Perfect handgun for CP

[Big Z]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I think way too many here are missing the point.

The original handgun I posted shoots both a .410 shotshell and a .45 Colt. One can chamber 2 .410s with buckshot for defense purposes and follow that with a .45 if wanted.

Shooting a .410 at the BG can be a much more effective defense for many than the required accuracy of the typical single slug handgun round.

That would be a GREAT little stopper!---With Crimson Trace Grips of course!....Even the Delicate Princess--CP, could handle it!

Go get a 22 auto pistol (ruger) and a 10/22 , a couple bricks of ammo, and GO SHOOT! Quite Typin about it, and GO Do!!....Let the collection begin!

[CO Hummer]

Hey, Did you guys know that Colorado doesn't honor the Virginia CCW? Colorado honors any state's permit if that state recognizes a CO permit. VA doesn't. What a loser state. You guys should get out of there ASAP!

http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/reciprocity.asp

[ssgharkness020147]

You think thats bad? At least they CAN carry in Va. Unlike the not so wonderful state of Wi that I'm stuck in.

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

Hey, Did you guys know that Colorado doesn't honor the Virginia CCW? Colorado honors any state's permit if that state recognizes a CO permit. VA doesn't. What a loser state. You guys should get out of there ASAP!

http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/reciprocity.asp

[2-H2's]

CP...ever had the need for one of these?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by 2-H2's

CP...ever had the need for one of these?

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by ssgharkness020147

You think thats bad? At least they CAN carry in Va. Unlike the not so wonderful state of Wi that I'm stuck in.

It was close one. I couldn't believe they didn't pass it. Didn't it get passed, then vetoed or something like that?

[KenP]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

It was close one. I couldn't believe they didn't pass it. Didn't it get passed, then vetoed or something like that?

Edit: You were talking about WI. That's just stupid they don't have it.

[PARAGON]

[KenP]

That's because we require printed, NOT hand written, permits.

[Storm Chaser]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Subject: Gun Control

Gun Control, whether you agree or not, is an interesting lesson in history. Something to think about...

*In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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*In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From
1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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* Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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* China established gun control in 1935. From
1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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* Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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* Uganda established gun control in 1970. From
1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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* Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From
1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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*Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated In the 20th century because of gun control: 56 million.
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*It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in,.. Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent,.. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent,.. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

.. In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!) Super Shocker huh?

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
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You won't see this data on the American evening news. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans....before it's too Late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

And especially to those you know who support gun control legislation! They have a right to know the truth.


Rolf Zierow

I was forwarded the above today. I found it interesting..

[h2co-pilot]

I like the P229.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

I like the P229.

I love it too, but I love all SIGs, big, little or small.

[partsguy]

Just throw you're cell phone at your attacker (hope that never happens by the way.)Or better yet show the picture of the spider living in your window sill.

[ssgharkness020147]

The gov. veto'd it. But it was over ridden from there. It made it all the way to the Assembely for the final time, much to my shagrin (along with most Wi residents) Doyal (our gov) was able to muscle enough power up to get it shut down. Yet again.

I just dont get it. We elect these people. Most people in Wisconsin wanted and still want CCW. Wisconsin is a pretty blue collar state. People work for a living here, and people want the right to defend themselves and what is theres. Along with being working class we have alot of sportman, generally sportsman like the idea of CCW. I dont get how Doyal keeps shutting it down, the people elect him, his job as the Governer is to represent the intrests of the people that put him in office.

The need for CCW varies greatly depending on where you are in Wisconsin. People in Madison dont want it, Madison is so liberal I literally will not go there. Ever. For any reason. At the same time Madison is quickly going down the toilet. Madison PD now requires.... Get this, I promise you'll love it. Before an officer can engage a suspect with their side arm they must GET PERMISSION from the department. Needless the say the cops are getting their asses handed to them by the perps. Considering this is all happening in a place where gangs have been gainging strength, primarily MS13. Minority housing is also a gripe with the few conseratives in Madison. I have a friend that lives in an area that the homicide rate went up 900% in under five years after minority housing was introduced to his neighborhood.


Then there is up north. You dont need CCW up there. Crime rates are very low overall, northern WI is a great place.

Then there is Milwaukee. Crime in Milwaukee has been getting worse and worse. Milwaukee is an economically depressed city. I live about 45 minutes out of Milwaukee, people out here want CCW because of Milwaukee. They see whats going on there on the news, or have a bad experience in Milwaukee, and it serves as an eye opener to them.

I had more bad experiences in Milwaukee then I can recall. I cant tell you how many times I got detoured from my route home because the police had to close down a block because of a shooting, getting followed by people. Or having to ditch people following me, which forced me to break the speedlimit to speeds that were way to fast for the areas. Then there was the guy that stood in front of a greenlight of an off ramp I was on, forcing me to stop so he could explain to me that I should give him and his daughter (that he told me flat out he had just taken from his wifes house. sounded really fishy) a ride somewhere. I can say from first hand experience Milwaukee is crawling with cops. They are everywhere. Except when and when you need them.

If I still had to go there I would be packing heat (in my car) legal or not. Its gotten to the point there where if you are carrying a gun illegally in Milwaukee and are confronted by an assailant you can shoot the SOB and get in no trouble for it. They wont even ticket you for carrying the weapon.

Well. My rant is complete.

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

It was close one. I couldn't believe they didn't pass it. Didn't it get passed, then vetoed or something like that?

[f5fstop]

KS had the same problem for years, the gov vetoed the bill to make CCW legal. The people kept electing pro congreesional people, but the same gov; makes no sense to me. However, earlier this year, the KS legislature overturned the veto, and KS has a law that goes into affect in about two weeks.

Now, an example of how a state should not pass a handgun law is Ohio. When the legislature passed the law, they did not put in a state preemption clause, so if you travel down I-75 with a magazine in a loaded handgun larger than 10 rounds, you are illegal in Toledo, some cities have ordnances against anything larger than a .45.

So, if WI ever gets a handgun law, petition the gov't to make sure to preempt city/county laws.

[KenP]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

Hey, Did you guys know that Colorado doesn't honor the Virginia CCW? Colorado honors any state's permit if that state recognizes a CO permit. VA doesn't. What a loser state. You guys should get out of there ASAP!

http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/reciprocity.asp

That's why when I pass thru CO I just leave it on the dash.

Fck with me, MOFO!!!!

FWIW, that'll probably change next Legislative session after your House Representative spoke. We like guys like him.

http://tancredo.house.gov/