V8 H3 Alpha

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by H3 Builder

When you talk about any vehicle you always hear the same thing, "IT NEEDS MORE POWER". Now I agree that extra power is always better, but GM had to make a choice and went with the same power plant as the Colorado engine. If you noticed, GM has been bringing new products to market at a reasonable price. If you start adding this and that, it can bring the price up. If GM thinks there is a market and sell plenty of product to be worth while, then the buisness case is made, then things happen.

I agree, but there is one on this thread who likes to think he knows, but has not idea what he is talking about...got that Steve.


I have a feeling if the V8 does come, he will complain about how it is priced and packaged.

F5, you are wrong about me. Got that? Got milk? And I would not complain about a bit more power.

And I agree with Sewie's comments:
"I don't think the mileage was as much an issue in choosing the I5 as the fact that it was already available. Why plonk all the money into R&D when you already have an engine that is capable enough and that you can drop right in."

"Now that the H3 is released and successful, and enough people are complaining about power, it makes sense for GM to look at other options."

And I agree with H3 Builder's comments:
"When you talk about any vehicle you always hear the same thing, "IT NEEDS MORE POWER". Now I agree that extra power is always better, but GM had to make a choice and went with the same power plant as the Colorado engine. If you noticed, GM has been bringing new products to market at a reasonable price. If you start adding this and that, it can bring the price up. If GM thinks there is a market and sell plenty of product to be worth while, then the buisness case is made, then things happen."

"It does not need a v-8. I heard the same thing all the time selling. power, power, power. well then why do so many bitch about MPG.?"

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

F5, you are wrong about me. Got that? Got milk? And I would not complain about a bit more power.

And I agree with Sewie's comments:
"I don't think the mileage was as much an issue in choosing the I5 as the fact that it was already available. Why plonk all the money into R&D when you already have an engine that is capable enough and that you can drop right in."

"Now that the H3 is released and successful, and enough people are complaining about power, it makes sense for GM to look at other options."

And I agree with H3 Builder's comments:
"When you talk about any vehicle you always hear the same thing, "IT NEEDS MORE POWER". Now I agree that extra power is always better, but GM had to make a choice and went with the same power plant as the Colorado engine. If you noticed, GM has been bringing new products to market at a reasonable price. If you start adding this and that, it can bring the price up. If GM thinks there is a market and sell plenty of product to be worth while, then the buisness case is made, then things happen."

"It does not need a v-8. I heard the same thing all the time selling. power, power, power. well then why do so many bitch about MPG.?"

I understand the gist of what you're saying but, and this is a butt as big as Jay-Lo's, it IS true. The H3 does need more power. For any other time that it's being used other than on the trail, it's considered anemic. When I drive our Denali to work for a few days, then jump in the H3, I feel like I'm flogging a tired old mule. No more passing, no more hurrying, it just takes longer to get home even. It takes the joy out of driving on the road, and that's DAMNED important. What's important too is that it's not a comfortable feeling to know that instead of using an engine at 60% of it's power range, I'm nearing 100% quite frequently. An engine that's utilized at more of it's load rating is going to fail sooner, and that's the truth of it.

Adequate just doesn't cut it when you're in the auto business. What's needed is to pound the everlovin' krap out of the competition. Hell, our Denali only gets two mpg less than the H3. How many of you'd give up the 2mpg for all that power? All that driveability? I know I would!

Look at what happened to the SSR. I understand that it's a different application as well but the point is this: It was heavy, and underpowered when it was introduced with the krappy 5.3 and people hated it, sound familiar? We've had Yukons back to back, one with the 5.3, then the Denali with the 6.0. It was the same thing, the enjoyment of one over the other is truly an important factor. What doesn't seem like much on paper, made a huge difference in how we feel about the vehicle.

Hummer did indeed think out of the box on many issues with the H3, but on some of them, they're firmly planted IN the box like a snitch gangster's feet in concrete. The weak front end is one, and the engine's another. To beat the competition, they have to offer better. A stronger front end, and the 6.0 would be, gasp, innovative, and would bruise the competition badly. A V6 Dmax would be even better than that.

So the H3 Alpha gets a few inches longer. It gets a mile or two less per mpg. It'll need an HD frontend. You'd have to pay a few more thousand. Wanna bet me how many people on this forum woud jump TOMORROW if it were to come out with the 6.0 or V6 Dmax!?!

[RuggedH2]

I would. Tomorrow. Be damn happy to.

[usetosellhummer]

comparing a full size GMC to the H3 is stupid

[RuggedH2]

Maybe, but big torque is good.

I love my truck, I don't complain about it, I'm not bitchin.

But if they come out with a V8, I'm getting one.

[marin8703]

the need of power is in the foot of the beholder. There really isnt a point to a big engine if you dont really need it. I personally need just a tiny bit more power for towing, but i still got the H3 cauze it outshines most of the more powerfull trucks in almost every other aspect. Im still loving it, but if something more comes out in the h3, i might think about upgrading.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by usetosellhummer

comparing a full size GMC to the H3 is stupid

WHAT? It's all a matter of power vs. weight.

Geez, I sure hope some of you guys never make it on a study panel.

[Donkey_Kong]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

WHAT? It's all a matter of power vs. weight.

Geez, I sure hope some of you guys never make it on a study panel.

Why don't you get their addresses so you can kick their asses zit kid.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

It's all a matter of power vs. weight.

Para, that's just what confounds me.

The H2: 325 HP (@5,600 rmp)/6,400 lbs = 1 HP/19.69 lbs

The H3: 242 HP (@5,200 rmp)/4,700 lbs = 1 HP/19.42 lbs

Thus, if these numbers are correct, the H3 is about 1.4% more powerful than the H2 per weight carried. If you add the same equal weight, say 500 lbs, of people and cargo, to each vehicle, this does favor the H2, a little, but the ratio then becomes 1/21.23 for the H2 vs. 1/21.49 for the H3, which is only a 2.1% advantage in power/weight for the H2.

Is the reason the H3 is/seems less powerful because of the higher rpms required of the I5 or something else?

[CLAYDOG]

Originally Posted by Huck BB62

So the H3 Alpha gets a few inches longer. It gets a mile or two less per mpg. It'll need an HD frontend. You'd have to pay a few more thousand. Wanna bet me how many people on this forum woud jump TOMORROW if it were to come out with the 6.0 or V6 Dmax!?!

Sounds like your talkin' about a H2

If you look at the numbers comparing a I6 Envoy to a V8 Envoy Denali, mpg is almost identical.

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by CLAYDOG

Sounds like your talkin' about a H2

If you look at the numbers comparing a I6 Envoy to a V8 Envoy Denali, mpg is almost identical.

Not really, the H2 needs an upgrade too. It needs more power because it's heavier'n hell and has the aerodynamics of a billboard. I've read over and over about H2s being upgraded with superchargers and now Dmax engines. Now why would they do that?

They are putting 6.0s in H3s, but I'd bet my hiking boots that they rest of the drivetrain wouldn't survive ten minute with it on the trail.

I read an article in Diesel Power Magazine where a guy put a Cummins in a new Power Wagon. If he seriously offroads it, he's gonna kill axle parts because they simply aren't rated for it.

It's gotta be a package. The H3 is marketed as a serious offroading machine. When people do that, they bust 'em. You can be careful and help out the situation, but the Alpha needs to be built. One look above, and you can see the eagerness for it. I want it. I don't want a heep (won't be getting one either) Don't want to put a Powerwagon on the trails here (toooooo big) I love our H3, it just needs a little upgrade to be perfect.

When/if the H3 V8 Alpha Adventure comes out, there's going to be a LOT of used H3s available so you folks that think they're perfect will be ecstatic!

[KCJohn]

Ok just get out your checkbook. You guys who just gotta have more power can have it today, providing you are willing to put your money where your mouth is, and in some cases that would be QUITE a WAD of cash.

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