Gunmen Attack National Guard Border Patrol Site in Arizona

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This was also on TV. The NG is unarmed at the border due to Posse Comitatus, so they are in an observation mode only. The armed Mexicans were drug runners who surged across the border, causing the NG to retreat since they had not way to defend themselves against armed invaders.
Do shots have to be fired to say that an invasion is armed? If there are a number of Mexicans running surging across the US Border, and they are armed, yes it is an armed invasion of people who are not entering this country legally.
Sad part is if I was on the border as a civilian, I could be legally armed. Some Minutemen are armed...legally. So why not the NG?

I say one way to help this influx of these people, is to arm the NG, and shoot when necessary.

[DennisAJC]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

Do shots have to be fired to say that an invasion is armed?

Woah!!!! It was an invasion now??? Sensational!

I love how rumors get inflated and dramtic as it travels down the line. In two weeks the death toll will be at 50.

Originally Posted by tanklizard

No shots were fired in the incident, and no one was injured. Border Patrol spokesman Mario Martinez stressed that "there was no attack."

Oh the drama. For nothing special.

[DRTYFN]

Oh, that's just great - 4 more armed Mexican illegals in the country.

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by DRTYFN

Oh, that's just great - 4 more armed Mexican illegals in the country.

4? I wish I live where you live.

We had a stolen vehicle with 4 armed Mexican Nationals, fire on police last night during a pursuit at 3:00 am. It didn't even make the local news this morning.

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The word Invasion, I believe, can me any number of people.
Can I ask what the unarmed Canadian border patrol agents would do (throw buffalo chips)? Or did Canada finally arm their own agents?

I was totally shocked a few month ago when crossing the border, to find out that Canadian agents are unarmed, and have to rely on the OPP ( in Ontario) for protection. Here they were, searching me and my vehicle for handguns, and they were armed with Mace and a billy club. Strange a country does not even trust their own law enforcement to be armed, but then again, Canada is just a colony of Great Britain, and most Bobbies are unarmed; as well as all their citizens on the islands.

Well, I guess they will be armed...eventually:
"CEUDA Pleased the Government is Honouring its
Promise to Arm and Double-up Border

AUG 31 ... Today’s announcement by the Right Honourable Prime Minister Stephen Harper that the New Government remains committed to arming Officers at the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and to doubling-up one-person shifts comes as welcome news to the Customs Excise Union Douanes Accise (CEUDA), which represents 9,000 members working in CBSA."

Good to hear, Canada is not identical to Mother England.

[DennisAJC]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

The word Invasion, I believe, can me any number of people.
Can I ask what the unarmed Canadian border patrol agents would do (throw buffalo chips)? Or did Canada finally arm their own agents?
I love how this topic has move from one country to feably attempting to insult next.

I was totally shocked a few month ago when crossing the border, to find out that Canadian agents are unarmed, But why do they need to be armed?? and have to rely on the OPP ( in Ontario)Nope, that's wrong again. for protection RCMP here are the best in the world. There's no need . Here they were, searching me and my vehicle for handguns HAHAHA!!! , and they were armed with Mace and a billy club. Strange a country does not even trust their own law enforcement to be armed Not about trust. There's just no need., but then again, Canada is just a colony of Great Britain, and most Bobbies are unarmed; as well as all their citizens on the islands.

Good to hear, Canada is not identical to Mother England. We're still sovreign to the Queen.

I believe guns serve many purposes. But I also have an opposite view to your view that guns make you strong and righteous. It doesn't work as the current global situations prove.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by DennisAJC

I believe guns serve many purposes. But I also have an opposite view to your view that guns make you strong and righteous. It doesn't work as the current global situations prove.

what kinda kooky comment is that. Guns are weapons and used are tools just as any other tool. Don't start.

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The guard is better than it was many years ago when they shot down students @ kent state U. The concept of issue guard soldiers guns without live ammo seems silly however it still happens on occasion to prevent errors. Untill the problems with frivolous lawsuits and Justice dept related issues are solved....Guns no bullets!
Stay tuned Nancy and her friends from San Fran have a "Plan"
A Sensitivty Training and relating to Terrorists and thier special needs.
B More Gays in the Guard "Its not your daddy's Armed Forces"
C How to win friends and influence people in Iraq and Iran with flowers
D We found Jimmy Hoffa and he is paying off Ossama for us, cheap!
By 2009 there will be a mass migration of Mexicans to Canada and one problem will be gone by attrition. The US will no longer be a viable tit to leach on.
Democrats score another victory

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I gotta say that I agree with Dennis and Drty. I live in California where there is obviously many "illegal" aliens. There are two sides to the equation, yes our healh system is being comprimised, yes, our taxes go up to support the influx of non-nationals (not only hispanics), yes, criminal activity in some parts of the country is up. I agree that some stop gaps need to be put in place - but who of us on this forum can say their families arrived on the Mayflower? I happen to be Irish and as a child heard stories from my Grandfather (who arrived from Ireland and whose name is now at the Ellis Island Museum), about the Irish and how "lazy, stupid, dirty, alcoholic" they were. The people that were complaining the most were those without the Irish Nanny, Irish Handyman, Irish roofer, etc.
I absolutely agree that something needs to be done for our border security, for not only Mexico, but also Canada. Stories tend to take on a life of their own, i.e. border guards being assualted. Our government needs to address this, but there is way too much money (since working illegal aliens pay Federal taxes) for them to do anything of significance.
It would be wise for the U.S. to institute what New Zealand has for non-nationals. They are allowed in the Country and if they don't have a job, I believe after three months, they are deported.
I know that the influx in this County is quite different from NZ, but if they can put a man on the moon........

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by DennisAJC

Woah!!!! It was an invasion now??? Sensational!

I love how rumors get inflated and dramtic as it travels down the line. In two weeks the death toll will be at 50.

Oh the drama. For nothing special.

How many people live in Canada? 35 million yet?

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/06...tml?eref=yahoo

So, Canadians don't think America has an invasion? If the suspected number of illegal Mexicans were in Canada, they would be almost 1 in every 3 there.

The incident described above is one situation. They have killed multiple border agents in the last few years. There have been reports of Mexican soldiers firing into the US to provide cover for drug smugglers and human traffickers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11226144/

It goes on and on, this is not one incident, it's just another example.