My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
Who is stirring the pot? I didn't start this subject, I am just trying to point out the obvious
<span class="ev_code_RED">Your comprehension is obviously very lacking. With the out of left field Jesuit comment and now this conundrum. I believe "stirring the pot" is not the same as "starting the subject"</span>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at what point did I say that Hummers were not at all capable?
<span class="ev_code_RED">No, you first, at what point did I say that you said that Hummers were not at all capable</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rubicon has a higher torque/lb figure after all the gearing and it has front and rear lockers so your previous statement holds no water. Knowing those statistics, what magical pixie dust makes it is better crawler? Articulation or not, this is a simple fact: lift a front tire on the H2 and you just lost the front axle. Lift a front tire in a rubicon and you are still getting 100%of the power that is being sent to front axle going to the ground. <span class="ev_code_RED">Here we are again. My tractor has more torque per pound and is geared extremely low and yes it has front and rear lockers AND much more agressive tires, but you don't see me touting it as more capable, simply because it is the sum of the parts as a whole, not just some items. And you are severely wrong about the front end. Lift a front tire and the H2s traction control applies more power to the tire with traction. The H2 has the ability to send nearly all of the power to just one wheel if that wheel happened to be the only one with traction.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel free to search the internet for side by side comparisons. I just showed you that in the end the Rubicon has more power better traction and a suspension that is better suited to off roading (that has been agreed upon many times on this board). What magical factor it is that makes the H2 better off road I cannot say, but the chips fall heavily in favor of the Rubicon. <span class="ev_code_RED">Umm, no. You are the one providing the dissenting opinion here, I believe it is you that needs to convince us.</span>

I am not stirring the pot. I do not own a Rubicon, nor do I want one. I did not start this point in the thread. If, however, someone charged me with going out and buying for them the most capable offroad vehicle I could find for under 100k, I would be a fool to come back with anything else. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">Fool you are. That, sport, is surely something you have displayed most convincingly.</span>