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05-24-2006, 08:26 PM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
Ok the math is killing me to but just because I needed to figuer it all out so here it is. And yes I have a touch of OCD at times
32's: Cir=100.48" Rev. per. mile=630.57
33's: Cir=103.62" Rev. per. mile=611.46
35's: Cir=109.90" Rev. per. mile=576.52
and 1 mile = 63360"
So 33's will: Get you 1 extra mile for every 32 mile compared to 32's
and 35's will: Get you 1 extra mile for every 10.67 miles compared to 32's
and 1 extra mile for every 16.5 miles compared to 33's
sorry but I had to redo the math for my own sanity. lol...
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05-24-2006, 08:36 PM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
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Ok the math is killing me to but just because I needed to figuer it all out so here it is. And yes I have a touch of OCD at times
32's: Cir=100.48" Rev. per. mile=630.57
33's: Cir=103.62" Rev. per. mile=611.46
35's: Cir=109.90" Rev. per. mile=576.52
and 1 mile = 63360"
So 33's will: Get you 1 extra mile for every 32 mile compared to 32's
and 35's will: Get you 1 extra mile for every 10.67 miles compared to 32's
and 1 extra mile for every 16.5 miles compared to 33's
sorry but I had to redo the math for my own sanity. lol...
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there you go!!.......and deiTai.. good find on the tire calc. 
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05-24-2006, 11:38 PM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
All this math and there is an easier way. Just use your GPS, or borrow one. 
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06-02-2006, 07:44 PM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
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All this math and there is an easier way. Just use your GPS, or borrow one. 
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Ok, I used GPS and a Jaguar to measure my mileage. It seems I am off about 10 mph. The Jaquar, which followed right behind me, was showing 65 mph to my 55 mph. After we had arrived at our destination, the Jaquar showed a traveling distance of 46 miles, while mine only showed 41. That's a 5 mile difference in my favor! 
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06-04-2006, 02:09 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
And you trust the speedo in a Jaguar? 
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06-04-2006, 03:50 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
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And you trust the speedo in a Jaguar? 
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Not really  ....ok ok ok, I will do it again with my GPS 
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06-04-2006, 08:42 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
Here's another way to do it.
Keep a constant speed between mile markers. Measure the time in seconds. divide this number into 3600 and the result will be your average speed between those two mile markers.
i.e. 3600/60 sec.=60 mph
3600/65 sec.= 55.38 mph
3600/55 sec.=65.45 mph
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05-25-2006, 12:19 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
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Originally Posted by DOC4H
Ok the math is killing me to but just because I needed to figuer it all out so here it is. And yes I have a touch of OCD at times
32's: Cir=100.48" Rev. per. mile=630.57
33's: Cir=103.62" Rev. per. mile=611.46
35's: Cir=109.90" Rev. per. mile=576.52
and 1 mile = 63360"
So 33's will: Get you 1 extra mile for every 32 mile compared to 32's
and 35's will: Get you 1 extra mile for every 10.67 miles compared to 32's
and 1 extra mile for every 16.5 miles compared to 33's
sorry but I had to redo the math for my own sanity. lol...
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What, my math wasn't good enough for you? 
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05-25-2006, 12:29 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
Don't forget that 32"/33"/35" tires aren't really that size. You should go to the mfrs website or tire rack to get actual dimensions.
here's an example for tire rack & BFG AT KOs, 35" is really 34.5"
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...rrain+T%2FA+KO
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05-25-2006, 12:32 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
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While true, you're just gonna to confuse more people. Want to really confuse people? Not only are they not really the advertised size, but if you REALLY want to be accurate you have to consider the true tire radius with WEIGHT on it...
f5fstop's idea about the GPS is easier if ya have one 
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05-25-2006, 03:39 PM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
Aren't the speedometer for the HUMMER's now electronic, meaning there are no longer cables? And the speed is now computed throught the PCM? If this is correct then there is the possibility that the PCM may have enough variance input into it that it recalculates automatically. Have you paced the truck with another vehicle to see if the speedometer is wrong????
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05-25-2006, 03:39 PM
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Not now electronic, but electronic. They have been the same since release.
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05-25-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
Now what's needed is some shorter gearing (higher numerical) so that the acceleration on the street is reasonable.
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05-25-2006, 11:06 PM
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Aren't the speedometer for the HUMMER's now electronic, meaning there are no longer cables? And the speed is now computed throught the PCM? If this is correct then there is the possibility that the PCM may have enough variance input into it that it recalculates automatically. Have you paced the truck with another vehicle to see if the speedometer is wrong????
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Electronic and the speedo and odo are fed via the BCM, which calculates the PCM speed signal, and stores the information internally.
There are devices you can place inline with the vehicle speed sensor to fool the system.
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
There are 2 additional ways to figure it:
1. E = MC2
2. as long as the angle of the dangle is equal to the heat of the meat you make sure that both are firm enough to transverse the curve of the canyon to reach the upper recesses of the ...
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05-25-2006, 01:00 AM
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What, my math wasn't good enough for you? 
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I have a headache; nothing against the math, I never even looked.
I should also mention that on my trip to TN last fall, I checked my speedo and it was running two miles under the registered speedometer speed at 70 mph (thus I was doing 68). I confirmed this with two different GPS units; a Magellan Sportrack TOPO, and a Garmin iQue 3600.
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05-25-2006, 01:54 AM
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I believe there is a federal law that requires the speedometer, from the factory, not be more than x% below the actual speed (don't know the value). This is so you can be absolutely sure you aren't going faster than indicated on the speedo. Mfrs adjust their speedos high (low) to make sure they meet the guidelines.
Also, European regs have a tighter guidelines, meaning they are more restrictive for the 'too high' guidelines. So EU mfrs adjust their speedos high (so your speed is lower than indicated) even more - my BMW was 3-4 mph low, I checked the H3 on the way home from work today and it was 1-2 mph low.
So why does that matter? Because no math you can do will adjust for the factory fudge, so just wing it. Since the factory builds in a fudge, technically your odometer is off anyway, so an extra bit here or there is moot.
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05-25-2006, 02:32 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
With all the calculations, you have forgotten the most important factor:
LPM (looks per mile)
95.7 percent of H3 owners think the 35?s are 27 percent better than the 33?s.
This represents an increase in the damn fine coefficient of 1.37 pi squared per inch of increased tire diameter.
However the LPM rating is not limited to fellow H3 owners, for example card carrying Sierra Club members will view the larger and therefore more dangerous tires as 18 percent more likely to run over Bambi. Netting you an easy increase in (dirty) Looks Per Mile of 7.9
This is on the opposite end of the spectrum of the Mini-van driving soccer moms who won?t notice you at all unless you are sporting a ?I break for Garage Sales? bumper sticker. Subtract 1.2 LPM
Of course all of this proves the theory that there are 3 kinds of people in the world?those who understand math and those who don?t.
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05-25-2006, 04:57 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
I need a beer (or several) after reading this thread. Looks like FutureBeachBum may be ahead of me.
By the way good one FutureBeachBum
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05-25-2006, 11:02 AM
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Re: No Calibration Needed!
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I believe there is a federal law that requires the speedometer, from the factory, not be more than x% below the actual speed (don't know the value). This is so you can be absolutely sure you aren't going faster than indicated on the speedo. Mfrs adjust their speedos high (low) to make sure they meet the guidelines.
Also, European regs have a tighter guidelines, meaning they are more restrictive for the 'too high' guidelines. So EU mfrs adjust their speedos high (so your speed is lower than indicated) even more - my BMW was 3-4 mph low, I checked the H3 on the way home from work today and it was 1-2 mph low.
So why does that matter? Because no math you can do will adjust for the factory fudge, so just wing it. Since the factory builds in a fudge, technically your odometer is off anyway, so an extra bit here or there is moot.
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Yes there is a Fed regulation. I believe it is 5 percent +/-, but can't be sure; been awhile since I was working in that area.
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