Kinda Disturbing...Islamic Army in Iraq sniper video

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by evomind2

i know this probably isnt a popular view on this forum, but we shouldnt even be there.
we went in because we were sold that there were WMDs, and against the UN's advice because we didnt show sufficient evidence of WMDs. there were also rumblings of al queida ties...
at the time the UN stated though saddam had been uncooperative, there was never any evidence he restarted his nuclear program since 91.
we have basically leveled iraq and thrown them to the brink of civil war.
what was once the most advanced and economically strong mid east nations, now relys on generators for electricity and working plumbing is scarce.
iraq also had the largest standing army in the mideast.
so now, years later, countless lives, and trillions of dollars later, we havent found any evidence of WMDs, and no terrorist links to osama.
so....why are we there?
democracy? gimme a break. theres a lot worse places to we could have "settled."
again we have meddled in affairs and events we didnt understand and have managed to destabilize a whole region.

dont get me wrong....im not a peace freak. i just dont understand what the hell were doing there, and worse yet, i dont think our policymakers do either.

not popular because it's wrong

[evomind2]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

not popular because it's wrong

not really.
forget the propaganda and ask why were spending trillions out there and losing many of our boys lives. for what? you dont still think there are WMD's there do you??
just this week a local kid from my neighborhood just lost his life out there so it brings it a bit closer to home.
i certainly wouldnt wanna send my son there.
(keep in mind im not trying to make this a political "republican vs. democrat" debate or anything. as far as im concerned u can dump em all in the river.)

anyway, sorry to get off topic.

[GLBLWARMR]

Originally Posted by evomind2

not really.
forget the propaganda and ask why were spending trillions out there and losing many of our boys lives. for what? you dont still think there are WMD's there do you??
just this week a local kid from my neighborhood just lost his life out there so it brings it a bit closer to home.
i certainly wouldnt wanna send my son there.
(keep in mind im not trying to make this a political "republican vs. democrat" debate or anything. as far as im concerned u can dump em all in the river.)

anyway, sorry to get off topic.

You know what we are over there fighting so you can continue to spout off with this bullsh*t. It is just a matter of time before the extremists carry out another attack on US soil and you will be sitting here saying where was our military? Why didn't they stop this from happening?? If you haven't figured it out we are there trying to stop extremism. It is the same reason that we have forces stationed around the world. We have forces in places like Southeast Asia because there are Muslim extremists over there trying to do the same thing and are receiving support from the Middle East.

Ohh it brings it a little closer to home boo fawking hoo. I have lost numerous buddies during this fight and I won't say it brings it a little closer to home. We know what we are getting into and all of us volunteered. Instead of saying "it brings it a little closer to home" you could say something to honor the kid like "I am sorry for his death but he brings honor to his family by fighting for them".

You wouldn't be sending your son there. If he made the decision that he wanted to fight then that is his decision. I would be honored if my children joined the fight and took over where I left off. But then again I know what I am fight for.

[evomind2]

Originally Posted by GLBLWARMR

You know what we are over there fighting so you can continue to spout off with this bullsh*t. It is just a matter of time before the extremists carry out another attack on US soil and you will be sitting here saying where was our military? Why didn't they stop this from happening?? If you haven't figured it out we are there trying to stop extremism. It is the same reason that we have forces stationed around the world. We have forces in places like Southeast Asia because there are Muslim extremists over there trying to do the same thing and are receiving support from the Middle East.

Ohh it brings it a little closer to home boo fawking hoo. I have lost numerous buddies during this fight and I won't say it brings it a little closer to home. We know what we are getting into and all of us volunteered. Instead of saying "it brings it a little closer to home" you could say something to honor the kid like "I am sorry for his death but he brings honor to his family by fighting for them".

You wouldn't be sending your son there. If he made the decision that he wanted to fight then that is his decision. I would be honored if my children joined the fight and took over where I left off. But then again I know what I am fight for.

for the most part i agree with what your saying.
the point im trying to make is i dont think iraq was the place to start.
if ya wanna take out extremist nations, how abt iran? they have always been a bigger threat to us than iraq ever was.
btw.....i am honored the kid served his country, but to say "I am sorry for his death but he brings honor to his family by fighting for them" is hard because his family didnt look to "honored" when i saw them.
im sure in a way they are.
again, i dont disagree with what your saying in principle, but specifically the terrorists that you allude to didnt come from iraq nor were they trained there.

[Mr. I - Man]

Originally Posted by evomind2

for the most part i agree with what your saying.
the point im trying to make is i dont think iraq was the place to start.
if ya wanna take out extremist nations, how abt iran? they have always been a bigger threat to us than iraq ever was.
btw.....i am honored the kid served his country, but to say "I am sorry for his death but he brings honor to his family by fighting for them" is hard because his family didnt look to "honored" when i saw them.
im sure in a way they are.
again, i dont disagree with what your saying in principle, but specifically the terrorists that you allude to didnt come from iraq nor were they trained there.

How about Iran??

Do you play chess or have ever taken a gander at a map?


Afganistan

Iran (whats in the middle)

Iraq

If we take control of that real estate ( Iraq and Afganistan) and allow the people to set up some kind of democracy. The real threat is surrounded!

Second : A remote battle front is a helluva lot nicer than having your enemy fighting in your backyard.

Last: I wouldn't worry about your kid going off to combat. If he thinks any where near line of thought that you possess you have to might worry about him going off to Vermont and marrying some Nancy Boy he met in the Peace Corps.

[evomind2]

Originally Posted by Mr. I - Man

How about Iran??

Do you play chess or have ever taken a gander at a map?


Afganistan

Iran (whats in the middle)

Iraq

If we take control of that real estate ( Iraq and Afganistan) and allow the people to set up some kind of democracy. The real threat is surrounded!

Second : A remote battle front is a helluva lot nicer than having your enemy fighting in your backyard.

Last: I wouldn't worry about your kid going off to combat. If he thinks any where near line of thought that you possess you have to might worry about him going off to Vermont and marrying some Nancy Boy he met in the Peace Corps.

nice i-man.
yesterday i invite u to ride my atv anytime u want, today ur basically calling my son a fag.
classy.
i guess to me its a little more complex than what you describe. iraq is GENERATIONS away from having any political or military influence over iran now. (if you read your history u would know that iraq and iran held each other in check....thats all gone. we have to do that now.)
so you have a point, but it may be years and years b4 that great idea of yours comes to fruition.
im sorry if i tend to look at more than one angle of a problem. im sorry im not the kind of guy that takes the company line and says "everything is ok" when it clearly is not. doesnt it bother anybody that our administration is seemingly clueless as far as a specific gameplan?

im not here to personally slam people, but i-man if you want to slam me over a silly chat board topic that i tried to contribute to passing time at work, then god bless you anyway.
im not your enemy...

[Mr. I - Man]

Originally Posted by evomind2

nice i-man.
yesterday i invite u to ride my atv anytime u want, today ur basically calling my son a fag.
classy.
i guess to me its a little more complex than what you describe. iraq is GENERATIONS away from having any political or military influence over iran now. (if you read your history u would know that iraq and iran held each other in check....thats all gone. we have to do that now.)
so you have a point, but it may be years and years b4 that great idea of yours comes to fruition.
im sorry if i tend to look at more than one angle of a problem. im sorry im not the kind of guy that takes the company line and says "everything is ok" when it clearly is not. doesnt it bother anybody that our administration is seemingly clueless as far as a specific gameplan?

im not here to personally slam people, but i-man if you want to slam me over a silly chat board topic that i tried to contribute to passing time at work, then god bless you anyway.
im not your enemy...

Maybe your little comment about the family not looking so honored when you saw them, pissed me off. What the fvck is that? How in the Holy Fvck do you know how honored they felt??

Have you ever lost anybody in combat be it a buddy or family member???

Have you ever served your country???

Well I have done and felt all of the above.

I guess classy in your eyes is to talk dishonorably about dead servicemen and their families as some politically charged rebuttal to save some face in a stupid chat board argument.

Super classy dude.