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thanks, we're talking about the same general area. It has just been years since I've been there. I grew up not too far from Azusa Canyon and use to take my dogs up there every couple of weeks.

If you haven't been there are some great trails to run in the Big Bear area. Devils hole if it is still open would be a blast in an H2. I use to run it with my 4runner.