Hip-Hop is Dead!

[dеiтайожни]

The closest any of you have probably came to listening to rap is your middle aged co-worker's imitation of Rappers Delight.

You're implying that without rap there wouldn't be any gangsters. Just because gangsters and the like are out committing crimes, you seem to be blaming it on rap, only because rap in very few cases talks about it... but so does the news. I'm sure the number of people that put on Cop Killer decide to go out and murder a cop simply because they heard it in a song is zero.

As for the Cribs and banishing the ghetto... have you seen it? There aren't very many multi-million dollar homes in the ghetto, if that's not banishing the ghetto then what is? And lmao @ glamming it up with grills and the talk, that's hard core murderer **** right there. So they should be required to wear suits at all times and not talk like themselves?

Please, somebody go through the youtube list I posted and tell me exactly what's offensive, which parts make you want to go murder somebody or do all this other bad stuff you are referring to. Everyone always says they hate rap, but their only reason is because they don't like the sound of it, they aren't even singing, boo hoo. Yet they are so defensive about it they make up all this other nonsense to blame it for. There were gangsters and crime before rap you know..

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

The closest any of you have probably came to listening to rap is your middle aged co-worker's imitation of Rappers Delight. I grew up with Gin n Juice, B.B., Ice Cube, Dre., Puffy, B.I.G etc.

You're implying that without rap there wouldn't be any gangsters. No, but that lifestyle is marketed by them. Just because gangsters and the like are out committing crimes, you seem to be blaming it on rap, only because rap in very few cases talks about it... but so does the news. I rarely see young kids dressing like Koppel and Jennings. The news doesn't glamourize it. I'm sure the number of people that put on Cop Killer decide to go out and murder a cop simply because they heard it in a song is zero. Are you positively sure about that though?

As for the Cribs and banishing the ghetto... have you seen it? There aren't very many multi-million dollar homes in the ghetto, if that's not banishing the ghetto then what is? No, but I have heard of several rap "artists" that refuse to leave their old "ghetto" neighborhoods because they would be selling out. I can look it up for you if you want. I guess you can tak ethe rapper out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the rapper? Did Gwen Paltrow go out and by six cars after her first movie or was it Patrick Dempsey? () Frivolity my friend.And lmao @ glamming it up with grills and the talk, that's hard core murderer **** right there. Most of them probably aren't, so why rap about it and act like it? So they should be required to wear suits at all times and not talk like themselves? P. Diddy wears suits. English would suffice, especially when you are a role model.

Please, somebody go through the youtube list I posted and tell me exactly what's offensive, which parts make you want to go murder somebody or do all this other bad stuff you are referring to. It's not me I'm worried about, it's the easily impressionable. Everyone always says they hate rap, but their only reason is because they don't like the sound of it, My and many others reason isn't the sound, it's the culture and words they chant over and over to the said impressionable. The lifestyle that is encompassed as glamorous. they aren't even singing, boo hoo. Yet they are so defensive about it they make up all this other nonsense to blame it for. There were gangsters and crime before rap you know..

There is no doubt among many that the "hip hop/rap" culture is detrimental many upon many have discussed it at length and deemed so many times before.

[h2co-pilot]

From crap like that we get this:

[The ArchiTexan]

Oh, come on, fellow citizens! We have all heard rap, the REAL rap, can?t escape it. Every loud obnoxious car sitting next to us at the stop light blaring the filthy lyrics so that even with our windows rolled up we can still hear the morally-base intent. It won the Academy Award for cryin? out loud. And, most of us have heard Tupac, and everyone singing his praises.

The problem isn?t that crime and gangster ways were around before. The problem is in glorifying it and making it a legitimate ?art form.? And, bringing the ghetto to million dollar neighborhoods is just lowering the quality of the hood. Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to conform to the values of the rich. Snobbery means keeping the lowlifes out, not letting them in, with their diamond teeth and their gaudy d?cor. So, yes they should be required to wear suits and not be themselves. Prejudice ignites when the differences of people are so glaring that it makes you run. The problem of individualism, in this nation in particular, is that it emphasizes the separation of class and standards. If someone has worked hard all their life to acquire a fortune, conformed to the standard, and made the choice to live a ?quality? life, then why should they have to live next to trash? Just because they have money? Used to be, the trash lived on the other side of town, and if and when those individuals educated themselves and progress far enough up the ladder they were welcomed and accepted as part of the upperwardly mobile. Now, all you need is money to live in those mansions, and some of the gawd awful people who have money now should be shot! There, that is one aspect of rap that makes people want to run out and murder others.

I have gone through your list and what I find offensive is the lack of respect for women, treating them as object simply for sex (there is never an intelligent looking woman relating to any of the men, she is just there for their pleasure), the sloppiness of their ?costumes,? which reinforce the laziness and slovenliness of the poor enabling them to think they can get by dressed like that and be accepted by the mainstream or even bypass it, and the stereotypical antics and gestures of the black performers which reinforce the images in bigoted and prejudice individual?s minds who now get to say, ?See! See how they jump around and act!? These antics have filtered down into the White, Asian, Latino and young Black youth?s everyday behavior. A guy just casually walking down the street nowadays is swaying and jerking so much that he looks like an idiot! You can spot the influence in any young person who has succumbed. It is NOT a positive influence.

[dеiтайожни]

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them... how dare they.

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them... how dare they.

I agree, sounds like the hysteria with Elvis, Beetles, mary jane, etc. Nothing wrong with money, we in Silicon Valley like to take it to the max when it comes to money.

Face it, the Hummer brand is equal parts pop culture and offroad ability. Nothing like it. Ooops, that's too on-topic.

[The ArchiTexan]

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young back man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest.

Here's what your missing: A certain 12% racial segment of our population commits 57% of the murders in this country annually. Why? More than 50% of the inner-city black kids in this country have no father. That's why such a large percentage of black people are poor and without hope IMO. I've seen studies where blacks who grow up in a traditional family make as much as comparable whites (I'd be able to be a Professor at Yale if I was black). Without fathers, these inner city kids are crying out for male role models. Yet the inner city is dominated by the gansta culture, which is facilitated by gansta rap. Deit may not be affected by it. But the tens of thousands of fatherless black boys in Detroit will be.

Whitlock said a lot of this very well, and he's a black guy from the inner city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4&mode=related&search=

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

Here's what your missing: A certain 12% racial segment of our population commits 57% of the murders in this country annually. Why? More than 50% of the inner-city black kids in this country have no father. That's why such a large percentage of black people are poor and without hope IMO. I've seen studies where blacks who grow up in a traditional family make as much as comparable whites (I'd be able to be a Professor at Yale if I was black). Without fathers, these inner city kids are crying out for male role models. Yet the inner city is dominated by the gansta culture, which is facilitated by gansta rap. Deit may not be affected by it. But the tens of thousands of fatherless black boys in Detroit will be.

Whitlock said a lot of this very well, and he's a black guy from the inner city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQX...elated&search=

Yea, It's all those black bastards. LOL

I couldn't help myself.

Again, MH summed it up well. Well explained.