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[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by 03H3

My original point about departure angle wasn't unique to Moab. Hummers are built with the "angles" in mind. So are the other vehicles that the other manufacturers actually intend to be capable off road. So far every Hummer has class leading "angles". And it could still have class leading angles on the truck, even if the rear departure angle is reduced from the SUV. Class leading means comparing it to the class. A truck is not in the same class as an SUV. Most other P/U's, other than the Dodge powerwagon, do not have decent departure angles. The angles are important off road, climbing is climbing. That's why they consider those angles in the first place. You can't consider all 4X4's "off roaders". If the vehicle overhangs in the front and the rear, and has **** clearance at breakover, then all 4 wheels aint going up that.

I can't tell whats underneath that camouflage anymore than anyone else. With the exception of F5 and Claydog, we are all just speculating.

It does look to me (Bebe's post #4, first picture) like the rear bumper has been moved further back, that might just be subterfuge. If it isn't, or if I'm seeing it wrong, it won't hurt the dpt angle as much as it looks like it will, to me.

GM's engineers know what Hummer is, it's not them I worry about. I think that GM should remain loyal to the original idea.

I like the new JK, but I don't like Jeep Liberty's. They sell a lot of them though.

[RuggedH2]

I understand the classification. Not trying to sound pessimistic either. I do appreciate what you are both trying to say.

My concern here is not even with the new truck in particular. I acknowledged that compromises would have to be made for a "truck" (pickup).

I do like that Hummer has remained loyal to it's original concept. The vehicles moved in the only direction they could, smaller, lighter and less expensive. They also remained capable by design. The H2 SUT is as capable as the H2 SUV.

When I look at Jeep, I appreciate the vehicle that started the heritage, I appreciate how it has evolved. They even had some other vehicles (ie. Cherokee, Wagoneer, etc. etc.) that were also very capable. However, look what they mostly offer now.

Just because people will buy it, doesn't mean they should build it. I know GM is a business, and that business is to sell vehicles that people will pay for. I wanted a Hummer since I drove my first Humvee, the H3 was the first Hummer model I could afford to buy new. I bought an early production and love it.

I just don't want to see Hummer become what Jeep is. Offering everything they think they can sell, with a Jeep badge on it. It cheapens the brand and devalues the credibility of what it means to be a Jeep.

[Alan06SUT]

That truck will still perform very admirably even with a slightly longer rear over hang. A 4" lift would get you the angle right back and get you anywhere. Look at some of the Tacomas out there with similar overhangs. Out of the box, it will not be as good as a SUV h3, but it woluld make a great midsize truck that could really open up new markets for hummer and therefore attract more aftermarket attention.

[Gottmud]

That is ugly & boring. Why in gods name would they do that.

[DRTYFN]

Is there a reason for eleventy threads on this subject?
I think they should all be merged.

[Spuds]

I wish they would take a cue from the Ridgeline:

Two way tailgate.
Large lockable trunk under the bed.

[DRTYFN]

btt for the GM guys.