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CO Hummer,
That letter was meant as a joke (obviously), not to be taken seriously.
On a serious issue, when I was a brand new rookie, my sergeant was driving an unmarked unit with poor lighting in the rear, just a couple of red and blue strobes. He stopped to help a young lady with two children in her car that had broken down in the left lane. Before he could get her vehicle moved to the shoulder, he was struck by a speeding vehicle in the rear of his car. He died on impact. That was my first week there.
I am a firearms and tactics instructor at my agency, I have trained three police officers that have been killed by gunfire in my state. I have lost two other friends in my line of work to traffic accidents (none were their fault). I have served in law enforcement for only ten years.
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CO Hummer,
That letter was meant as a joke (obviously), not to be taken seriously.
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I know. But it hit upon a real and prevailing attitude with a lot of cops.
BTW - I'm NOT in favor of flying by cops at 65mph. I don't think you should do that to anyone. The fact that they are law enforcement officers is irrelevant.
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Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....
Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.
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Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....
Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.
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I have, many times. My sister is a cop.
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I have, many times. My sister is a cop.
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I would take for granted then, that she is a professional and takes her duties and oath seriously "to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States".
If she developed an "attitude" about dealing with someone who might flip her off, (the part you seem concerned about) maybe that is a consequence of her everyday circumstances. How bout cutting her some slack?
I have lost almost a friend a year at work, and take sh*t from bad guys everyday that I work. I have been told how I should do my job almost everyday by the public. I must be a moron, except that I have been promoted by my agency to supervise other cops.
It is easy to sit back and point out the failings of others, no one is judged with hindsight like police. Yes, I am now whining on the internet also.
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I have been told how I should do my job almost everyday by the public. I must be a moron, except that I have been promoted by my agency to supervise other cops.
It is easy to sit back and point out the failings of others, no one is judged with hindsight like police. Yes, I am now whining on the internet also.
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What you should've done was type that in bold. Maybe some pictures as well?
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12-19-2006, 05:50 PM
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What you should've done was type that in bold. Maybe some pictures as well?
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Thanks Dei, I'll keep that in mind next time.
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I would take for granted then, that she is a professional and takes her duties and oath seriously "to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States".
If she developed an "attitude" about dealing with someone who might flip her off, (the part you seem concerned about) maybe that is a consequence of her everyday circumstances. How bout cutting her some slack?
I have lost almost a friend a year at work, and take sh*t from bad guys everyday that I work. I have been told how I should do my job almost everyday by the public. I must be a moron, except that I have been promoted by my agency to supervise other cops.
It is easy to sit back and point out the failings of others, no one is judged with hindsight like police. Yes, I am now whining on the internet also.
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Yes, you are whining on the internet.
Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her?
Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.
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Yes, you are whining on the internet.
Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her?
Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.
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Springs police officer killed during traffic stop
By ANSLEE WILLETT THE GAZETTE
A Colorado Springs patrol officer shot while helping two other cops with a traffic stop late Monday on the city's southeast side died early today.
The officer, whose name is expected to be released later today, was pronounced dead at 12:18 a.m. at Memorial Hospital. He's the second city police officer killed this year in the line of duty.
The alleged killer also was shot during the gun battle about 11:30 p.m. Monday on Fountain Boulevard between Murray Boulevard and Jet Wing Drive. He was taken to the hospital in critical condition and is expected to survive, police said. His name has not been released.
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wasn't wounded. A third officer was in a patrol car at the scene when the shooting occurred.
The officer who was killed was providing backup for the cop who pulled the car over at 11:14 p.m. on the bridge that crosses Sand Creek. The driver was believed to be driving under the influence of alcohol, but it wasn't clear if that was suspected before or after the traffic stop, said Sgt. Mark Stevens, a spokesman for the Police Department.
"Normally, if an officer does a traffic stop, he talks to the driver," Stevens said, "and if he feels he needs assistance, he will call for help."
When two of the officers approached the car in the westbound lanes, the driver opened fire on them, Stevens said. The officer who was fatally wounded was near the driver's door when he was shot.
Hours after the shooting, about a dozen police cars remained at the scene. At least nine orange cones near the alleged killer's car marked evidence, including shell casings. Police slowly walked up and down the westbound and eastbound lanes, using flashlights to look for more evidence.
"It's just sad. Two in one year," Lt. Rafael Cintron said, referring to how many officers have been killed.
Officer Jared Jensen, 30, was killed Feb. 22 near Memorial Park while trying to arrest a fugitive. He was shot once in the face from less than an inch away at a bus bench at Costilla Street and Hancock Avenue. His gun wasn't drawn.
Jensen's alleged killer, 31-year-old Jereme Lamberth, was charged with first-degree murder. Federal agents found Lamberth hiding in an abandoned cabin near South Nevada Avenue and Interstate 25 about 90 minutes after the shooting.
Lamberth was wanted at the time for allegedly stabbing his sister about a dozen times.
Lamberth was expected last month to enter his plea in Jensen's killing, but it was postponed until Jan. 25. Prosecutors will have 60 days from the arraignment to announce whether they'll seek the death penalty.
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Yes, you are whining on the internet.
Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her?
Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.
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On behalf of the rest of the American Public, I don't support your sentiment.
You're right, the public doesn't "owe" him or any other LEO anything, but they deserve more.
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12-19-2006, 06:26 PM
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Yes, you are whining on the internet.
Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her?
Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.
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CO Hummer,
It is obvious I will not succeed in swaying your opinions at all.
I was simply trying to defend my occupation and those that practice law enforcement. I don't know your sister, I assumed she is professional, (as I would with all cops until they show me otherwise) if you took my meaning wrong, I'm sorry.
Cops are not perfect they just do the best they can with what they have, they make mistakes like everybody else. They are held to the highest standards. If in trouble, they will pay a higher price.
I love my job and try to be laid back in my approach with the public. Respect is a two way street. If you give it you get it. It doesn't always work, but I always try. 
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12-19-2006, 05:23 PM
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Re: Stupid Cop
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Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....
Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.
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Was just getting ready to say that...
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Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....
Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.
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This is simply another pragmatic argument.
What if I say "I'm a very busy person and have a very little free time. So, I need to driver faster than the speed limit. If you walked a mile in my shoes, you'd understand."  You'd probably throw something at me that says "well, the law is the law and you broke it". But, that is actually MY point.
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This is simply another pragmatic argument.
What if I say "I'm a very busy person and have a very little free time. So, I need to driver faster than the speed limit. If you walked a mile in my shoes, you'd understand."  You'd probably throw something at me that says "well, the law is the law and you broke it". But, that is actually MY point.
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Naw, I would say, "Leave 10 min earlier." lol
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Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....
Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.
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I've done "ride alongs" a few times and had a great time. Some punk ass bitch showed us respect by throwing an empty malt liquor bottle at us in a heavily patrolled ghetto. It was pretty sweet the way he was taken down by several officers.  (I've never done a ride-along in Va Beach. No fun and excitement.)
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I've done "ride alongs" a few times and had a great time. Some punk ass bitch showed us respect by throwing an empty malt liquor bottle at us in a heavily patrolled ghetto. It was pretty sweet the way he was taken down by several officers.  (I've never done a ride-along in Va Beach. No fun and excitement.)
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The funniest ridealong I did was when we pulled over a drunk driver. Watching that guy try to do the roadside sobriety test was hilarious. But it got better when she put him in the car. He was all over me, telling me how it was illegal for me to be there and how he was going to sue me, etc, etc. I didn't say a word. Just kept a big grin on my face. 
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The first ride-along I did sucked. The officer was reactive, not-proactive. He just sat around waiting for a call, not really making himself visible.
My third ride-along was the best. It was set up by my Trooper friend. I rode with a buddy of his on the Portsmouth PD. AWESOME!!!
Right out of the box we went to a place called "Hell's Kitchen" by way of curb hopping, driving through the basketball courts, etc. Got there just in time for a Narc bust. The officer told me to watch my back if I got out since I was wearing a tie and jacket.  I got out, but kept looking around.
Then we had the bottle winged at us.
Later we hit another ghetto and damn if he didn't go chasing some other thug.
Again, none of this happened at the Beach. I doubt "Cops" will ever come here again. Did you see that episode? Boring....
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Robert A. Hill Sr.
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? November 25, 2006 | Last updated 12:36 PM Nov. 27
SOUTHAMPTON - A State Police trooper was struck by a passing car and killed Friday as he stood on the side of U.S. 58 after issuing a summons to a motorist.
Robert A. Hill Sr., 42, of Courtland, was outside of his unmarked patrol car near Adams Grove, about six miles east of Emporia, said State Police spokesman Sgt. D.S. Carr.
Hill had served nearly 20 years with the State Police.
"This incredible tragedy is not only impacting the members of our department, but those within the Franklin and Southampton communities," said Col. W. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of the State Police.
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The fact that they are law enforcement officers is irrelevant.
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Again, I disagree. And I think that is where the rub is here and with most.
LEO's are just civis doing another job, correct. But they answer to and are the enforcement of the law of the land. As an extension of that law, when you disrespect an officer, you disrespect that law. You cannot conveniently separate the two just because there are some bad apples that don't handle their responsibility as a LEO very well.
The fact that an LEO is stopped on the side of the road with in a traffic enforcement situation might seem like any other job. But the fact is that he might need to evade some delusional lunatic and take a step out into traffic to keep from getting sliced, or shot. The fact that he is a LEO is completely relevant.
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As an extension of that law, when you disrespect an officer, you disrespect that law.
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No way, never. I am not required to respect the law. I am only required to obey it. There is a huge difference. Likewise, I am not required to respect any officer, only obey him so far as he acts within his legal authority. If I can flip off an everyday Joe for driving like and idiot, I can flip off a police officer for doing the same. They can earn my respect, and they will get it. But it is NOT something that anyone can demand, just based on a voluntary decision to take a paid civil service job.
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The fact that an LEO is stopped on the side of the road with in a traffic enforcement situation might seem like any other job. But the fact is that he might need to evade some delusional lunatic and take a step out into traffic to keep from getting sliced, or shot.
The fact that he is a LEO is completely relevant.
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No, it's not. Your argument, like many others', presupposes that the police officer does not make a voluntary choice to choose his employment and the associated risks. Killing an "civilian" is no different than killing a police officer. Both are equal.
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No way, never. I am not required to respect the law. I am only required to obey it. There is a huge difference. Likewise, I am not required to respect any officer, only obey him so far as he acts within his legal authority. If I can flip off an everyday Joe for driving like and idiot, I can flip off a police officer for doing the same. They can earn my respect, and they will get it. But it is NOT something that anyone can demand, just based on a voluntary decision to take a paid civil service job.
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respect and obey, is the same thing. To disrespect law is the same as to ignore it. I am not saying that's what you meant, but that is what I meant when I say respect.
To respect a LEO and the Law has nothing to do with the individual officer. It is your duty as a citizen to abide by the laws of the land and respect those laws as you are required to do to live within that land.
You are, indeed, required to respect law. If you do not, you pay the price with your freedom. The definition of respect as used here is not to hold a person in regard, but the acknowledgement of that that exists... the law.
I'm not sure why you have such disdain for civil service. You turn the fact that someone that volunteers for crappy pay on job where they are highly likely to get killed by the scum of our society would be somehow less than the same if said person was forced into that same job.
The very fact that these individual DO volunteer to do this should garner a little respect and I can't fathom why it's such a stretch to do so.
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