diesel

[lennyrebel]

Originally Posted by H3PAC

I'm glad to see that you immediately pulled your original reply to Mac and toned it down some, but take it easy. Mac is very correct about new diesel technology, particularly in Europe, where there is a different, cleaner burning fuel technology as well. And not all diesels are horribly dirty. My father drove a Dodge pickup powered by a Cummins turbo diesel (an outstanding, bulletproof engine) for a number of years. There were no choking clouds of black soot spewing out from his exhaust. And being born in 1924, living through the great depression, and serving in WW2, my father, now 82 and a diesel advocate, is certainly not a member of the "me" generation.

I find it rather ironic that you, driving a vehicle that gets around 16 mph, is preaching about vehicle emissions and efficiency. Why don't you do the responsible thing and by a vehicle that gets 32 mpg and produces exactly half the emissions of your H3? Instead, you drive down the highway "spewing" twice the carcinogens and greenhouse gasses than you need to, while wagging your finger at others. I don't find your arguent to be very credible from an environmental standpoint. Perhaps take another tack. Attachment 34152

For your info. my first reply didn't enter right it was not any different than second. Okay I forgot how thin skinned all you H3ers are. Funny how you pick out parts of my statement and others such as how you can get way more gas from cracking crude than making diesel. Also I guess you don't understand difference between possible greenhouse gases and known carcinogens from diesel particulate . And My FAther God Bless HIs sole never let any foreign junk such as vws or toyotas on his property in the 88yrs that he lived. In the future I'll confine my messages to the H2ers who have more intelligence and less belligerence. I guess cops and wannabees always want the last word and to hell with Facts .THE REBEL and PROUD OF IT

[H3PAC]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

For your info. my first reply didn't enter right it was not any different than second. Okay I forgot how thin skinned all you H3ers are. Funny how you pick out parts of my statement and others such as how you can get way more gas from cracking crude than making diesel. Also I guess you don't understand difference between possible greenhouse gases and known carcinogens from diesel particulate . And My FAther God Bless HIs sole never let any foreign junk such as vws or toyotas on his property in the 88yrs that he lived. In the future I'll confine my messages to the H2ers who have more intelligence and less belligerence. I guess cops and wannabees always want the last word and to hell with Facts .THE REBEL and PROUD OF IT

I hate calling someone a liar, but you sure DID change your post. I was in the middle of replying to your original message to Mac when an error occurred (when you deleted your original). I just happened to save a particularly rude portion of it. Here it is:

Typical diesel owners just brag about their mpg while they go spewing their soot and carcinogens down the highway. Sure if your inside it you don't smell it everybody else has to. I guess your part of the me only generation and to hell with everybody else. for your information I'm in the automotive industry as well.

Look familiar? It should. You wrote it.

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

In the future I'll confine my messages to the H2ers who have more intelligence and less belligerence.

Promise?

[-=Mac=-]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

For your info. my first reply didn't enter right it was not any different than second. Okay I forgot how thin skinned all you H3ers are. Funny how you pick out parts of my statement and others such as how you can get way more gas from cracking crude than making diesel. Also I guess you don't understand difference between possible greenhouse gases and known carcinogens from diesel particulate . And My FAther God Bless HIs sole never let any foreign junk such as vws or toyotas on his property in the 88yrs that he lived. In the future I'll confine my messages to the H2ers who have more intelligence and less belligerence. I guess cops and wannabees always want the last word and to hell with Facts .THE REBEL and PROUD OF IT

Why am I not surprised by this post?

Fact? What facts, Lenny? The fact you're WRONG about diesels, the fact you tried and FAILED to impress with your "extensive" knowledge and experience or did you have some other "facts" which only exist in your head?

Now you've finally aired your true objection... you don't like cops.

Yeah, I saw your remark on the other thread. Funny for a guy who's been on this forum for a couple of months to be making smarmy remarks about me being a newby and how ironic for YOU to be telling ME to lighten up!!

I don't know nor care why you don't like cops but if you're not man enough to deal with me for who I am, not what I do for a living, what does that say about you?

For other who wish to continue discussing the possibility of a diesel H3, maybe even explore what size/type/configuration would work best, I would like to continue this thread despite the PROUD REBEL. Please excuse my redress of Lenny's nonsense. I've found it's best to put bullies in their place quickly and move on...

-Mac

[Viet Nam Vette]

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S.

[-=Mac=-]

The Jeep Liberty is available with a 2.8-liter four-cylinder motor that provides adequate power and 26 mpg with a 4 speed automatic tranny. When I test drove a Liberty, about the only thing which impressed me was the engine and even that was only adequate.

Since the H3 comes with an inline five, I took a look for inline five diesels and found this interesting article as well as numerous articles on the Dodge Sprinter which has an inline five turbodiesel giving 154 horsepower and 243 pounds-feet of torque. Hmmmm, more HP would be nice but that torque number looks good for a start.

-Mac

[Desert Dan]

Let's see if the Holden H3 they sell in Australia has a diesel option.

I still see fewer gas stations with diesel here in CA.
I haven't seen any E 85 yellow pumps yet

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by -=Mac=-

The Jeep Liberty is available with a 2.8-liter four-cylinder motor that provides adequate power and 26 mpg with a 4 speed automatic tranny. When I test drove a Liberty, about the only thing which impressed me was the engine and even that was only adequate.

That little 4 banger diesel puts out 295 ft-lbs at 1800 rpm. That's a lot of torque for 2.8 liters !!! It's all on the low end though ... drops off really fast after the peak, but still matches the 3.5L max even at 4000 rpm. Not much HP tho ... peaks at 160 HP.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

That's one good thing about the I-5 ... it has 2 torque peaks in the most used parts of the power band (2600 & 4800 rpm). HP peaks at 5600.

Here's a chart of the 3.5 and 3.7 L engines for comparison with the Liberty's CRD