For the tree huggin ethanol people

[Aubs]

This just shows the sad reality that there is no quick, easy, or green energy solution as of yet. Hydrogen will hopefully fill that spot, but that is at least 10 years from mass market, 4 from the first vehicles available for civillian purchase.

Of course, you can make Ethanol out of products other than corn. Sugar cane works for Brazil, which imports something like only 15% of it's oil needs. I imagine bamboo might work too.

[31_bandits]

Originally Posted by Aubs

This just shows the sad reality that there is no quick, easy, or green energy solution as of yet. Hydrogen will hopefully fill that spot, but that is at least 10 years from mass market, 4 from the first vehicles available for civillian purchase.

well said.

hybrids are no answer to any type of oil shortage or global warming problem, etc. if a Toyota Prius gets 3.5 times better mileage than a Hummer H2 (i read that in a comparison somewhere or other a week or two ago), then it will keep our oil around 3.5 times longer, or delay the end of the world by 3.5 times.

its just a delay, not a solution. A solution for an oil shortage would have to use zero oil. for global warming panic, you'd have to generate no net CO2.

I doubt we'll run out of oil, there's shale and sands and come what may. And its interesting to write to various prof's and the like about global warming. water vapor (the product of burning hydrogen) is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, but, water vapor in the air appears to contribute to less solar radiation hitting the earths surface, sort of balancing its contribution to heating.

CO2 is made, air heats, water evaporates. water traps mroe heat, forms more clouds, which shield the surface from some heat

Thus goes one theory that is very nicely put together and completely not gov't funded. Remember when an enviro-concern freaks out about how anybody who isn't chicken little about global warming is "an oil company tool" that global warming is the #1 gov't funded area of research and generates billions in revenues for the shcools and institutes that attempt to prove it is occuring and dangerous. There is no funding for attempts to prove its not, or so some folks in the field would say.

[f5fstop]

Sad part is that the manufacturing plants that create ethanol fuel from Corn, use more power to make a gallon of ethanol, than is saved by a vehicle running on ethanol.
cane sugar costs about 50% less to make into ethanol the corn. (Foxnews Channel ). However, the farm lobby is very strong....

[Agriv8r]

i have read it takes about twice the energy to produce veggie gas

[Vettster]

Originally Posted by PhilD

From what I understand corn is actually not a very good product to make ethanol from, sugar cane is far better.

Humm. Castros about ready to kick off.
Maybe we can make a deal with Cuba.

Sugarcane and cigars.

Drive Safe,
Vettster

[md_sailor]

Originally Posted by PhilD

From what I understand corn is actually not a very good product to make ethanol from, sugar cane is far better.

Dude! Don'T F**K with my Rum Supply or its On!

[31_bandits]

Originally Posted by md_sailor

Dude! Don'T F**K with my Rum Supply or its On!

lol