For the gun lovers

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Couldn't something give out and break?

No. It's a Glock.






Of course, now some yahoo will post a pic of the 1 in zillion that has a barrel failure.

[dеiтайожни]

That is the coolest, I want.

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

No. It's a Glock.
Of course, now some yahoo will post a pic of the 1 in zillion that has a barrel failure.

[MarK M]

speaking of guns... anyone have hookups for lasermax?

I'm trying to score one for my beretta.

[Fubar]

illegal or not very cool.

[MarK M]

Originally Posted by PhilD

Without going into a long discussion about the pros/cons of laser sights, I have to ask why?

On a pistol they are gimmick at best, a nuisance and hindrance at worst. I tried one many moons ago and found it is slower to aim than regular sights and does nothing for accuracy. It clearly gives away your position and holds no value in my view. They aren't too bad for training, but spending the money on ammo would be a wiser choice if you want to practice and become better.

If you really want one, check gunbroker.com, they come up from time to time at good prices.

I hear you on practice and become better. I was just thinking for intimidating factor. If for gods sake i ever have to use it for protection, instead of firing a round into the guy, maybe showing a beam would scare them off without anyone getting killed.

eh screw it... we want them dead... lol

[h2co-pilot]

That's why when I am home alone and I get scared- I sometimes flash a laser pointer out the windows at incognito angles.

[ETD]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

That's why when I am home alone and I get scared- I sometimes flash a laser pointer out the windows at incognito angles.

[ETD]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

That's why when I am home alone and I get scared- I sometimes flash a laser pointer out the windows at incognito angles.

Is that some strange pop-rock band coming to attack you?

[ETD]

Originally Posted by MarK M

eh screw it... we want them dead... lol

[GeorgeSSSS]

BTW, there's a firing range in Las Vegas where you can rent military rifles (M-16, AK-47, MP9, Uzi, etc.) and fire them full auto. I haven't tried it, but I bet it's great.

Best regards,

George SSSS

[ETD]

More than one friend who are native Texan attorneys told me when I moved here that the only way to be certain that the would-be robber does not get to turn around and sue you for shooting him is to make sure that he can't contact the lawyer in the first place. ( Apparently, a good lawyer can make him into the victim.) Once done, it's your word in the police report whether he turned to run or to draw a weapon. Unlike in MA or CA, the police here would take your word then. I intend to take his advice should I ever be in that situation. Just a thought.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by PhilD

The purpose of drawing a firearm for self defense is to "stop" the would be assailant, by stop I mean stop with deadly force. Once you have made the decision to use deadly force, then the best of course of action is to follow through with that. In fact many states don't allow you to threaten the use of deadly force, only to use it.

In the home, intimidation factor may be of value, but the sound of 12 gauge pump racking will likely be way more effective. Besides which, you are clearly showing them where you are and what your intentions are. While you intimidate them, they'll most probably shoot you.

In the unfortunate event that you need to use deadly force, then that is what you need to use, not the threat of it, in my view.

Exactly. Additionally, at close quarters, it's hard to distinguish when a threatening criminal who has broken into your home is being "scared off" or whether he is drawing a weapon and moving to cover, from behind which he will shoot you in the head. It all happens in a split second. If you have any doubts about terminating someone who has broken into your home and is, by definition, putting the lives of you and your family at risk, you shouldn't have the gun. Your hesitation will possibly lead to being disarmed and killed by your own weapon. The only instance when I might possibly (though not likely) withhold fire in such a situation would be if I could see he had no weapon in his hands for certain, and he immediately raised them in the air. Even then, he would be terminated immediately if he made a fleeing maneuver, because it might just as easily be a tactically offensive maneuver. It doesn’t take long to draw a weapon. The only way, in the unlikely event that I withheld lethal force, that he would survive is if he followed my instructions, maintained elevated hands, got on his knees, put his hands on the floor, and spread eagle laid face down, etc. If he’s turning and running through my house (i.e., getting “scared away”), I don’t know if he’s getting a friend, trying to get upstairs or downstairs where my wife and kids are, etc. He does that, he dies. He probably dies anyway. If he didn’t want to die, he should not have unlawfully broken into my residence, inherently threatening my family with unknown levels of violence and horror.

[MarK M]

Correct me if I’m wrong here... if the criminal turns his back to you heading downstairs or out the door regardless if he's carrying your big flat panel LCD or running away you cannot shoot him. At least in California laws.

He is not a risk to you or to your loved ones if he walks away therefore you cannot use deadly force. However, if he is coming towards you, you pop a cap on his ass!

A cop told me once; you only use as much force to stop the assailant from threatening you and your loved ones.

I then asked one shot, two shots; empty the whole magazine… what’s appropriate? He repeated the above statement.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by MarK M

Correct me if I’m wrong here... if the criminal turns his back to you heading downstairs or out the door regardless if he's carrying your big flat panel LCD or running away you cannot shoot him. At least in California laws.

He is not a risk to you or to your loved ones if he walks away therefore you cannot use deadly force. However, if he is coming towards you, you pop a cap on his ass!

Depends on several things including geometry. My front door is about seven feet from our stairs going up to the upper level and near the other stairs going down. Unless, I'm right by the front door AND he happens to be running out that door, he's always potentially heading toward a part of my house that may contain my loved ones if he's running away from me. If I'm in my family room, and he's running away from me, he could be heading out of the house OR right upstairs to kidnap or kill one of my family members. He doesn't get that chance. He gets shot multiple times. My family lives unharmed for certain. No guess work about whether he's retreating or going after hostages.

"... At least in California laws." I would never, ever, ever live in California for that very reason. They protect criminals and prosecute victims. I know of several specific accounts of this. Never, ever.

[h2co-pilot]

I love it when you all are so protective.

That is all.