Buying new pistol, need advice

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Big Z

Forgot the Venerable 22 And 22Mag!

Sorry don't know much about hand guns. Would you please label the bullets?
I just never got into target shooting with handguns @ stationary targets. Was boring. I enjoy shooting skeets and clays. I enjoy upland hunting but not deer, turkey, or duck- again, too much waiting around to shoot at something stationary. Too ADHD, I guessed .

Questions for Eldave. What makes you think that you can get a shot on target at a mountain lion that has been stalking you as you are backpacking about, enjoying nature? A bear can run at what, 10-12 mph? I supposed that a Grizzly will give you a moment to get a shot off as it is trying to warn you off but a hungry black bear looking for food? What about taking the time to learn about bear behavior, mating season, roaming habitat in order to avoid running into them? Not telling, just asking out of "ignorance".

As for home defense and knife, as Crocodile dundee said "that's not a knife, this is a knife".

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by ETD

Sorry don't know much about hand guns. Would you please label the bullets?
I just never got into target shooting with handguns @ stationary targets. Was boring. I enjoy shooting skeets and clays. I enjoy upland hunting but not deer, turkey, or duck- again, too much waiting around to shoot at something stationary. Too ADHD, I guessed .

Questions for Eldave. What makes you think that you can get a shot on target at a mountain lion that has been stalking you as you are backpacking about, enjoying nature? A bear can run at what, 10-12 mph? I supposed that a Grizzly will give you a moment to get a shot off as it is trying to warn you off but a hungry black bear looking for food? What about taking the time to learn about bear behavior, mating season, roaming habitat in order to avoid running into them? Not telling, just asking out of "ignorance".

As for home defense and knife, as Crocodile dundee said "that's not a knife, this is a knife".

that's not the wakizashi I saw you with last

[ETD]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

that's not the wakizashi I saw you with last

Nah, that was a bushmaster. It's a good way to carry a compass

Big Z: Ok, now I get it. The magnums are the tall thin ones. Now are you going to make me go back and read the ballistic treatise or can you tell me again why the magnums are more powerful? Is it because they have more grains? Or is it the cap that is special?

[Big Z]

Big Z: Ok, now I get it. The magnums are the tall thin ones. Now are you going to make me go back and read the ballistic treatise or can you tell me again why the magnums are more powerful? Is it because they have more grains? Or is it the cap that is special?

This is the Simple Answer!--This pic!----And In the following pic, Just think what the MAGNUM LOAD Would do to you Vs. The Regular LOAD!

[Big Z]

The Difference!----BIG!......And MAGNUM!

[PARAGON]

While magnum is not always universal, it generally is used to signify that it's a certain caliber ammo, but with a "magnum charge" or more grains of powder. So, it's faster and has more energy.

.22 vs. .22MAG

.357 vs. .357Mag

.44 vs. .44Mag

.45 vs. 45 Win Mag

.300 Savage vs. .300 Win Mag vs. .300 Wby Mag

[ETD]

Sorry, to be a wee bit slow, but...
Big Z, in your photo's, the magnums were NOT "bigger" but longer and all but the .22 had the metallic cap so that to a novice, those were the differences NOT the overwhelming size difference as in your photo's of the drinking containers. Or was that because of the loss of perspective in the photo's of the bullets and there IS really that much difference in size.
Paragon, that's what I was wondering. That is, the difference in projectile effectiveness has to do with the fact that there is that much more explosive material in the magnum bullets and not that they are longer and capped with some other metal (i.e. they needed to be longer to be able to hold more explosive force).
BTW, I figured that if shape was of primary importance, wouldn't bullets still be spherical? Doesn't a sphere going forward in air have the least drag coefficient or is my physics too rusty?

[Big Z]

Originally Posted by ETD

Sorry don't know much about hand guns. Would you please label the bullets?

I really thought someone would of taken a stab at the line! By Now!

Let's see! From Left to right...

12Guage"OO" Buck--500Magnum--45acp--44Mag--40 S&W--357Mag--38Spl--9mm Lugar--380--22Mag--22LR

[westhillsat]

My 45 acp looks so small next to alot of those cartridges

Glad I have a 44, a couple of 357's and a 38 for good measure.

[evldave]

Originally Posted by ETD

Questions for Eldave. What makes you think that you can get a shot on target at a mountain lion that has been stalking you as you are backpacking about, enjoying nature? A bear can run at what, 10-12 mph? I supposed that a Grizzly will give you a moment to get a shot off as it is trying to warn you off but a hungry black bear looking for food? What about taking the time to learn about bear behavior, mating season, roaming habitat in order to avoid running into them? Not telling, just asking out of "ignorance".

I don't know if I'll be able to guard against mountain lions. Only if I'm lucky to see them first (that's what dogs are for, and they have growled for no reason in the woods, mountain lion or not, I'll rely on them for early warning).

Bears can run 30+ mph. But typicaly bear behavior is to pose/posture, rear up, growl, then fake charge, then full charge. Unless you come upon them while feeding, and you are being an idiot by not making noise, you will have enough time to be ready.

I'd say I'm very familiar with bear territory (weeklong bike trip, separate backpacking trip in Alaska, backpacking for 6 weeks in Montana, backpacking through Glacier & Yellowstone, North Cascades, plus a run-in live w/a black bear while pheasant hunting near Yakima, WA). I rarely go out in bear country w/out sounds, whistling, dogs, etc. My preference is to avoid contact at all costs, but when it does happen, I don't want to have to worry about it. I shouldn't be stupid enough to come up on a bear feeding, since hopefully I'll have done everything to not put myself in that situation.

[dеiтайожни]

Careful evldave, you'll put an eye out with a gun.

[evldave]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Careful evldave, you'll put an eye out with a gun.

When we were kids growing up, we used to play poor man's paintball. We'd use pellet/BB guns and shoot at each other. Sometimes we'd remember to wear goggles. My buddy got shot in the eye w/a BB, swelled shut, real bad damage, but they were able to get the BB out - now he can barely see out of that eye. Parent's shut us down after that...