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[hummer_metal]

Unions....

Fair enough, I called NCST today, they have 15 months of school behind them. Yet have no hands on, I know your point...

But I am expected to pay 14-15.00 an hour for their students?

http://www.ncstinfo.com/index.jsp?&C...e_trade_school

I have fired 9 people in the last 6 weeks because they have lied on their resume. If you say you can do it, and I provide you with the machines to do it, you better be able to produce.

That being said, since the industrial revolution, unions have had there place. Today? No!, OSHA has stepped in..

I pay scale, and have never had a labor issue other than not being able to do what they said they could do.

You can say anything you want in my shop, but when it comes to putting up, you better be able to do what you say. If not, your screwed.

See my point?

[f5fstop]

UAW plant workers DO NOT Make $50-60 bucks an hour!!!!!!!!!!!
Best is around 25-30. This figure, includes their benefits (insurance, retirement, etc.) and that sounds a bit high to me. Also a big rumor that many made over $150K a year with overtime. Let's try around $90-100.
I agree with some, the company out of ignorance signed the contracts that the union is working under. My opinion of the UAW will be dependent upon their new contracts to be signed this year. Will the UAW use some common sense, or get stubborn and say screw it, and the auto industry falls?

There are a lot of intelligent UAW workers who understand they have to bend, to drop some of their benefits, or lose it all. However, there are some who would rather hit the streets than bend one inch. Again, let's wait and see what happens this Sept.

[startin\' young]

first of all i am a union worker and i only make about 15 an hour, my benifits are all paid for. so not everybody is making 25 an hour. all you have to do is spend one day in a union shop to see that they are necessary to have. (btw i build the duamax motor) the reason why unions are getting weak is because the people now and days will not unite and stick together, u have union brothers ratting on other union brothers. this is the same problem with the usa right now we are split down the middle.

yea i will admit that 50 and hour is high but u have to look at a few things like how long have they been employed, how much training they have, and the company ageed on the wages they are making.

i think that the number one problem in our country is outsoursing of jobs, i don't know about the rest of u but i do not want to work at any fast food joints because if people keep taking jobs overseas that will be the only jobs out there (oh i forgot the number on outsourser wal m**t will be there)

thank you huck for reminding that even though they move to mexico the price of the truck will not drop, it just makes the big wigs pockets get fatter.

"united we stand divided we fall"

[f5fstop]

A few questions (and statements):
1. Where were the UAW and other union workers in the 60s and 70s, when the electronics industry in the USA was hurting due to imports? From my experience, they were lined up purchasing Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic, etc. Do not get me wrong, I am not condemning this action, I was there purchasing the imported products too. However, now that their jobs are at risk, they are screaming. Do not get me wrong, the last thing I want to see is the decline of the auto industry. Not only because I work in it, but also I believe that if GM and Ford go out of business, this country is in big trouble.

The auto companies put a lot more into this country than the transplants. Most of the transplant vehicles contain less USA/Canadian content, and the primary profits go back to Japan or Korea, not into the USA economy.

For those who believe the country would survive without GM and Ford, I agree with you, the country will survive. However, not counting the number of GM/Ford/Chrysler employees who will no longer be working, let us count all the suppliers, truckers, rail, dealers, technicians, etc. Look at the taxes these companies, suppliers, dealers, etc., pay into the economy. The USA will survive, but it will be a large dent in our country.

The country is not only in trouble because of the income lose, but for national defense. If we ever need the industrial capacity to build for another world war, what do we do, outsource to Mexico? If it was not for the big three in WWII, we might all be talking German or Japanese today. Just look at the tanks, planes, and even machine guns that the car companies were able to start manufacturing in months after the war started.

2. Why do union workers always condemn Wal-Mart, yet every union worker I knew in TN, shopped at Wal-Mart? It used to kill me that the UAW news out of Spring Hill had a message at least once a month about stores that were not union friendly, and a good union worker should not shop there. However, when I was there purchasing cleaning, auto, household items, I always spotted union workers and their families. Talk about hypocrisy.

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

A few questions (and statements):
1. Where were the UAW and other union workers in the 60s and 70s, when the electronics industry in the USA was hurting due to imports? From my experience, they were lined up purchasing Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic, etc. Do not get me wrong, I am not condemning this action, I was there purchasing the imported products too. However, now that their jobs are at risk, they are screaming. Do not get me wrong, the last thing I want to see is the decline of the auto industry. Not only because I work in it, but also I believe that if GM and Ford go out of business, this country is in big trouble.

The auto companies put a lot more into this country than the transplants. Most of the transplant vehicles contain less USA/Canadian content, and the primary profits go back to Japan or Korea, not into the USA economy.

For those who believe the country would survive without GM and Ford, I agree with you, the country will survive. However, not counting the number of GM/Ford/Chrysler employees who will no longer be working, let us count all the suppliers, truckers, rail, dealers, technicians, etc. Look at the taxes these companies, suppliers, dealers, etc., pay into the economy. The USA will survive, but it will be a large dent in our country.

The country is not only in trouble because of the income lose, but for national defense. If we ever need the industrial capacity to build for another world war, what do we do, outsource to Mexico? If it was not for the big three in WWII, we might all be talking German or Japanese today. Just look at the tanks, planes, and even machine guns that the car companies were able to start manufacturing in months after the war started.

2. Why do union workers always condemn Wal-Mart, yet every union worker I knew in TN, shopped at Wal-Mart? It used to kill me that the UAW news out of Spring Hill had a message at least once a month about stores that were not union friendly, and a good union worker should not shop there. However, when I was there purchasing cleaning, auto, household items, I always spotted union workers and their families. Talk about hypocrisy.

I completely agree on this stuff guy. I berate my buddies all the time for buying Chinese crap. It actually saves me a bunch of money. I'll see a hat, jacket, or little tool that I want, pick it up, see that "Made in China" and put it right back down. If I can, at all possible, buy "Made in USA" I'll do it. If I don't absolutely need something that's not made in USA, I just do without.

It's the only power we have. I'll support US at every opportunity.