Protection vs Performance

[CampMaster]

If you get the underbody protection for the H3 you gain some protection for the underbody but lose an inch of clearance...



Is it really worth it at that point? The protection you seek makes it hard to get back to where you could use the protection...

If you want to wheel better in the back country, why would you limit yourself?

[MarK M]

DTH, the pic you show... is that for the H3? Did you make that yourself? How can I obtain one of those protections?

thats a good point you bring up about it getting caught up on things. I already read about the current UCP collecting a lot of mud!

[Kevin B]

If you're in the area and want to do some wheeling, (assuming my junk is up and running by then) please don't hesitate to contact me. I like wheeling with all types of vehicles; I'm not snobby about it. Smile

sounds like fun but I doubt I will EVER make that trip again in the summer time. I honstly dont know how people survive out there during the summer months. If I remember correctly it was something like 118/122 degrees . Thanks for the offer, if we come out there again that sounds like more fun than roasting with the relitives .

[PARAGON]

Did you go ****ing look at the page. Look a few posts up from your first post and your stupidity will be revealed, even to you possibly.

[HummerNewbie]

Damn, did someone piss in your Wheaties Woody? I have no idea who you are or what you have done but you come across as someone who thanks they are the end all of off road knowledge. It really helps your argument if you have your facts straight. Really sorry that someone had the nerve to have a differing opinion but get over yourself. You mentioned in your other thread that Paragon is arrogant, WRONG. I have personally met him and wheeling with him and that would not be a word I would use in my description. You got all up tight about Ken's post (though you seem to think it was Paragon) about their truck. He simply pointed out how their truck's CG is pretty good even though it is lifted. Is it wrong in your mind that anyone could possibly think this? Just because you don't have experience with a lifted vehicle that also has a wide stance does not mean it is a bad thing. On a side note, how the hell are you getting 22 to 26 MPG out of your H3 since as you stated you get twice the gas mileage of an H2? Just goes to show that ignorance must be bliss

[Kevin B]

Sean, I have been to Mesa with my wife twice. Once to a wedding and again to visit relatives. Where do you guys ride out there?

[MarineHawk]

Originally posted by Woody:
Have you every taken your vehicle to the manufacturer's spec of maximum 40 degrees side tilt or even 30 degrees for that matter. Try a 25 degree and I'll bet you'll piss in your pants.

Hey, Mr. Smarty:
Do you know the difference between a 40 percent slope and a 40 degree slope?

[DarthKarl]

Originally posted by KenP:
Just the thought of servicing the truck with that cake pan on there bothers me.

I think you could make some great mud cakes with that thing as well.

[Sean K.]

Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sean K.:
All you guys claiming that rocks never get stuck between the factory UCP bars, obviously don't wheel where I do.

Pretty sure that nobody claimed they never get stuck between the UCP bars. That will certainly happen from time to time. I'm not going to go back through the whole thread but maybe you were referring to my comment that I know from experience that the OEM UCP will slide on rocks just fine. That was in response to a claim that they won't.

Originally posted by Sean K.:
Oh, and Liberty's are bad ass. Here's mine.

Not sure you can call that a liberty anymore
Pretty cool though </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, my mistake. I didn't realize you'd take my comment about "never" so literally. I typed alot of crap above and have edited several times now to try and make it as clear as possible. Poor choice of word on my part....again, my apologies. That particular comment was really in response to, "we put 7,500lbs on a ladder-type UCP and drag it across a pointed rock with no problems."

What I meant was on the trails I've run, (and hopefully many H3s will begin running as modifications permit), it would be happening quite frequently with a ladder type support. Someone mentioned earlier about picking good lines and tire placement.....true in a perfect world, you can pick your way through and the holes in the undercarriage will be a non-issue.....but Murphy and that f<span class="ev_code_BLACK">uck</span>ed up law of his always seems to show up at the worst possible time and a tire slips off line and then you're stuck. Know what I mean?

Oh, and the hood and grill aren't even really Liberty when you get down to it.....just narrowed, custom fiberglass units from Campbell Enterprises.

Take care,
Sean

[PARAGON]

I crack myself up!!!!!!!!

[Sean K.]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
Does your mommie have to wipe the drool from the side of your face?

If you'll look on page 3, a few posts up above yours, you'll see my response.

You ****ing idiot. Why in the hell would I go back 3 days later and read a post that you edited?

No, I have your mommie do that.

As for your not so brilliant rebuttal.....would you like a second try at "putting me in my place"?

My first post to this thread was ONpage 3....how could you have responded to me before I ever posted b/c you never posted after me on page 3? Are you now clairvoyant and knew what I'd post before I even posted it? Sorry, I doubt anyone's going to believe you're as cool as you seem to have deluded yourself into thinking. How is your megalomania? Seems to be going well.

As for the edit....you're about as sharp as a marble.

Let me break it down for you:

I asked if you were the guy from Pirate in the orginial post (within several minutes of posting....I try to always mark an edit with ***EDIT*** so someone won't think I tried to pull one over on them)......


I then found out the guy from Pirate was DRTYFN, so I posted an apology to you and him.

You replied with "are you hearing voices in your head" or something to that affect.

Got it?

Sean

[PARAGON]

You are testing the breakover of the vehicle.

If you have a rear locker, getting by some of these are fairly easy. If you can go to it at an angle and get a front wheel over it and when your rear wheels approach turn into straightening up the truck can minimize some breakover issues.

Instead of only have ground contacts for the breakover, you effectively created 3 by staggering when the front tires reach the crest.

In all honesty though, I don't think, in most cases, the inch or so you give up for good protection is going to hang you up any, especially on dirt. The piece of mind of having sound protection to vitals when you are off-road is of much more importance than 1 inch of clearance because you just never know.

[DarthKarl]

Originally posted by Ipedog:
Because its better to loose an inch of clearance (that can be regained with bigger tires) than to loose a transfer case and be stuck in the back country?

x2!

If you are wheeling somewhere where getting hung up on some rocks is an issue, I'll take losing an inch (or less) in clearance over the bill for a new t-case any day of the week.

The UCP is cheap insurance. If you hit a rock just right without the UCP, you'll be getting a tow and a big repair bill.

[Sean K.]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sean K.:


***EDIT*** Weird. Words like cockfag are not filtered on this site but the "F" word is?

Sean

F<span class="ev_code_BLACK">uck</span> yeah, <span class="ev_code_BLACK">f</span>uck is bad. Cockfag however, is a mandatory word for you Zonies, we didn't want you to feel awkward. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Okay, what's the secret? How'd you post it? I use the word **** in almost every sentence (that I actually speak)....sorry, I have a potty mouth.

***EDIT*** figured it out.

F<span class="ev_code_BLACK">uck</span>

[Alan06SUT]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
I still don't get this clearance thing people are bringing up.

IIRC, you have a front end, a rear end and a gas tank that has to clear.

Agreed. At Tellico we watched one H3 w protection and one without protection go over many of the same obstacles where clearance was definatley tested. Both made it fine but, I do belive that the one w/o UCP was taking far greater risks each time the clearance was tested.

[Sean K.]

Originally posted by Kevin B:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you're in the area and want to do some wheeling, (assuming my junk is up and running by then) please don't hesitate to contact me. I like wheeling with all types of vehicles; I'm not snobby about it. Smile

sounds like fun but I doubt I will EVER make that trip again in the summer time. I honstly dont know how people survive out there during the summer months. If I remember correctly it was something like 118/122 degrees . Thanks for the offer, if we come out there again that sounds like more fun than roasting with the relitives . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya, we don't wheel during the summer much. If we do, the run usually starts at 10 pm. Most vehicles here that 4 wheel run "rock lights"....just some offroad lights or bright LEDs that illuminate just a few feet around each tire.

Wheeling season is typically from mid-October to around early May.

I always say Phoenix is 6 months of heaven, 6 months of hell.

Sean

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by HIHUMMER:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I do belive that the one w/o UCP was taking far greater risks each time the clearance was tested.

hehehe! But remember...that extra clearance w/out the UCP got me over that one rock on 6 that the other got stuck on...but agreed...I really need to get the UCP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>BS, yellow just weighs less than blue

[DTHVLY]

Originally posted by CampMaster:
If you get the underbody protection for the H3 you gain some protection for the underbody but lose an inch of clearance...



Is it really worth it at that point? The protection you seek makes it hard to get back to where you could use the protection...

If you want to wheel better in the back country, why would you limit yourself?

Get the rock rails but don't waste the money on the UCP. Not only do you lose at least an inch of clerance but those are useless unless your going over really smooth rocks, otherwise there just going to get hungup on everything. Get a piece of 1/4" steel and have it cut to fit, it will give you total protection between the frame rails and you won't lose any clerance.

Looks something like this

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Sean K.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Don't ****ing flatter yourself there sport. You've already displayed you level of intelligence.

You have added nothing but confusion since you obviously don't know much about a modern vehicle or one that is used both on or off-road. You float from forum to forum and try to write your little books to see how many words you can spurt into a post, but in the end, you offer no real advice.

It's really starting to get insulting that you assume that you have the end all answer and those of us here that work for AM General, GM, Aftermarket Manufacturers, Retailers, 4wd shops, yet you want to purport the position that since you have not personally approved of a "test" then it must not be so.

Logic doesn't have to be tested, except by idiots. If trapping a hot exhaust, a hot transmission between 2 layers of sheet metal and a boxed frame makes sense to you when the option of having the same protection with an open design doesn't, please, just move on, or it's going to get a lot more flamey around here for you.

So, omnipotent one ............(Can you smell the sarcasm? Hope so; I'm laying it on pretty thick).....


Just what constitutes a "modern" vehicle? Is it fuel injection? Ya, I have that too. Is it a/c? Yep, got it....it's converted to OBA, but it's there. So, just what is it that makes your vehicle SOOO much more modern than my buggy? Is it b/c you have a sealed body? I wouldn't call that new technology since cars have had bodies pretty much since the beginning. Must be the ABS and airbags......ya, that's it. There's a major difference.

And yep, I write little books.....but your adult ADHD makes it hard for someone of your intellect to follow, doesn't it?

Oh, and my buggy will be street legal in AZ, I just choose not to waste soft 40" tires on road use.....the difference between you and I (at least on this one issue) is that you bought a vehicle that compromises offroad-ability for streetability and I built one that didn't.

Have a super day,
Sean </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ummm.... it seems you know how to use a dictionary. Look up "modern." I think it's pretty self explanatory.

And I have OCDADHD but how did you know about that and my intellect?

[Sean K.]

We run several different areas within an hour to 2 hr. drive from Mesa.

We go to the Florence Junction area....trails like Highway to Hell, Elvis, Upper and Lower Woodpecker, Martinez Canyon, Axle Alley, Overdose, Bad Medicine, Upper Ajax, Woody's Wash, Miner's Revenge, etc.

We go down to some private land in the Oracle area too.

We head to Table Mesa for trails like Matrix, Anaconda, Upper and Lower Terminator, Die Hard, Judgement Day, Annihilator, Armageddon (before it was closed), Predator, Collateral Damage, and Twister.

There's some new areas up past Black Canyon City that are really extreme....Bumble Bee area. I haven't been....my old wheeling rig wasn't set up for that extreme of wheeling. I was only running D44 axles....1 Ton running gear is mandatory up there.

On the west side we go to the White Tanks....Ruler and Asylum are the best trails in that area. Asylum is INSANE, but will be closed very soon.

We have a trail right outside Apache Junction called Willow Springs. And we even have a few near Payson and Gisela. The one in Payson is about as hard as they come....it's called Skull Crusher.

If you're in the area and want to do some wheeling, (assuming my junk is up and running by then) please don't hesitate to contact me. I like wheeling with all types of vehicles; I'm not snobby about it.

Take care,
Sean