OK, now that's just mean Rush!

[h2co-pilot]

I found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

Now, it could be debated that he certainly was able to control movements for longer than that while taping "Boston Legal" etc. and that he intensionally let go or exaggerated for effect- which was the intention anyway. But it is a sad disease no matter or doubt.

Fawking Celebs anyway.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

I found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

Now, it could be debated that he certainly was able to control movements for longer than that while taping "Boston Legal" etc. and that he intensionally let go or exaggerated for effect- which was the intention anyway. But it is a sad disease no matter or doubt.

Fawking Celebs anyway.

Very good point...he sure looked a lot different when playing across the the hottie on Boston Legal. But I do understand that the Liberals will do anything to win this year's elections, and if it means bringing in someone like Fox to explout their cause, they will.

As for tumors and embryonic stem cell usage, here is an article that mentions some LIBERAL colleges and their studies, and the tumors resulting in the use of embryonic stem cells in mice. So to say it is a right or left wing statement is incorrect.

Rochester, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Scientists working with embryonic stem cell research on animals reconfirmed what pro-life advocates have been saying for years about it. Researcher Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center said injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease would cause tumors.

Goldman's research team has been injecting the controversial cells into rats that have the disease and the cells turned into tumors afterwards.

The scientists explained their findings in an article in the latest issue of Nature Medicine.

They said the embryonic stem cell injections helped some of the rats but some of the cells started growing in a manner that would eventually lead to a tumor.

"The behavioral data validate the utility of the approach. But it also raises a cautionary flag and says we are not ready for prime time yet," Goldman told the Washington Post.

He conceded that considerably more research would need to be done to determine whether the tumor problems could ever be overcome.

Parkinson's is a disease where dopamine-releasing cells in the brain die out, which leads to muscle dysfunction and can eventually cause paralysis. The goal of stem cell research in Parkinson's is to replace the dead cells with stem cells that form into new dopamine cells.

Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells obtained by killing days-old unborn children that were grown in a special chemical used to coax them into becoming brain cells.

The team killed the rats before they could determine that the tumors that appeared to be growing actually finished appearing and they said that any embryonic stem cell treatments on humans, which has never been tried, would have to be closely monitored.

Some autopsies on the rats found tumors and that the embryonic stem cells began to grow uncontrollably rather than becoming the dopamine cells as intended.

Another team led by Ole Isacson, a Harvard Medical School professor of neuroscience and neurology, published similar results earlier this month in the online journal Stem Cells and found that the embryonic stem cells also produced tumors.

Adult stem cells have not had the same problems and have been used successfully to treat dozens of diseases and conditions. But scientists have said they don't think embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure for Parkinson's.

University of Melbourne Emeritus Professor of Medicine Thomas Martin told Australian lawmakers recently that he did not think that embryonic stem cell research would even lead to cures for major diseases such as diabetes or Parkinson's.

Martin, an internationally recognized Fellow of the Royal Society, said the embryonic stem cells produced from human cloning would have the same problems.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio1810.html

[DRTYFN]

Like I said - tumors downstream of the injection point and ineffective therapy.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

Rochester, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Scientists working with embryonic stem cell research on animals reconfirmed what pro-life advocates have been saying for years about it. Researcher Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center said injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease would cause tumors.


Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells obtained by killing days-old unborn children that were grown in a special chemical used to coax them into becoming brain cells.

The team killed the rats before they could determine that the tumors that appeared to be growing actually finished appearing and they said that any embryonic stem cell treatments on humans, which has never been tried, would have to be closely monitored.


http://www.lifenews.com/bio1810.html

Not sure this is exactly a good article as evidence towards the case of tumors. The authors obviously are biased. I'd like to see an article from an actual peer-reviewed medical journal before drawing conclusions.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2128188.shtml

Originally Posted by CBS News and MJF

"The irony is that I was too medicated. I was dyskinesic," Fox told Couric. "Because the thing about … being symptomatic is that it's not comfortable. No one wants to be symptomatic; it's like being hit with a hammer."

His body visibly wracked by tremors, Fox appears in a political ad touting Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill's stance in favor of embryonic stem cell research. That prompted Limbaugh to speculate that Fox was "either off his medication or acting."

Fox told Couric, "At this point now, if I didn't take medication I wouldn't be able to speak."

Tardive Dyskinesia

Originally Posted by National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke

What is Tardive Dyskinesia?
Tardive dyskinesia is a neurological syndrome caused by the long-term use of neuroleptic drugs. Neuroleptic drugs are generally prescribed for psychiatric disorders, as well as for some gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. Tardive dyskinesia is characterized by repetitive, involuntary, purposeless movements. Features of the disorder may include grimacing, tongue protrusion, lip smacking, puckering and pursing, and rapid eye blinking. Rapid movements of the arms, legs, and trunk may also occur. Involuntary movements of the fingers may appear as though the patient is playing an invisible guitar or piano.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

As for the "Tumors" article:

http://www.nature.com/news/2006/0610...061016-16.html

Originally Posted by Nature.com / Nature Medicine Journal

But there could be alarming side effects. Each stem-cell transplant also contained cells that had failed to become neurons, and which remained undifferentiated. These cells keep dividing, and can turn into tumours, says Goldman. (The rats in the study were killed before any such tumours developed.)

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by BlueHUMMERH2

Not sure this is exactly a good article as evidence towards the case of tumors. The authors obviously are biased. I'd like to see an article from an actual peer-reviewed medical journal before drawing conclusions.

Good point, blue.

As with any other research, medical research is a process of trial and error. Just because Harvard researchers found indications of tumors or pre-cancerous growth doesn?t mean that embryonic stem cell research is a total failure. It only means that our current mechanism to control embryonic cell development (and prevent malignant or parasitic growth) needs work. Setbacks are inherent in research, and failure down one avenue will lead to success in another.

But even treatments proven to be effective can be risky. Many drugs and treatment protocols are controversial at first because of risks and side effects, like radiation and chemotherapy. People suffered and died while doctors learned how to dose and properly target the cancers. Imagine if we had halted research on these treatments because of the health risks ... or because of moral concerns over using "human guinea pigs"? or because a religious group had undue influence in Congress.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

imo, the moratorium on embryonic stem cell research should be lifted. Researchers merely want access to all legally available embryonic material. If they can get it from cord blood, they’ll take it. If someone miscarries in a hospital, that’ll do. If someone has a legal abortion, they want access.

These scientists aren’t advocating abortion. They’re not saying we need to kill more babies so they can get more stem cells. People are already getting legal abortions and the embryos are getting thrown away. This research ban prevents researchers from making something good out of something terrible.

Think of stem cell collection as a form of organ donation. Would you outlaw organ donation because some people don't like the idea or believe it desecrates the human body? No. Organ transplants save, lengthen and improve lives. Stem cell treatments could do the same and more in the future.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

imo, the moratorium on embryonic stem cell research should be lifted. Researchers merely want access to all legally available embryonic material. If they can get it from cord blood, they’ll take it. If someone miscarries in a hospital, that’ll do. If someone has a legal abortion, they want access.

These scientists aren’t advocating abortion. They’re not saying we need to kill more babies so they can get more stem cells. People are already getting legal abortions and the embryos are getting thrown away. This research ban prevents researchers from making something good out of something terrible.

Think of stem cell collection as a form of organ donation. Would you outlaw organ donation because some people don't like the idea or believe it desecrates the human body? No. Organ transplants save, lengthen and improve lives. Stem cell treatments could do the same and more in the future.

Organ donors normally indicate that with a "Y" on their drivers license. People need to get sick and die sometimes- it's nature and no one can live forever. Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

But yeah, next time a big hurricane is coming- lets hurl a bunch of old people at it and see if it slows it down. We aren't sure if it will stop the hurricane or prevent damage but lets try it anyway.

Can everyone stfu?-really. No one is going to change anyone's mind on the subject and it has been agreed that MJF was bobbing more than usual.

kthanxbye

[BlueHUMMERH2]

I think we were just going for "No More Bullsh1t". Or in O'Reily lingo, "No Spin Zone."

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

I agree with that. People should be able to die with dignity. And until then, they should be able to live well.

[Mrs.ssippi]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Organ donors normally indicate that with a "Y" on their drivers license. People need to get sick and die sometimes- it's nature and no one can live forever. Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

But yeah, next time a big hurricane is coming- lets hurl a bunch of old people at it and see if it slows it down. We aren't sure if it will stop the hurricane or prevent damage but lets try it anyway.

Can everyone stfu?-really. No one is going to change anyone's mind on the subject and it has been agreed that MJF was bobbing more than usual.

kthanxbye

Help, I'm bobbing! Sorry, it had to be said.