Tragic. And just before XMAS.

[PARAGON]

In all seriousness, for the people I know here and any that care to reason with my opinions.

I think I've made my point that he drove himself into the predicament. Once there they did not have minimal provisions to carry on. They were able to light fires but for some reason did not keep a large hot fire going utilizing available wood.

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

Lastly, the only times he should leave the car is to forage for food and try to trap/kill small animals to eat and still continuing to build a stockpile of wood to keep a large fire going.

It just was a useless choice for him to venture out on his own unless he had some working knowledge of where he was going.... and it's obvious he did not.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

In all seriousness, for the people I know here and any that care to reason with my opinions.

I think I've made my point that he drove himself into the predicament. Once there they did not have minimal provisions to carry on. They were able to light fires but for some reason did not keep a large hot fire going utilizing available wood.

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

Lastly, the only times he should leave the car is to forage for food and try to trap/kill small animals to eat and still continuing to build a stockpile of wood to keep a large fire going.

It just was a useless choice for him to venture out on his own unless he had some working knowledge of where he was going.... and it's obvious he did not.

Too bad for him he was a computer guru and not an outdoor survivalist. If everyone had everyone elses knowledge in bad situations, they'd make it out alive. I bet you wouldn't make it if you had to rebuild a computer server to save your life.

[DennisAJC]

Moral of the story.....

Always carry enough water, spam, gas, matches, flares, satellite phone, candy bars, insolene, chainsaw, stitches, guns, lift kit, shovel, baby food, stove, fridge, back hoe, generator, spare car, 4th and 7th season of MacGyver DVDs, blankets, inflatable raft, oxygen, defibrillator, tent, wetsuit, scuba gear, rope, anti-venom, bee keeper's hat, bug repellent, harpoon, umbrella, sunscreen, bear spray and chains.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Too bad for him he was a computer guru and not an outdoor survivalist. If everyone had everyone elses knowledge in bad situations, they'd make it out alive. I bet you wouldn't make it if you had to rebuild a computer server to save your life.

I would use my Phone-a-Friend option

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I would use my Phone-a-Friend option

Aww... you'd call me for help? So sweet.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

In all seriousness, for the people I know here and any that care to reason with my opinions.

I think I've made my point that he drove himself into the predicament. Once there they did not have minimal provisions to carry on. They were able to light fires but for some reason did not keep a large hot fire going utilizing available wood.

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

Lastly, the only times he should leave the car is to forage for food and try to trap/kill small animals to eat and still continuing to build a stockpile of wood to keep a large fire going.

It just was a useless choice for him to venture out on his own unless he had some working knowledge of where he was going.... and it's obvious he did not.

Yep, you've made yourself crystal clear. You are a blind, cold-hearted fool; a small, petty man with no sense of compassion, sympathy, pity, understanding or charity.

Obviously the man made a series of mistakes that went from bad to worse. No duh. But he took responsibility for them and lost his life trying to help his family.

It's easy for you to sit in your lazy boy and call him stupid. Who knows ... maybe he was ... or maybe a dangerous world just got the best of him. But does it really matter? You're no paragon of perfection yourself, so why are you throwing stones? At least this guy didn't back down from the fight. His final actions were based on love for his family. Where's your heart of gold, paragon? ... missing in action. You make that clearer with every spiteful post.

Enough is enough. Leave the dead in peace and stfu.

[DennisAJC]

[Mrs.ssippi]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Yep, you've made yourself crystal clear. You are a blind, cold-hearted fool; a small, petty man with no sense of compassion, sympathy, pity, understanding or charity.

Obviously the man made a series of mistakes that went from bad to worse. No duh. But he took responsibility for them and lost his life trying to help his family.

It's easy for you to sit in your lazy boy and call him stupid. Who knows ... maybe he was ... or maybe a dangerous world just got the best of him. But does it really matter? You're no paragon of perfection yourself, so why are you throwing stones? At least this guy didn't back down from the fight. His final actions were based on love for his family. Where's your heart of gold, paragon? ... missing in action. You make that clearer with every spiteful post.

Enough is enough. Leave the dead in peace and stfu.

I just think the guy was not thinking. Smart people do stupid things all the time. My question is where was he going? Did he really think he could go for help? I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me. I live in the south, it never snows here, just ice. But I keep a blaket, a pair of tennis shoes and a 12 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper in my car at all times. And most of the time if you look on the floor of the car you can find at least a happy meal of old fries and chicken nuggets. We also keep MRE's in the Hummer at all times. But I keep all of that stuff just in case. Why? I don't know will it keep me and my kids alive? No, but it makes me feel better. I don't think anyone is saying that we are happy that this happened. It is a sad thing, lets just learn from this and move on. Everyone here keep some stuff in the truck that could help you. Something like MRE's, a small hatchet, some matches and anything you think might help you out. Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.

[h2co-pilot]

I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

FWIW- They even burnt all their tires including the spare.

The family's ordeal began when they missed a Highway 42 exit from Interstate 5. They had eaten dinner in Roseburg, Ore., and were trying to make it over the mountains to the coastal town of Gold Beach where they planned to stay the night, Kati Kim told authorities after her rescue. Looking at an Oregon map, they decided to take Bear Camp Road out of Grants Pass instead. The road is primarily used in the summer by rafters on the Rogue River. The route isn't plowed in the winter.

While this sounds impossible, go ahead and check out MapQuest's directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach. Yup, they include Bear Camp Road. Furthermore, take a look at Bear Camp Road on Google Maps (the road connects Grants Pass to Gold Beach)--it looks completely ordinary. Furthermore, drill down on the Google map satellite view, you can see how thick and vast the Cascade forest is directly off of Bear Camp Road.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

FWIW- They even burnt all their tires including the spare.

No, they only burned the spare, according to articles.

[h2co-pilot]

No, everything I have heard and read indicates all the tires were burned among other things.

The Kims woke to packed snow and ice and couldn't move their vehicle. For the next several days, Kati Kim says it rained all day and snowed all night. The family would occasionally turn on the car for heat, but gas was low. They also burned the car tires, magazines and damp driftwood for warmth.

http://www.koin.com/Global/story.asp?S=5784900

http://news.google.com/news?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=in&q=james+kim+tires+fire&btnG=Search+News

[Mrs.ssippi]

Hell, Paragon you and CP need to get a room already. Kiss and make-up.

[GLBLWARMR]

When the story first broke that the family had been found and the father had left to go find help, my first thought was he made it out and was sitting around somewhere hoping that his family would be found dead so he could collect the life insurance. Yeah I know that is some cold hearted sh*t but how can you think anything else with all of the fvcked up people out there. Sticking kids in microwaves, murdering 23 people, murdering 8 people, O.J., Scott Peterson and the long list of people who have drown their own kids. Just read a story about a father who used his 18 month old child as a speed bag to work his hands for his MMA match he had coming up. I figured that this was just another scheme by some screwed in the head dude.

I have been through so many different survival training courses that I could sit here and analyze everything that he did wrong and how he should have done things different but I am not. I apologize to the family for my initial thoughts. I am sorry those two girls will grow up without their real father. James Kim was one of the good ones.

[ROX]

Originally Posted by Mrs.ssippi

Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.

You wouldn't believe the amount of things in my car. My most recent being a 4 person survival bag from the Red Cross. I've been stranded once, a long long time ago. I'm not going to tell you what happened, but it could have been worse. It's something I'll never forget, and I'm always prepared. period.(even before I drove the H2)

Here's a fellow and his family that got stuck in some really crappy weather. When it snows in the Oregon Mtns it puts down feet of snow in a short amount of time. He got caught in it. When he left the car 7 days later, the snow had melted enough, (from what it looked like in the photo) for him to drive away. (When they found the Mom and girls the car was sitting on the PAVEMENT, NOT DIRT OR GRAVEL) They had burned the tires. As for the Mom not being able to leave because she couldn't carry her daughters thru the snow, God was watching over the girls. After 9 days of sitting in one spot, I'm sure most people would have started walking. The fact that Mr. Kim decided to walk into a dense forest canyon instead of walking down the road, is beyond me. Why they didn't start a raging fire underneath a big tree with their spare tire, I cannot understand.

Am I sorry he died? Absolutely. She's a widow with two little kids to raise and he ought to be around to contribute to what kind of ladies his girls become. But there are things to learn from this. Instead, the authorities in Oregon are plastered all over the news saying, "he didn't do anything wrong, he was just trying to save his family." He did do some things wrong and I think those should be pointed out so other people don't make the same mistakes he did.

If this guy had made a wrong turn in the desert......

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by Mrs.ssippi

I just think the guy was not thinking. Smart people do stupid things all the time. My question is where was he going? Did he really think he could go for help? I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me. I live in the south, it never snows here, just ice. But I keep a blaket, a pair of tennis shoes and a 12 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper in my car at all times. And most of the time if you look on the floor of the car you can find at least a happy meal of old fries and chicken nuggets. We also keep MRE's in the Hummer at all times. But I keep all of that stuff just in case. Why? I don't know will it keep me and my kids alive? No, but it makes me feel better. I don't think anyone is saying that we are happy that this happened. It is a sad thing, lets just learn from this and move on. Everyone here keep some stuff in the truck that could help you. Something like MRE's, a small hatchet, some matches and anything you think might help you out. Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.

That's good advice. I also keep tools, a blanket, power bars, water and an ammo can full of survival tools in my truck.

There's obviously a lot we can learn from the guy's mistakes. But sooner or later everyone gets in over their head. No one is foresighted enough to know everything, plan for every contingency and make all the right decisions to solve every problem every time.

[DR EVIL]

Moral of the Story:
Next time you are lost and your wife tells you to pull over and get directions....
Do it.

[DR EVIL]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

That's good advice. I also keep tools, a blanket, power bars, water and an ammo can full of survival tools in my truck.

There's obviously a lot we can learn from the guy's mistakes. But sooner or later everyone gets in over their head. No one is foresighted enough to know everything, plan for every contingency and make all the right decisions to solve every problem every time.

Seems like your taking this thing kinda hard. Would you like a kleenex.....

[DR EVIL]

for your sniffling .....

[DR EVIL]

and whining?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

Yep, you've made yourself crystal clear. You are a blind, cold-hearted fool; a small, petty man with no sense of compassion, sympathy, pity, understanding or charity.

Obviously the man made a series of mistakes that went from bad to worse. No duh. But he took responsibility for them and lost his life trying to help his family.

It's easy for you to sit in your lazy boy and call him stupid. Who knows ... maybe he was ... or maybe a dangerous world just got the best of him. But does it really matter? You're no paragon of perfection yourself, so why are you throwing stones? At least this guy didn't back down from the fight. His final actions were based on love for his family. Where's your heart of gold, paragon? ... missing in action. You make that clearer with every spiteful post.

Enough is enough. Leave the dead in peace and stfu.

Give me a fvcking break.

"Where's your hear of gold, paragon?"

What the fvck is that? Could your pussy hurt any worse?