't go ruining a fun thread with your sick fetish. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
I always thought Canuckians love Jeep Liberties AS MUCH AS I LOVE MAN SAUSAGE...



no pic.. I am scared.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Jerry_Bransford]

I'd LOVE to see some Liberty douchebag wheel Johnson Valley http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The vehicle would be a total loss with 1/4 mile. Then again, so would your fancy H2's http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
I'd LOVE to see some Liberty douchebag wheel Johnson Valley http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The vehicle would be a total loss with 1/4 mile. Then again, so would your fancy H2's http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

my montero would kick H2 ass...

[DennisAJC]

Ya but I bet you're not as creepy gay as this fellow....

Originally posted by Alec W:
I bet a round of beers it's closed by this time tommorrow.

you lose ****nut..

no pic = webpussy

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
no pic = webpussy

Keep searching honey. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
no pic = webpussy

[Andy C]

I have "Wheeled" in Landrovers, Toyotas, Jeeps, Halflingers, Argos, Mitsibushis, H2's, H1's, Fords, thrown together pieces of junk - hell I even drove through a desert once in an old SCUD launcher (long story) and you know what I enjoyed every one of them - it is not the vehicle that matters, it is the fun that you have overcoming the challenges and obstacles thrown in your path that does.

Anyone - be they H2 or Jeep owners - that claims that you are not "Wheeling" unless you are driving a particular brand or model of vehicle needs to reevaluate their reasons for being there in the first place.

I love my Montero..

[7]

Originally posted by hoss75:
you straight out said it's not even a Jeep its not.


it's a Jeep its built by jeep, but its not a jeep. its an SUV with reasonable off road capabilities, much like the h2 (although id put my money on the h2).


it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. im sure its the most awesome web-wheeler online.


is a stock TJ more capable? Good question that statement is simply ridiculous and shows either your blinding brand loyalty or your ignorance to the physics of off roading. the kj is not designed, built, or capable of moderate off roading. the kj is a soft-roader, a step above a mini-van. ive wheeled them, ive wheeled with them. yes, with proper modification they can be moderately capable but no matter how you cut it, until you swap in a live axle you still have a short arm IFS system and the limits associated with it. perhaps your off roading standards are lower than mine, i dunno.


In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. and your current form is?

Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CerOf@aol.com:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I bet a round of beers it's closed by this time tommorrow.

you lose ****nut.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually you loose, I was refering to a thread on JF which was deleated within 1 hour. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goddamn.. learn to spell..

[DennisAJC]

This guy is the reason I'll be donating to Keft Pallettes Society. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Alec W:
The guy looks like he blowing smoke out his ass http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It's not the only thing he's blowing.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by Alec W:
The guy looks like he blowing smoke out his ass http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


FIXED! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
The guy looks like he blowing smoke out his ass http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It's not the only thing he's blowing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FIXED AGAIN! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[off-camber]

I gotta call bs on this one. My Rubicon won't come close to doing what my WJ would. Having wheeled with H2's though there is no arguing that they aren't even close to the same league as the TJ.

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hoss75:
7, you straight out said it's not even a Jeep.. it's a Jeep.. and it's a Jeep that's had to recover a couple TJs and a Rubi before.. after I'd passed right through the very same obstacle. Is a stock Rubi more capable than a stock KJ.. yes.. is a stock TJ more capable? Good question.. In my current form I can outwheel a stock Rubi though. Of course the Rubi (or a TJ for that matter) can be modded to a much higher level.. for now at least.

The Liberty does not even deserve to be called a Jeep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The ONLY Jeep worth wheeling is a TJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hang on a minute - are Jeep people actually starting to diss jeep products on an H2 site - or am I reading this wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a brand thing. The best vehicle for wheeling is a TJ. Maybe a zuk could top it, but that's about it. Liberties and other Jeeps may be OK vehicles, but they are not wheelers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[KenP]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
Seriously, guys, what did I ever do to you?

You don't just come on a forum without giving a little background on yourself.

What kind if grill do you use and what types of wine do you drink? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weber, white zinfandel in a box.

I am not happy at all about you guys quoting me in that video. The H2's tie rod is notoriously weak, so I don't know what you are complaining about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So is your momma's stomach. That's why she coughed your pimp daddy's spunk back up and you were conceived.

[KenP]

Originally posted by Jerry_Bransford:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Is that the best you guys can come up with?

Jerry and Certs?

I'm going back to work. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm not arguing, just making coversation http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You go ahead and work, I am going to hit up Mrs. Bransford for some hot monkey lovin http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you sure your monkey lovin' ball slop isn't in FL slapping around your momma's tits?