Finally!!!! H2O - H3 Spy shots!!!

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Just a side note for the Kid, wheeling ability has little to do with weight as long as you have the power and torque to move it.

wrong

you have a finite amount of contact patch area. The more weight you add to a vehicle the more that finite area has to keep grip and move. Gravity is working against that in any climbing situation, so the weight is trying to transfer downhill, causing the the truck to slide. More weight, more slide.

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

wrong

you have a finite amount of contact patch area. The more weight you add to a vehicle the more that finite area has to keep grip and move. Gravity is working against that in any climbing situation, so the weight is trying to transfer downhill, causing the the truck to slide. More weight, more slide.

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

In that prespective, I stand corrected. ,

[Urban Ops]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

[HummBebe]

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

A couple hundred "additional" lbs?

While I know Neil's stuff weighs a lot more, I can't see it weight that much more. Do you have the exact numbers - stocks with winch vs your new setup?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

maybe 5% of the time

Costs vs. benefits

it's adding less than 5% additional overall weight, does the additional weight with a winch "outweigh" the cost you give up with the possibility that you might lose some traction due to the additonal weight in a very few instances.

Everything is all about perspective.

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

A couple hundred "additional" lbs?

While I know Neil's stuff weighs a lot more, I can't see it weight that much more. Do you have the exact numbers - stocks with winch vs your new setup?

I wouldn't be surprised if it is close to 200lbs heavier than stock. Remember that she's replacing a plastic fascia with steel, then add the weight of the winch. There's still a brushguard to add as well.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Sewie

I wouldn't be surprised if it is close to 200lbs heavier than stock. Remember that she's replacing a plastic fascia with steel, then add the weight of the winch. There's still a brushguard to add as well.

Quit talking about me like I'm not here....

[CO Hummer]

I've heard that she's worried about the additional weight. But I think her problems are more deep-seeded. She's always talking about wanting to be the 'queen' wheeler and stuff. She's got personal issues, I think.

[ROX]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

I've heard that she's worried about the additional weight. But I think her problems are more deep-seeded. She's always talking about wanting to be the 'queen' wheeler and stuff. She's got personal issues, I think.

[KenP]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

I've heard that she's worried about the additional weight. But I think her problems are more deep-seeded. She's always talking about wanting to be the 'queen' wheeler and stuff. She's got personal issues, I think.

I have to agree with this opinion of her. I noticed this when I rode with her in Moab. She's an odd cracker.

[rsm688]

that weight will not hurt that much, who cares anyways.....i just wanna see some updated pics

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by KenP

I have to agree with this opinion of her. I noticed this when I rode with her in Moab. She's an odd cracker.

X2. She actually sent me this on a post card:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

It's not just the weight on the front that matters, it's also the balance front to rear. The new rack and rear bumper will help take care of that. If you do put it on a scale, get a per axle weight along with the total weight.

The contact patch from your 35s should take care of the extra traction needed with all the extra equipment (especially aired down). But I would be thinking about the t-bars and shocks, with all the extra sprung and unsprung weight. You might bounce more onthe stock suspension with it all. Weren't you looking into new t-bars a while back?

And fwiw, if you haven't switched to synthetic oil yet, now would be a good time. Your engine's going to be working a lot harder. You might also put a temp gauge in your tranny to see if a tranny cooler is in order.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

It's not just the weight on the front that matters, it's also the balance front to rear. The new rack and rear bumper will help take care of that. If you do put it on a scale, get a per axle weight along with the total weight.

The contact patch from your 35s should take care of the extra traction needed with all the extra equipment (especially aired down). But I would be thinking about the t-bars and shocks, with all the extra sprung and unsprung weight. You might bounce more onthe stock suspension with it all. Weren't you looking into new t-bars a while back?

And fwiw, if you haven't switched to synthetic oil yet, now would be a good time. Your engine's going to be working a lot harder. You might also put a temp gauge in your tranny to see if a tranny cooler is in order.

With the Rancho's I should be able to adjust to the "9" setting and be ok.

Yes heavy duty t-bars are on the list with a 30% higher spring rate. And Rocks and I were talking about doing a dual shock set up too. It's also on the list.

Went to Synth about 20K ago. I'll talk to Miles about the tranny cooler/guage. Good idea.

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

With the Rancho's I should be able to adjust to the "9" setting and be ok.

Yes heavy duty t-bars are on the list with a 30% higher spring rate. And Rocks and I were talking about doing a dual shock set up too. It's also on the list.

Went to Synth about 20K ago. I'll talk to Miles about the tranny cooler/guage. Good idea.

Please remain silent since we're trying to have a conversation about you. Thanks.

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

Please remain silent since we're trying to have a conversation about you. Thanks.

[HummBebe]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......

you poor thing......

[Bully13]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

One Way to find out...

[ROX]

Originally Posted by HummBebe
So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

Originally Posted by Bully13

One Way to find out...

You can start by driving it up Donkey Kong's A$$ HAHA!