Hip-Hop is Dead!

[dеiтайожни]

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them... how dare they.

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them... how dare they.

I agree, sounds like the hysteria with Elvis, Beetles, mary jane, etc. Nothing wrong with money, we in Silicon Valley like to take it to the max when it comes to money.

Face it, the Hummer brand is equal parts pop culture and offroad ability. Nothing like it. Ooops, that's too on-topic.

[The ArchiTexan]

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young back man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace (You want to see a pic of Teddy Riley's house? He lives down the road, Ill snap one. Unkempt and sh1tty.) but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them...(see your violent tendancies?) how dare they.

I don't know you Dei or your friends, but if your balsting that crap I would laugh at you too. And why do you think you are so much younger than some of us? Rap was born before I was.

But I can't see how you can deny what this culture is doing to urban American youth. And yes, I believe it is from the music.

If not from rap- where did the culture come from? How did it come to suburbia?

Sure, some rap artists are positive but at least 75% are not.

It presents the notion that the only way to get out of their situation or to have wealth is by illegal activity. Illegal activity that is not only detrimental to the individual but perpetuates throughout the community. It also perpetuates a psychology of victimization- that is not conducive to socio-economic progress.

(BTW- I checked out your videos. Tell me where guys that look land act like that could work/would be employed to afford those vehicles and stuff!! I'll tell you- no where.

Where are the kids that dress like and act like that going to work- maybe fast food, maybe- hence the detriment and downfall of an already struggling community.

(Not to mention that that legit McDonalds paycheck may go to a set of rims for that dinged up '89 Ford Taurus or $200 tennis shoes rather than to something worthy. This is where the overly tacky show of money-which most of the time ends up in bankruptcy- comes into play.) )


The poor treatment of women mantra'd over and over for example: How is a young black woman going to flourish and respect herself if the neighborhood boys call her a ho and she hears it consistantly on the radio? She has to rely on her mother to tell her she is worthy- and it goes on. I hope you are not blind to this problem as well.

Yes, I think I wore leggings under a skirt a la Madonna in the 4th grade.

However, if people that were shooting guns, dealing drugs etc.(or perceived in that way) were wearing leggings under skirts; I'm sure my mother wouldn't have allowed me to wear it and be discriminated as such- especially if discrimination was a problem to begin with, but how can you blame those that discriminate- that goes on as well.

Adults have always been prude to the next generations music but this has lasted for decades and the gangsta crap for at least 12 or more years and the violence and discrimination glory it justifies continues to get worse- as long as people support it.

The decline in sales hopefully means that this too- will pass.

I believe in artistic expression, free speech and all that. But I don't support things I don't believe in. And in this case- until they are 18, my children don't have the right to "free listen".

P.S.- You are defending the boys wearing make-up (like "Poison"), too much hairspray and the flourescent green leggings right now.

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young back man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

I'm part of the solution, we are pioneers here in Silicon Valley, creators of technology, wealth, hope in a international business environment. Here in this valley is the largest collection of highly educated and intelligent people in the world. Sheez, you should know better.

So I like Luda, Fergie, Chamillionaire music occassionally,wtf.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Long live Gary Coleman

[KenP]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

Long live Gary Coleman

Didn't see this coming, did ya?

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

I'm part of the solution, we are pioneers here in Silicon Valley, creators of technology, wealth, hope in a international business environment. Here in this valley is the largest collection of highly educated and intelligent people in the world. Sheez, you should know better.

So I like Luda, Fergie, Chamillionaire music occassionally,wtf.

You're the exception then, just like me. Everyone is the exception except for the the small group of people who are statistically prone to committing crimes regardless. Whether they like rap or are just stereotyped as liking it.

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

You're the exception then, just like me. Everyone is the exception except for the the small group of people who are statistically prone to committing crimes regardless. Whether they like rap or are just stereotyped as liking it.

Agreed.

[The ArchiTexan]

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young black man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

OOPS! That was supposed to be "BLING DANCE!" My BAD!

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest.

Here's what your missing: A certain 12% racial segment of our population commits 57% of the murders in this country annually. Why? More than 50% of the inner-city black kids in this country have no father. That's why such a large percentage of black people are poor and without hope IMO. I've seen studies where blacks who grow up in a traditional family make as much as comparable whites (I'd be able to be a Professor at Yale if I was black). Without fathers, these inner city kids are crying out for male role models. Yet the inner city is dominated by the gansta culture, which is facilitated by gansta rap. Deit may not be affected by it. But the tens of thousands of fatherless black boys in Detroit will be.

Whitlock said a lot of this very well, and he's a black guy from the inner city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4&mode=related&search=

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

Here's what your missing: A certain 12% racial segment of our population commits 57% of the murders in this country annually. Why? More than 50% of the inner-city black kids in this country have no father. That's why such a large percentage of black people are poor and without hope IMO. I've seen studies where blacks who grow up in a traditional family make as much as comparable whites (I'd be able to be a Professor at Yale if I was black). Without fathers, these inner city kids are crying out for male role models. Yet the inner city is dominated by the gansta culture, which is facilitated by gansta rap. Deit may not be affected by it. But the tens of thousands of fatherless black boys in Detroit will be.

Whitlock said a lot of this very well, and he's a black guy from the inner city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQX...elated&search=

Yea, It's all those black bastards. LOL

I couldn't help myself.

Again, MH summed it up well. Well explained.

[dеiтайожни]

Bet you weren't expecting this... but I still don't agree.

Ok, lots of fatherless black kids. They look for role models in gangs. How are these gangs facilitated by rap again? Are you implying that if rap goes away, so do all the gangs? You guys don't listen to rap, so I can't blame you for not knowing anything about it. Luckily you know someone who does and I'll tell you about 97% of rap is simply about luxuries like vehicles, houses, clothes, etc. It's called escapism for those with no means and little hope.

You guys know which rap songs? Cop Killer? and the 3 other the media has put it's spotlight on in the past 12 years?

It's my opinion that you are giving rap too much credit for the downfall of society. You believe rap influences gangs when it's the other way around. Rappers are artists, entertainers and businessmen, they have a target audience. Which means the gang came before the gangsta rap.

You all must be in some fantasy world if banning rap = every black kid without a father will suddenly be good, goto school and become a doctor. Besides fads with material objects, little would change if we had no rap. But if you feel qualified in knowing rap enough to continue the debate, please. I've had this conversation about 200 times, it usually ends with the protester says rap is crap, period, end. Followed by a parody of what an old white guy would look like doing an over exaggerated demonstration of a rap.

CP -- I never mentioned age. I only made references (which you got) that any 25 year old would know first-hand. Oh, and let's see that Madonna look!

[ssgharkness020147]

Wow. Lots of passion on this topic people. FWIW. I hate the culture. Lets take going to the bars... There is one bar in my area that I (grudegingly) go to once and a while. Its supposed to be a "club", but its just in the basement of a crappy building. All you hear is that rap **** in there, problem number on for me.

Then there are the people, oh the ****ing people in that **** hole. Every white kid in there with his hat cocked sideways trying to look "tuff", the ones that walk by me and bump in to me as I am standing still. When I look down at eminems long lost 5'5 155lb brother, he says "what the **** is your problem"? Well... Lets see shady... I'm just standing here minding my own ****ing business when your little punk ass comes walking in to me, then you have the nerve to make it out to be my fault in the most disrespectful way possible. THATS my "****ing problem". Learn some ****ing respect you little ****. I rarely have problems with people, if I bump in to you I'll apologize to you for it, and I expect the same in return. Then of course you get the inner city trash that comes in there too. Nope. I'm not even gonna start up on that subject. **** that place. **** those people. **** rap.

[The Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by ssgharkness020147

Wow. Lots of passion on this topic people. .

X2!!

[usetosellhummer]

Hip Hop is gonna live (Rap is dead)

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

CP -- I never mentioned age. I only made references (which you got) that any 25 year old would know first-hand. Oh, and let's see that Madonna look!

Well, put on your grill and come over here.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Can those of you that like or favor rap explain its positive points. Don't do it in SOAPBOX fashion just use plane old english.

[KenP]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

use plane old english.

It's PLAIN.

Here's my .02, but I want change.

A rapper has a hit and makes tons of money. Now the rapper is no longer part of the victimized population he's been rapping about and supposedly from, he's part of the priviledged class. In order to retain his acceptance in the "crowd", he debases himself by becoming mysoginistic and violent in his lyrics continuing a downward spiral originated by his predecessors.

The more money the rapper makes, the more outlandish he must become. Soon he's a gun toting, drug using, woman abusing thug wannabe. Guns become part of this subculture, as are faceless and emotionless barely clad women, constantly gyrating, inviting men to use and abuse them.

What's sad, is the number of black leaders who don't condemn this behavior because it puts black faces on TV and their voices on the radio. Nevermind the consequences of their followers faces in mug shots.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Well, put on your grill and come over here.