wow.......Pit Bulls are some strong MOFO's.....

[Arizona Hummerboy]

Pit bull terrier shot and killed during arrest
By Erisa Nakano
ABC15.com
Posted: 2/7/07 8:46pm
A pit bull terrier was shot and killed Wednesday evening during an arrest in Phoenix.
Officers arrived at an apartment in hopes to find 20-year-old Vito Olivia, who had an outstanding felony warrant in relation to a weapons violations charge.
The door was ajar and the suspect was standing in the doorway.
At least four officers approached the apartment, identified themselves, and asked Olivia to surrender.
Officials say the suspect began to move his hands toward the waistband of his pants, and the officers took hold of the suspect with a struggle. A "machine-pistol" type handgun fell out of the man's pants.
Police say the Olivia's sister then released a fully-grown pit bull on the officers.
An officer fired a weapon in defense, striking and killing the dog.
Olivia and his juvenile sister were both arrested.
Another wanted felon, 42-year-old Reyna Arriola, was also found in the apartment and arrested.

[Arizona Hummerboy]

Stun gun saves Shih Tzu from pit bull attack


04:39 PM Mountain Standard Time on Thursday, February 8, 2007


By Steve Bodinet / 3TV reporter
Imagine watching your small dog being torn apart by a much larger one.
That's what happened to a Phoenix woman yesterday as she was walking her Shih Tzu.
It took a Taser gun to chase the attacking dog away.
Lori Hinton isn't married and has no children, but she says she still has still has family, her beloved Shih Tzu, Maddie. Yesterday as she and Maddie were taking a quiet walk, they came under attack.
Today, Maddie is not in a very good mood, and you can't blame her after what happened on her morning walk yesterday.
"I thought she was dead," Hinton said. "The dog wouldn't let go."
Hinton said her pup was viciously attacked by a dog she thinks is a pit bull.
"The dog had her by the underbelly, I could see that," she said.
Chunks of hair mark the battlefield at Hinton's quiet northeast Phoenix gated condominium. She fought in vain to get her Maddie free from the other dog's jaws.
"The next thing I knew men came to my aid and they were beating the dog," she said. "I could hear the reverberation in this dog's body, but it wouldn't let go."
Neighbor Carlos Hernandez finally got the dogs separated by using a Taser gun.
"I Tasered it in the back and it didn't do a thing, so I Tasered it in the neck and it dropped the dog and backed away," he said.
Hinton said the dog's owner, who was visiting her complex, grabbed the stunned dog and fled.
While Hinton said she's thankful to Hernandez and the others who came to the rescue, Maddie is a mess.
Hinton said she'll do what must be done to help her best friend because she's all she's got.
"I've never been more alone, knowing I may lose her," Hinton said

[bparker]

I did some research a while back in college about Pitbulls and here is what I found.

The "American" version of a pit bull is a mix:

They bread a "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" - that origionated from Staffordshire England

With a Boxer and a Dalmation to get the "American" Pit Bull

The "American" Pit Bull and the "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" were so closely related and in appearance the AKC split the breed by defining two different breeds to be recognized.

We now have the smaller Stafford Shire Bull Terrier (not popular in the USA because they are small.

And we have the "American Staffordshire Bull Terrier" AKA Pit Bull Terrier.

Other factoid:

The "hyper-agressive" highly sought after for game dogs "fighting gene" came from the Dalmation breed - since dalmations are so heavily "inbread/linebread" there are many "physcho" pups which are hyper-agressive - this gene was passed along to the "American Pit" and with this gene an "American Pit" is dam near unstoppable.



I have been around "pits" all of my life and I have only seen two dogs with the hyper agressive gene and they are not anything to be messed with. One I knew had attacked 4 people and killed 1 other dog before the age of 1yr old. She had to be put down. Her last chance was when she scaled a fence to attack a child despite being in a fenced yard chained to a tire filled with cement. She was still able to pull the tire to the fence and then get over it to bite a child that was taunting her.

From the same litter, her sister pup was totally mellow and loved people (hated cats) and is still living today (quite old) and is a lap dog for a firend of mine that is a lobbist and lives in Dallas.

The biggest pit bull i have ever seen was owned by Nate Newton (former Dallas Cowboy) and his "prize" dog was named "Barney" and was just over 180lbs!! He loved for us to throw footballs and play keep away as he would eventually catch it in mid air and pop them in his mouth and begin to shread them.

[Boss Hoss]

Originally Posted by bparker

I did some research a while back in college about Pitbulls and here is what I found.

The "American" version of a pit bull is a mix:

They bread a "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" - that origionated from Staffordshire England

With a Boxer and a Dalmation to get the "American" Pit Bull

The "American" Pit Bull and the "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" were so closely related and in appearance the AKC split the breed by defining two different breeds to be recognized.

We now have the smaller Stafford Shire Bull Terrier (not popular in the USA because they are small.

And we have the "American Staffordshire Bull Terrier" AKA Pit Bull Terrier.

Other factoid:

The "hyper-agressive" highly sought after for game dogs "fighting gene" came from the Dalmation breed - since dalmations are so heavily "inbread/linebread" there are many "physcho" pups which are hyper-agressive - this gene was passed along to the "American Pit" and with this gene an "American Pit" is dam near unstoppable.



I have been around "pits" all of my life and I have only seen two dogs with the hyper agressive gene and they are not anything to be messed with. One I knew had attacked 4 people and killed 1 other dog before the age of 1yr old. She had to be put down. Her last chance was when she scaled a fence to attack a child despite being in a fenced yard chained to a tire filled with cement. She was still able to pull the tire to the fence and then get over it to bite a child that was taunting her.

From the same litter, her sister pup was totally mellow and loved people (hated cats) and is still living today (quite old) and is a lap dog for a firend of mine that is a lobbist and lives in Dallas.

The biggest pit bull i have ever seen was owned by Nate Newton (former Dallas Cowboy) and his "prize" dog was named "Barney" and was just over 180lbs!! He loved for us to throw footballs and play keep away as he would eventually catch it in mid air and pop them in his mouth and begin to shread them.

There is no such thing as a 180lb pit. Perhaps you could breed a Neopolitan Mastiff and a large pit and pop out a large pitbull looking creature but a 180lb pit does not exist. You will see some pits topping out at 100(or at least thats how they are marketed but probably dont weigh that). These pits have a very strong influence of American Bulldog which can be large dogs themselves. Do a search for Gotti line or Razors Edge line and youll see what im talking about. They will not come out and say their dogs have American Bulldog blood in their pedigree it but its there--and they will probably lie about the dogs weights too($$$$$$).


Granted there are many pits that are owned irresponsibly and trained irresponsibly, most are great dogs. The press gives them a horrible wrap not to mention many of the "pit bull" attacks are misidentified as pits. Personally i probably wouldnt own one as you never know what recessive genes may come out from a irresponsible breeding in the past but to many they are great loyal loving trustworty companions.

[bparker]

Thats what I thought too... lol

Nate never said but I strongly suspect roids were used and maybe more.

Originally Posted by Boss Hoss

There is no such thing as a 180lb pit.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by bparker

I did some research a while back in college about Pitbulls and here is what I found.

The "American" version of a pit bull is a mix:

They bread a "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" - that origionated from Staffordshire England

With a Boxer and a Dalmation to get the "American" Pit Bull

The "American" Pit Bull and the "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" were so closely related and in appearance the AKC split the breed by defining two different breeds to be recognized.

We now have the smaller Stafford Shire Bull Terrier (not popular in the USA because they are small.

And we have the "American Staffordshire Bull Terrier" AKA Pit Bull Terrier.

Other factoid:

The "hyper-agressive" highly sought after for game dogs "fighting gene" came from the Dalmation breed - since dalmations are so heavily "inbread/linebread" there are many "physcho" pups which are hyper-agressive - this gene was passed along to the "American Pit" and with this gene an "American Pit" is dam near unstoppable.



I have been around "pits" all of my life and I have only seen two dogs with the hyper agressive gene and they are not anything to be messed with. One I knew had attacked 4 people and killed 1 other dog before the age of 1yr old. She had to be put down. Her last chance was when she scaled a fence to attack a child despite being in a fenced yard chained to a tire filled with cement. She was still able to pull the tire to the fence and then get over it to bite a child that was taunting her.

From the same litter, her sister pup was totally mellow and loved people (hated cats) and is still living today (quite old) and is a lap dog for a firend of mine that is a lobbist and lives in Dallas.

The biggest pit bull i have ever seen was owned by Nate Newton (former Dallas Cowboy) and his "prize" dog was named "Barney" and was just over 180lbs!! He loved for us to throw footballs and play keep away as he would eventually catch it in mid air and pop them in his mouth and begin to shread them.

You may have done your research and owing the two breeds does give you experience...

BUT

THERE NEVER HAS BEEN A PURE PIT BULL OR AMERICAN Staffordshire or variation that weighted 180 lbs.

Mixed bred with a Great Dane or Mastiff or other VERY large heavy breed maybe. My Mom was a Pit Bull Judge with the UKC and is currently a Great Dane Judge in the AKC (no 180 lb Pit Bulls) I have been around many breeds, mostly Great Danes for over 55 Years. Largest Dane I ever saw was 230 lbs and he was a freak of nature. I've been exposed to large Rots, Danes, Mastiffs, Newfoundlands, St Barnards and a few other rare breed large dogs and of course large mixed breeds.

I'm sure that maybe when you saw this LARGE PIT you were drinking or smoking or very very young so everything looked large...

I will retract the above if you can supply documentation in addition to : "PICTURES TALK, BULL**** WALKS"

[bparker]

I have seen a pit/dane mix - his name was Grendel and was massive as in height and over all size. He wasnt as muscular as Barney. And no, I never had the balls to tell a former pro football defensive lineman bull$hit to his face and demand he put him on a scale so I could later prove to nay sayers on the internet (rolleyes).

Just call me a liar and I am happy, you didnt see him, you never knew him... but I guess you have seen it all.... (roll eyes)...

And sure Nate could have fudged on the weight, but i have yet to see one or anyting like him.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by bparker

I have seen a pit/dane mix ( i sure hope the male was the Pit) - his name was Grendel and was massive as in height and over all size. He wasnt as muscular as Barney. And no, I never had the balls to tell a former pro football defensive lineman bull$hit to his face and demand he put him on a scale so I could later prove to nay sayers on the internet (rolleyes).

Just call me a liar ( no, not calling you a lier, just saying you may have been under the influence) and I am happy, you didnt see him, you never knew him... but I guess you have seen it all ( not all but lots in reference to dogs ).... (roll eyes)... ( )

And sure Nate could have fudged on the weight, but i have yet to see one or anyting like him.

Have a Hornsby Hard Cider on me (extra cold)

RYD