ever get negative comments?

Dan · #1 12-18-2002, 02:54 PM

We usually hear about all of the compliments you H2'ers get when out driving. The "hey, nice truck!" and the "wow"s. Have any of you received negative comments from people?

When telling people that I put my deposit on the SUT I've got:

"personally I think its a bit much, but it should go OK in the snow..."

"a little pretentious don't you think?"

"it's what, 55 grand? Buy a BMW"

"I'd get a Tahoe"

I even got:

"thats a long wait... I'm selling my 2000 Malibu you know"

Of course I get the hi-fives and "that's awesome" from most people. I'm totally comfortable in my decision, I love the SUT, but some people have no class...

- Dan

PARAGON · #2 12-19-2004, 12:57 PM

Arnie,

Please excuse me for giving you more credit than what you are worth. Damn, you had to copy and paste your PM comment to me and couldn't come up with an original post.

Point out again exactly how the comment "not even an American car" equates to "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Just stupid, plain stupid.

As far as your ego, you are not sure of anything, I'll grant you that. But you want to project some idea that anyone cares enough about your miniscule existence that they would actually make a threat. Again your wonderful power of extrapolation has molded a very simple comment into one being about you. I realize information, especially confirmed logical information, would be a threat to you, but remember you are speaking to a community of people and must use their mores if you want to be understood. Someone saying they would like to piss on you after bludgeoning an idea into your head really doesn't constitue a threat, veiled or otherwise, except in your own narcissistic world.

I "waited for you to show up on the site," riiigght. More of your obsessive narcissism at work. How in the hell would I know you were going to show, no, no.....let me think.....just like every other neurotic psycho, you have a pattern. Yours is just much more distinct than others. It's this pattern that gives you away and you can't do **** about it because you have flung it all over the internet.

Also, please understand how the human being works, one of which you barely seem to be. They overcompensate when trying to hide something. Otherwise they do not try to go into great detail to overexplain something that is true. It's only when they are caught in lies and half-truths do they resort to the stupidity of typing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain away their actions.

So, it took you 5 seconds to google the Jedi quote, but you turn around and, again narcissistically reply, that I must be obsessed with your almightiness by right after replying "it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits." Cool, you are such the hardcore internet guru that it took you 5 seconds to find your quote (by the way that is not the only place you made the jedi comment) but I had to search through pages and pages to find the same thing. Hmmm!

As far as your minority, freethinking, bassackward, dumbass thoughts. No, my tinkerbell of a friend, you just had to come out in one of your first posts that you are an athiest. So, I didn't start it, nanna nanna boo boo.

Start a thread in the off topic? Are you so cement-headed that you don't realize no one here cares about your thoughts and/or comments. You are the one posting in a Hummer owners' forum. How absolutely blind are you going to continue to be.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>from blunderhead's private offer:
I'll agree not to post this email to the list, if you agree to just chill out a bit. Maybe even admit that you were mistaken. That way, we'll both feel a little better. On the other hand, it's fine with me to if you would rather not, since you would then be giving me the OK to have fun with you guilt-free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is the previous post you having fun. You talked more about you than you did me. Be careful of the games you play, it's not just your stupid website that is being watched. This is not a threat, it's an honest warning. Anonymity on the internet is a farce. So stay around, play some more and things will just get funnier and funnier. Only idiots run around posting in forums that they have no business being apart of.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Posted by the dumbass:
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is that a threat!

DRTYFN · #3 12-20-2004, 03:47 AM

Well, Paragon did rip you a new one and it's understandable that your widdo feewings got all hurtums. But life goes on and you still need to show up tomorrow at 7/11 for your shift.

Orlando Bloom? You are a homo, aren't you?

After the Paragon sodomizing you've been getting might I suggest you go buy(steal in your case) some of this stuff to rub on your inflamed anus.

Humdinger · #4 12-18-2004, 12:22 PM

From what I acquired on Arnold, he feels he is doing society some justice by admonishing those of us who drive the H2. What he does not understand is that, he is in the minority. Not just on this site, but in life. Society is the evil doer, and he is the prophecy. Well Arnold, you are lacking the wherewithal to understand the art of persuation. Thus, making you a hypocrite. If you truly wanted a change in society, your tactics would not be that of slander, but those of salvation. Please enlighten me as to how you would change society? I feel you should read the book 1984.

DRTYFN · #5 12-20-2004, 04:26 AM

I did find this picture of you back in the day on the short bus. Rock on dude.

PARAGON · #6 12-16-2004, 04:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Arnold McBain · #7 12-18-2004, 05:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that is one cute pooch.

Humdinger · #8 12-17-2004, 02:54 AM

Now now, I can understand wanting to bludgeon the dullard to death, but don't you think the asparagus ditty was a little over the top! Imagine the morgue! Why hate the worker bees? LOL

Truly, that was an uproarious avowel. My sides still hurt.

It just tastes so darn good going down, but run for the hills on the way out!

DRTYFN · #9 12-20-2004, 04:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sfox:
GODDAMNIT Drty, now you have gone too far!

Don't you EVER, EVER post that picture again.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, c'mon Dirty Fun, that picture stirs up too many subconscious desires for sfox to handle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AHHH HUURRR... good one. Reknob.

Go wake up your future gay son and ask him to punch up your posts a bit. You suck at it.

Arnold McBain · #10 12-20-2004, 03:33 AM

OK, paragon, now you've pissed me off. I'm all for heated discussion, amusing but pointless name-calling, even well crafted though erred suppositions of fact. But it's your plain and unapologetic ignorance that really gets my goat, (you might know a bit about 'gettin' some goat', eh?

). I mean, you think you're making an argument, but everything you write is basically insult, followed by unsupported denial.

Now I admit I'm not the smartest guy I know, not by a longshot, but I do know that people without real argument will only return insults, demands to leave, and physical threats (genuine or not) as support for their claims, and you have demonstrated this perfectly.

Now, since I've supported all of my positions with fact and logic, I believe I've earned the right to insult you as I please. (Well, maybe not...but I'm going to it do anyway since this would be really boring otherwise :-)

So let's see how many ways I can call you a bonehead...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>PARAGON

posted 12-19-04 06:57 AM

Arnie,

Please excuse me for giving you more credit than what you are worth. Damn, you had to copy and paste your PM comment to me and couldn't come up with an original post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I'm unoriginal. Ouch...

(Friggin' lamebrain)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Point out again exactly how the comment "not even an American car" equates to "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Just stupid, plain stupid. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The implication is obvious; you can't possibly be that thick-skulled not to see it. But maybe you can get BIGT to tell us why he'd have no problems if we all bought foreign cars.

Just idiotic, plain idiotic.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>As far as your ego, you are not sure of anything, I'll grant you that. But you want to project some idea that anyone cares enough about your miniscule existence that they would actually make a threat. Again your wonderful power of extrapolation has molded a very simple comment into one being about you. I realize information, especially confirmed logical information, would be a threat to you, but remember you are speaking to a community of people and must use their mores if you want to be understood. Someone saying they would like to piss on you after bludgeoning an idea into your head really doesn't constitue a threat, veiled or otherwise, except in your own narcissistic world. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paragon, you ignoramus, this is just insult and bare denial. Can you explain why you've chosen to ignore the English definitions of "veiled" and "threat"? Don't worry, I'll spell out still one more thing for you below...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I "waited for you to show up on the site," riiigght. More of your obsessive narcissism at work. How in the hell would I know you were going to show, no, no.....let me think.....just like every other neurotic psycho, you have a pattern. Yours is just much more distinct than others. It's this pattern that gives you away and you can't do **** about it because you have flung it all over the internet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, now you're making my points for me. Fine, if you weren't looking at the "Online Now" list, then you brilliantly figured out that I post only at night. Man, what a raving ****ing loony I am. You could point me to more evidence "all over the internet" that even comes close to proving anything, but you can't. I can be 100% certain of that because there isn't any. You're a delusional dimwit.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Also, please understand how the human being works, one of which you barely seem to be. They overcompensate when trying to hide something. Otherwise they do not try to go into great detail to overexplain something that is true. It's only when they are caught in lies and half-truths do they resort to the stupidity of typing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain away their actions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the explanation, but I already knew this about you.

But still, you slack-jawed dullard, prove to us somehow that I've even once written "lies and half-truths" here. You made the accusation; the onus is on you to prove it. BTW, you missed the part where "the human being" tends to "over explain" when they know the audience is too excruciatingly obtuse to grasp simpler explanations.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>So, it took you 5 seconds to google the Jedi quote, but you turn around and, again narcissistically reply, that I must be obsessed with your almightiness by right after replying "it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits." Cool, you are such the hardcore internet guru that it took you 5 seconds to find your quote (by the way that is not the only place you made the jedi comment) but I had to search through pages and pages to find the same thing. Hmmm! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, you imbecile. I entered the quote in quotes, and came up with exactly one hit. Took literally 5 seconds. Sorry you think it requires guru status to be able to do that, but I guess that's how it appears to a dip****.

Sorry I missed the other hits, since spending more than 5 seconds on this nonsense takes time away from my pagan sex rituals. But if I had actually made those quotes, you would think I would have known where they are.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>As far as your minority, freethinking, bassackward, dumbass thoughts. No, my tinkerbell of a friend, you just had to come out in one of your first posts that you are an athiest. So, I didn't start it, nanna nanna boo boo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF? Oh, I get it, you're a bigot and a ****-for-brains; the fact that I merely said I'm an atheist is offensive to you. Are you that insecure about your own beliefs? Should I take offense, then, at people calling themselves Christian? Now, I do take offense at being told that your religion will turn my life around. See the difference there, Sherlock?

But you are obviously too much of a wuss to defend your own beliefs outside of name-calling. So drop it, or I'll give you so much to think about it'll ruin your Christmas (or as I like to call it, Isaac Newton's birthday).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
from blunderhead's private offer:
I'll agree not to post this email to the list, if you agree to just chill out a bit. Maybe even admit that you were mistaken. That way, we'll both feel a little better. On the other hand, it's fine with me to if you would rather not, since you would then be giving me the OK to have fun with you guilt-free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure why you would leave my first paragraph out:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Honestly, I don't enjoy making people feel bad, and I don't want to make you feel worse than you already do. This latest and other postings of yours show a worrisome level of obsessiveness and I'd feel pretty bad about myself taking advantage of your condition <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But thanks anyway for posting this since it shows nicely how I'm not merely a narcissist. You see, a narcissist wouldn't give a **** about hurting someone's feelings. Truth is, I would feel terrible knowing you were just off your meds or something when I humiliated you in public. But hey, it's a standing offer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Be careful of the games you play, it's not just your stupid website that is being watched. This is not a threat, it's an honest warning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, let's break this down... (and feel free to take notes, Junior, you might learn something about supporting an argument.)

First, the definition of "threat" (from here if you want to follow along):

"An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment."

And "veiled"

"To conceal or disguise."

And "warning"

"An intimation, threat, or sign of impending danger or evil."

So, my previous example of veiled threats on this thread were valid since both were "concealed expressions of intention to inflict pain." Saying you want to hit me on the head is such an expression. Saying that you wouldn't because you're afraid of the consequences could be construed as concealment of true intention. As well, posting someone's address in response to a verbal offense by that person and saying you can "track down" that person, is also such an expression, concealed by not describing exactly how far you would like to put your foot up that person's anal cavity.

Now, clearly, that's as far as I'm going to go with that. I don't know that "veiled" threats are even illegal, but I only pointed them out to say:

"Veiled threats are really childish fellas. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, than full of ****."

Now, paragaon, with regard to your own statement you should now realize that you admitted to making an actual, even "honest" threat when calling it a "warning", since that is synonymous with "threat." So even with your neocortextual deficit, you should be able to grasp the fact that you threatened me, a fact that could get you booted from this site, but I'll be kind since this place seems to be your life.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Anonymity on the internet is a farce. So stay around, play some more and things will just get funnier and funnier. Only idiots run around posting in forums that they have no business being apart of. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, please teach me about "the internets". I haven't time to design a web page worth ****, so I really have no idea about WHOIS database records or apache logs. But I'm certainly not worried a wit about you finding me online or anywhere near my home, since you don't even know how to use google.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
quote:
Posted by the dumbass:
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-)
Is that a threat!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, that would be an insult. Got it now?

So mr. paragon, my little Orlando Bloom fan, I've wasted entirely too much time on this. Time to admit you're out of your league, grasping at straws, and praying for me to just leave you alone. Whaduya say?

(I see that hummerdog has made an intelligent posting, and I really owe him a reciprocal response. So if I don't get back to you right away, I hope you'll understand. :-)

devilsfan · #11 12-16-2004, 03:13 PM

What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you.

Stacy

KenP · #12 12-20-2004, 06:47 PM

Sorry I missed all the fun, Gang.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Posted by A MCPAIN:
Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, not necessary

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devilsfan · #13 12-17-2004, 12:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And exactly who are you to judge? So we should all send you our personal accounts of how we use our vehicles on a mile-by-mile basis in order to obtain your blessing? You have no idea who "needs" an SUV and who doesn't.

I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously:

1. Has room to carry 2 50-lb dogs and an infant on a regular basis. By "carrying" the dogs, they must be able to stretch out and lie down comfortably, and the rear space must NOT contain any gaps in the floor or between the 3rd row fold down seats (if applicable) such as in the Dodge Durango. This could seriously injure a dog. With an infant in the back seat, this means the 2nd row cannot be folded down and any space between the 2nd row seat and the back hatch must have enough room for the dogs to lay down AND stand to turn around if needed. This thereby excludes the BMW X3 and X5, Nissan Murano, and FX35/45 series.

2. Have GOOD off-road capabilities without me putting $$$ into it. I don't want to have to modify a vehicle with so many aftermarket parts that it will void my warranty. By "capabilities," this includes ground clearance, suspension parts, and undercarriage protection. This is a serious hobby for me, and I cannot afford to have 2 vehicles - one for fun and one for work. Whichever vehicle I buy must encompass both. This excludes 80% of the SUVs on the market, every minivan, and every station wagon.

3. Must be reliable. This includes data from R&T, Consumer Reports, and owner statements. This immediately excludes the VW Touareg, Chevy Trailblazer and Jeep Cherokee.

4. Costs $50,000 or less. This excludes the Toyota Landcruiser, Porsche Cayenne and Range Rover.

5. Must fit MY idea of beauty. I am a car collector - they are my form of art. There are many SUVs out there I find attractive. The Land Rover Discovery and LR3 are not on that list.

I'm serious here. Find me a car to replace my H2, because my H2 is the only vehicle that I've found to fit all the criteria.

Stacy

HUMMERDOGG · #14 12-20-2004, 02:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:

Yes, good point. I'm well aware of the existance of alternative fuels, yet I wouldn't call it quite a "push". Considering that we're asking to convert on such a large scale, government research and funding is scant (and I wonder why?) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would beg to differ regarding the "push" and government "funding". Please refer to the article below which elaborates upon the tax incentive credit that W just signed into law for biodiesel.

http://www.biodiesel.org/news/taxincentive/

This is a hell of a move in the right direction. What it'll mean is increased prices paid for soybean and rapeseed oil which will help support American farmers. It'll also increase yellow grease use for biodiesel. This will hopefully keep yellow grease from ending up in our dumps. It also encourages biodiesel production buildout which will hopefully help bring down the costs and make it more appealing for the masses.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Nevertheless, even if we were able to convert completely, it'd still be wrong to waste. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really disagree with that statement since it is directed towards us H2 owners. Hell, I drive mine a total of 20 miles a day when I'm not taking it up to the ranch on the weekends. What's truly funny is that my H2 gets better gas mileage than my wife's Infinity QX4 did. I'm suprise you haven't gone after Nissan for importing fuel inefficient suv's into the US. At least American workers are getting paid to build the H2. You ever seen the gas mileage numbers for a Ford Excursion/Superduty with the V10? That's the owners you should be attacking there.

Anyways, I really think you shold re-gear your attack though. You should really start looking in the direction of our mass transit systems, recreational boating, commercial shipping, military, etc... Why should the american people who drive H2's be the one's under attack from you? We would all be better off if UPS, FEDEX, DHL, AMTRAK, CTX, Burlington Northern, American Airlines, Continental, etc..... would all switch to alternative fuels. I don't understand why people like you don't wage your war against publicy traded companies who are "wasteful".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W...

Yes, you're right. Unfortunately with the lies and maneuvering dubya's done over the war, no one can ever be sure why the hell we went. The facts to me, however, point to oil and the oil economy. There are a few good links at my site, if you're willing:

post 64 at http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would rather not visit your site but do appreciate you making an effort to be heard. Hell, it's what America was founded upon. I am just disappointed that you choose to attack H2 owners when there are so many others out there who are better candidates.

Arnold McBain · #15 12-17-2004, 06:13 AM

Seriously, is that the best you guys can do? Why waste your time with pointless ad hominem attacks that prove nothing but that you don't have a better argument? I think the worst unprovoked comment I made here is "don't flatter yourselves."

Sure, I can give as good as I get (better in most cases), but I'd rather save us all keystrokes and just ignore or only point out the pointless.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sideshow:
I fought for this country and will drive WHATEVER I damn well please. I have that right and NOBODY is going to take it from me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please make a bumper sticker of this for your Hummer. Actually, you don't have to since that's precisely what the Hummer says all on its own.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, Honda's can typically go 300,000 miles. Mine gets 30-35 mpg. Just got it smogged under the toughest standards in the country (California's), which certainly have been tougher than those for SUVs (I think they're finally toughening them from this year, though, finally). But you're right, I can do better and will, once this thing finally calls it quits and I'll buy a Prius or something (natch ;-)

As far as your ideas of foreign economies harming America and American jobs, you might want to look at the facts. America and especially the Japanese economies are so interdependent that we both bleed from the same cut. The last thing America wants is for Japan to start having to call in its loans (i.e,. bonds) to us. If you really want to get into this, post some evidence to the contrary and I'll go to the trouble of presenting mine.

Now, because of the threats voiced here, you can understand why I'd rather stay anonymous. I'm sure a lot of you could easily kick my ass; not sure how that would change any of the facts though.

But suffice to say, I'm well employed (just bought a pretty average house in the California Bay Area for $420,000), certainly pay my taxes. I've got a family and care about them as much as you do yours. Actually, preserving my kids' futures is the main impetus of most of my ranting.

That said, none of it really matters since I'm here to talk facts and don't need to know anymore about you than why you think it's OK to drive a Hummer. Some might try to pick my life apart, but it's pointless. It also doesn't matter since regardless of what we say about ourselves, we can be accused as liars. And I for one don't want to go to the trouble of proving who I am.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:

Oh, don't even touch the military subject. You ask ANY soldier if they're fighting a gas war and they will tell you completely differently. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, here's one:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Breaking_ranks.htm

But about the war thing, I'm not going to get into that here since I've already taken it up on my own site.

I think I've responded to most of the rest the other comments here, so I'm going to skip a bit so I can go read to my kids.

Again, ad hominems I'm skipping. War stuff, go to my site to see why I believe it is about oil.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
more sense than a pickup that can carry 2 people and gets the same gas mileage as the SUVs you so love to hate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Lump the pickups in there too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Oops, another thing that wasting liberals won't bother complaining about. What about those cars that burn fossil fuels for no other reason but to look good (seeing as how they can't be driven even close to their capabilities legally). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you there too, bro.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Find another cause, find God, and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You want to get into god, eh? OK, so first why wouldn't you consider my saying "Forget about god and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life" to be just as offensive as what you said to me? Or are you trying to push god as way to be offensive? Anyway, I'd be happy to get into you with it at my site. (But I won't wait up ;-)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sbmike:
what does it say about the collective intelligence (or more accurately the lack of intelligence) of folks on 145 pages of photos flipping off an inanimate object? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, that's not my site.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>It's back to one of my main beliefs about the general culture of our country these days where folks seem to think: "If I don't agree with it, it's wrong"... end of story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not that I don't agree with it, it's that it's demonstrably wrong.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, that's not my site. Where did I say I hated anyone? I'm probably equally as struck by the vitriol toward me. But I just take it as proof that I have a better point.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So by doing good, we're excused to do bad?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, but since I'm not judging people, just a behavior, the rest of your life is irrelevant here.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi

Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I've imagined myself as a Jedi as long as I can remember
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What in the world does this mean?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by H2Pilot:
I am now employed in a position that affords me information about the war in Iraq that disproves the conjecture of "blood for oil". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great, please share. Facts have changed my mind more that once. But I have a few of my own for you on my site.

http://www.hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I purchased my H2 with plenty of forethought as to its impact on my family, my budget, and the environment in which I live. I am married with three kids and live in the mountains of New Mexico. I purchased a used H2 because it was LESS EXPENSIVE than other new vehicles that gave the same performance and which I actually liked. It carries my entire family through the snow and mud and protects them from the people on the road who drive like idiots.

As far as the gas mileage goes, I really only drive about 5000 miles a year and I often ride my mountain bike to work. Over a 5 year period my H2 will burn roughly 2080 gallons (12 mpg) while other vehicles that would fit my situation would burn about 1660. Saving a little over 400 gallons of gas over 5 years. Big Deal.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I Forgot a couple of things. I used to drive a large pickup that got worse gas mileage but was able to haul stuff all over the country. We used to have a little Honda civic that got great gas mileage until some idiot in a little blazer ran a stop sign in front of my wife, son and step mother totalling the civic and nearly killing my family. I decided we will never drive something small again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right, it's just too bad the huge increase of SUVs on the road makes everyone feel that way. It's an arms race that I resent being forced into. While I certainly never drive my kids in my Accord (no air bags), I do feel OK with them in my late model wife's German car. (25mpg :-)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So, "Arnold" or would you prefer to be called Anthony? How's Petaluma? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I get it, you whois'd my sites. Boy, I didn't see that coming...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Arnie has parental issues. Plus his mommy paints pictures of flowers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please continue... I do enjoy these random mumblings. Kind of haiku-like.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would think. LOL. Would some one else please clue him in?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****.

Arnold McBain · #16 12-19-2004, 05:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
First, Arnie. To debate one must have validity. You don't, since you took great care to lie about yourself. Second, this vain attempt to get people to rush over and up the hits on your site is about as lame as the drivel you like to think of as your intelligent thoughts.

You made the point to come to this site full of H2 owners who discuss their varying ownership of the said vehicle only to stir things up. Then you want to pretend to be an active part of the citizenry by making up crap about being married, with kids blah blah blah.

Yeah, you have admitted that you wish you had the powers of the Jedi. Looks stupid when someone else puts it in print. You see, the thing is, when self-serving little children like you that try to pretend to be all grown uppy and want to take a position in life that they know will be controversial can't help but spread their words all over the internet. Just like you have done.

You even go so far as to expound on the comments made by others just so you can letter out what you think we all will think is intellectual bliss. I don't remember anyone on here saying that "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must have missed this:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BIGT:

posted 12-16-04 05:38 AM

A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Then to further your ego up the scale, you want to feign supposed threats against you from this forum. You are just too smart for us, aren't you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure how that would "further my ego", but anyway do tell why these wouldn't qualify as "veiled" threats?

First, this rib bustin' classic by DRTYFN (hey, that name could get some hot action in SF.)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then his less subtle:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.

Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Then it's the biggest f***ing thing that sticks out. You got so caught up in all of your own bull**** that you said you now had "to go read to your kids." Just a stupid amatuer mistake or did you simply forget what time it was when you typed that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I'm a little worried about you, Paragon, and I offered to keep this private to spare your feelings, but this all so damn hilarious I just can't help myself.

First, like a stalker, you waited for me to show up on the site and then posted that "I just couldn't wait to answer the thread", suggesting that I have obsessive tendencies, when it was an obvious projection of your own state of mind, and just a little bit freaky...

Next, as I figured out in 5 seconds by googling that Jedi quote, you found on some other bulletin board a posting by a "McBain" (here), and somehow became convinced that that was me. Then you posted all those great haikus of yours from what that guy said.

Just to clue you in, "McBain" is the name of a character in the Simpsons, and there could be hundreds of people going by that name on the Internet. Now this is the scary part: it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits (and hours of time?) to come up with that one page. Suffice to say, that dude ain't me. That you're so convinced (and still are, I'm sure) that it is me with such lack of evidence, demonstrates so obviously your state of mind.

But, thanks to your great idea, I now know a bit more about you. It only took another 10 seconds to google "paragon redneck" and bingo! Hit 6:

Rotten Tomatoes Forums - Guys Only Thread!

Orlando Bloom fan, eh? Man, my wife is so into that guy too...

I was truly amazed, however, by your brain-twisting deduction that I'm a fraud. Now, did you ever think about what time it might have been when I typed that about my kids? Likely different than when I posted it, since it was a rather long posting. I admit, you could have a valid point somewhere in there, but to deduce from that evidence alone that I'm a fraud is delusional. Please realize too, that there are families like mine all over the country different from yours, where kids sometimes go to bed after 7:30 or 8, sometimes even later! That you might not have even considered this is still more evidence of your own obsessive tunnel-mindedness.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Even better, go talk with your freethinking brethren and talk about your heros of the past who were supposed freethinkers and discuss how there is no proof of a God, that you have the answers and that is that there are no answers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You want to get into this? Start a thread in the off topic forum, and I'm there. Or in private even. Just remember you were first here with an offensive remark regarding belief/nonbelief.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>So, please, don't flatter yourself thinking that you are anymore than a ball of yarn being played with by a bunch of neurotic house cats OD'd on catnip. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-)

Yetti · #17 12-16-2004, 10:33 PM

Well I read a little of Amy's rantings..Oh s'cuse Arni's rantings, but never the less they are the opinion of a society the encourages the sufferage of the well to do. the middle class is lead to believe they are the just deserved. so with that, we raise children who think they deserve..well..Everything! and don't have to work for anything. so the handouts these trolls get from their parents are the computers they troll the net on. I would think if parents wanted the best for their children, they wouldn't let them near the net without supervision.

just my two cents...Troll!

Ps, I love my Hummer...I am buying another one

BIGT · #18 12-18-2004, 12:38 PM

Arnie, you right. How could I have been so blind! I will sell my H2 today. But I'm going to have to keep my 35' offshore power boat.

BTW, It has twin 502 big blocks and burns a hell of a lot more gas than the H2 ever could.

Hey, there's an idea, why don't you go bother the people over at www.Offshoreonly.com. Lot's of fossil fuel being wasted over there.

Thanks for showing me the way. (Moron)

Wheelin · #19 12-17-2004, 05:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.

Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All public info.

Arnold McBain
33 Turner Court
Petaluma, California 94952
707-762-8513

Spike · #20 12-17-2004, 12:38 PM

originally posted by Arnold McBain,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upper middle class, Ha that is a ****in riot. Do you have any idea how many papers you would have to deliver on your route to be pushed into the upper middle class? Your 88 honda **** box couldn't hold that many papers.

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