H3 T Codenamed GMT745,

check out that prototype exhaust outlet...

[Desert Dan]

Maybe the rear leaf springs and front T-bars can be put on the H3's

[3Hummer]

how is the spare tire going to hurt the departure angle?

[HoosierH3]

Looks to me that the spare is tucked up pretty good. As high as the leaf springs and rear bumper. Can't see it effecting departure. The tail pipe though??? That's another story.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by 3Hummer

how is the spare tire going to hurt the departure angle?

It relatively lowers the rear end where it hits the ground when departing.
Fact: Colorado/Canyon with the off-road package has 1 degree less departure angle than the standard 4x4. Reason, the off-road package has a larger spare, and that extra width detracts from the departure angle.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Why is the grille covered? This appears to have 2008 lower bumper.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Why? Are we really supposed to believe this is the SUV version?

Why?

[SHYANNE]

Not everyone who may buy this will want to go to moab and go wheeling.Maybe they wil drive it and use it like a ford sport track that was out.I dont know but it doesnt look like it is going to cater to those who want to go wheeling at moab.Maybe some will just like the look and use it as a suv and a truck to haul some small light weight stuff for thier needs.Does everyone think it has to be built for moab ? I know it is fun there at moab but not everyone who drives a H 3 cares about that do they ?

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by SHYANNE

Not everyone who may buy this will want to go to moab and go wheeling.Maybe they wil drive it and use it like a ford sport track that was out.I dont know but it doesnt look like it is going to cater to those who want to go wheeling at moab.Maybe some will just like the look and use it as a suv and a truck to haul some small light weight stuff for thier needs.Does everyone think it has to be built for moab ? I know it is fun there at moab but not everyone who drives a H 3 cares about that do they ?

My original point about departure angle wasn't unique to Moab. Hummers are built with the "angles" in mind. So are the other vehicles that the other manufacturers actually intend to be capable off road. So far every Hummer has class leading "angles". The angles are important off road, climbing is climbing. That's why they consider those angles in the first place. You can't consider all 4X4's "off roaders". If the vehicle overhangs in the front and the rear, and has **** clearance at breakover, then all 4 wheels aint going up that.

I can't tell whats underneath that camouflage anymore than anyone else. With the exception of F5 and Claydog, we are all just speculating.

It does look to me (Bebe's post #4, first picture) like the rear bumper has been moved further back, that might just be subterfuge. If it isn't, or if I'm seeing it wrong, it won't hurt the dpt angle as much as it looks like it will, to me.

GM's engineers know what Hummer is, it's not them I worry about. I think that GM should remain loyal to the original idea.

I like the new JK, but I don't like Jeep Liberty's. They sell a lot of them though.