For the tree huggin ethanol people

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by 31_bandits

GM should really try to bump the H2 up a notch or 3 in the mileage department.

And it will happen... Be patient

[DRTYFN]

Screw all of this hybrid/alternately fueled vehicle crapola!!! I want my George Jetson flying car!!!!

[deserth3]

I have a few problems with this article.

1. Starts out talking about corn and ends up talking grain. Makes no sense,

2. Grain is being grown in surplus. And what is surplus is NOT getting to many of the starving people anyway.

3. The corn used for making E85 is not fit for human consumption. It is mainly grown for feed for cattle and in excess. Which makes them fatter than cattle who are range fed. You know fat. The stuff you cut off the steak and don't eat anyway.

4. www.e85fuel.com

Another liberal twisting the truth.

[31_bandits]

the element of liberals (and this certainly isn't all liberals) that is anti-US / anti-American has a built-in loathing for E85 because GM and Ford have endorsed it. Make no mistake, if GM had released the Prius nobody would have wanted it.

If i was GM, i would focus on some permanent/real solution to the problem - like hydrogen cars - and leave the hybrid thing to 'yota and the gang.

And i'd throw every nugget of technology at the next H2 and Escalade and Tahoe... displacement on demand, aerodynamics, tranny & shift patterns, low-loss t-cases and diffs (if that's even possible)...

why? because people absolutely love them, and they are massively profitable, and it would ... it would be a huge strike back into the heart of the anti-GM sentiment from the extremist left.


Do you know something, Fstop?

[31_bandits]

ethanol as fuel only makes sense when working from cellulose instead of starch (or cellulose + starch), because the feedstock for the ethanol production is far cheaper and has less alternate value.

I didn't check out the link that deserth provided, but i have a friend who talks about E85 quite a bit, and has sort of collected the analysis of it including re-sale cost of process byproducts and so forth. He sent me a link to a website of "pro-global-warming" scientists that gave a pretty good essay on ethanol and how it could be made to work within 30-50 years. i'll post if i can find it.