American Axle may close, makes parts for H-3

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

Why is labor so high? Health care is one big item,

Done ranting...

This one item, I've gotta vent on. Our county lets the roads go to hell. They're holding them hostage. It's a great way for them to make people want to pay higher taxes. They're using the money for other social programs and still, the roads are crap.

Same thing on the health care. I've been sick a lot the last few months and have been sitting talking to nurses, office administrators, and even a doctor about it. We're getting fugged face down with this health care thing. People are beetching about not having it and how it's unaffordable and they won't get coverage all the while, they're taking vacations, buying new DVD players, new cars, big screens etc. The very last thing on their mind is paying for their health care coverage.

More and more, with the media and left wing socialist politician's help and constant barrage, people are thinking that health care is a right and that somehow, we should pay for their health care. These people are fugged in the head. Screw 'em. I'm wondering why I, a person that pays thousands and thousands in insurance premiums, have to pay for them too when they themselves haven't anted up for that BEFORE all the other crap they spend money on!

The immigration influx is the other hit on the health care. Going to the doc in California's like sitting at the INS office. It's insane. Three months ago, I was having chest pains. In the er, I was the only white guy. Three people were run in the cath lab to get work. Dr. Rathsanjani says I need an angiogram. I'm thinkin' "nuh uh, my 42 year old cousin died during that proceedure." and elected to wait. My primary doctor and cardiologist later said that nothing's wrong, it ended up being my esophagus and gall bladder. I talked to the head nurse at the hospital the other day at the grocery store he had this to say " Dr. Rat needed you, a paying customer, to pay for the other three before you that had no coverage"

Yeah, I'm pissed. I'm pissed in more ways than I can believe. I gotta listen to this rising cost horsesheot, pay for it, watch jobs go across the border in the BULLSHEOT name of it, and pay my premiums too. And on top of that, the doctor was willing to risk my frickin' life to pay the bills down there! I should meet him out by his Mercedes and kick his phuckin' ass.

HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT, CHECK THE CONSTITUTION FOLKS! And it darned sure isn't something that I should be paying for someone else while the piss their money away on things and stuff they shouldn't be buying and most CERTAINLY shouldn't be spent paying for illegal alien's medical!

Medical cost haven't gone up for crap, only the load of the moochers has gone up like crazy.

[HummBebe]

Huck....you know I like you....but would you please try to stay on topic....K?

[NEOCON1]

Roads , Roads , we dont need no stinkin roads

OT, natural selection is cheaper.

[startin\' young]

i am proud to say the i do not go to wal mart, mater a fact i try to talk people not to go. my friends hate when we go out and they need to pick up somthing little. i make them go to meijer or kroger because i will not go into the number 1 outsourser of jobs. my insurence is payed through my company and i believe that they should pay for it. prople are blaming the unions for the problems but (thanks babe for saying it) the company is not all innocant. plus their has to be ending on both sides (company and union) plus what are the big 3 going to do when nobody can afford to buy their product because the have outsourced all the decent paying jobs.

on the toyota of america i do not care that they are made in america, you will still never see me in a toyota.

[f5fstop]

And I have no problem going to Walmart and will not do business with Meijer. Only items I do purchase from Wally's are items such as car maintenance items, household cleaners, some small appliances, etc. No clothes. The items I do purchase are the same items you would purchase from Meijer. Then again, I don't and will not apologize to anyone for where I go shopping.
There is a lot more to Walmart than that which is pushed by the Union leaders. These are the same leaders who insist politicians like Kerry, Gore, Billary; (gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling).

The reason the union hates Walmart is the fact the have not successfully organized Walmart. As for Meijer, check the labels, do you see made in America? Read closely, their clothing items are the same as Walmart; made in China or somewhere else overseas. Same as Nike, New Balance, etc. The items such as appliances, car maintenance, sporting goods, are the same at Meijer as they are at Walmarts; only difference is, at least in this area, the Walmarts is a bit less expensive, and the people in Walmart SPEAK ENGLISH. Go to the local Meijer and ask for help. You need a UN translator just to ask where the baskets are.

The hypocrisy of the union to state Walmart is the outsourcing leader, when there are others that outsource just as much, just not in as large of a volume. Then again, Walmart is a hell of a lot larger than Meijer. These same union people believe the Meijer worker is paid higher, has better benefits, etc. Per a neighbor who worked part time at Meijer, that is pure BS.

My insurance is paid for via my company and a pretty good size monthly payment from my check. I also have a 500 deductible to meet. To say that a company has to pay for your insurance shows the hard core mentality of many union people. As Huck implied, where in the Constitution is the right to insurance? Hopefully, that will change in the future. I see the companies offering insurance at a cost reduction, but I sure hope the UAW folks start paying their fair share for their insurance in the future, as we do in the salary ranks.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

In my younger days I went through 4 years of apprentice training as a carpenter. Most, not all construction was Union built. (in the Miami area)

As was stated earlier there is no training (in the construction trades) except by unions.

Training costs money, therefore Union jobs were costlier then non-union. I will say the overall quality of an ALL UNION construction job was better

BUT

now days less then 10% of construction in the Miami area is Union. Certain specialized jobs like elevator installation I believe are still done by Union personal but the rest (money talks)

In the earlier days of unions the purpose of safety and protecting the workers and better wages were very important. Now days (and there are exceptions) Union representatives, not the general members are the ones benifitting...

RYD

[HummerHippy]

Originally Posted by NEOCON1

Roads , Roads , we dont need no stinkin roads

Where we're going Marty, we don't need roads.

[Huck BB62]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

Huck....you know I like you....but would you please try to stay on topic....K?

Sorry Bebe's, like I said, I've been pretty danged ill (bad gall bladder, esophogus probs, pneumonia, pinched nerve) and it's a "sore" spot and when I hear about the axle company going south because the cost of employees and a huge part of that being the rising cost of health care, I gotta vent.

Like Neo says, we don't need no stinkin' roads! My neighbors own a Porsche Boxster and cry bloody hell about our road conditions. When they bought the thing, she even said "Why would someone want an SUV when they can have a Porsche for the same money" I guess alluding to our Denali purchase. To a Hummer, or even the Denali, the potholes really don't matter much!!! I imagine to them, even a chunk of gravel has to be dodged. A set of tires for that sucker is $2500!!!! (no spare either)