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05-12-2007, 02:32 AM
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Re: Hybrids Can KILL Emergency Responders!!!
little known fact : the EV1 had a very high rate of spontaneous self combustion  . there was a lot full of burned up ones at Power-Train in socal , hundreds of em 
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05-12-2007, 02:44 AM
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Re: Hybrids Can KILL Emergency Responders!!!
And that means ...*gasp* MORE GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!
*knee-jerk reaction* Ban the hybrids!!!
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05-12-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re-Freaking POST!!!!
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05-12-2007, 03:25 PM
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Re: Hybrids Can KILL Emergency Responders!!!
hybrids kill! Hummers Save lives 
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05-12-2007, 03:29 PM
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Re: Hybrids Can KILL Emergency Responders!!!
way to go HUMMER...
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05-12-2007, 06:10 PM
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05-12-2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: Hybrids Can KILL Emergency Responders!!!
smoking
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05-12-2007, 07:55 PM
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Tonight!!!!
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05-12-2007, 05:45 PM
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little known fact : the EV1 had a very high rate of spontaneous self combustion  . there was a lot full of burned up ones at Power-Train in socal , hundreds of em 
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was part of the EV1 project (remember, they were considered Saturn marketed vehicles). We had tons of problems with the Delphi battery packs, but there was NO high rate of spontaneous self-combustion. There was the recall of the original 650 1997 EV1s that had the main battery cable/controller replaced due to a fire hazard, but there were only a few that actually caught fire before the recall. In fact, the vehicle had quite a good safety record. Possibly, what you saw were the recalled vehicles waiting for repairs.
Hundreds? There were only 650 1997 EV1s manufactured, no 1998 vehicles, and only about 450 1999; all manufactured in Lansing MI at the GM craft center. All EV1s were sold in AZ and CA, at only selected Saturn Retailers. At the end of their lease, they were destroyed at the GM Desert Proving Grounds in AZ. That is except for 100 that were shipped to NY and used by GM company employees during the summer months. These were finally destroyed in either 2005 or 2006.
The only remaining EV1; other than those that cannot run and were donated to schools, are located in the GM proving grounds in Milford, MI and some at the GM advanced vehicle center in Troy MI. (There might be one of two left in the Dessrt Proving grounds too.)
Just last week, I passed a green one that runs around the Troy, Madison Heights, Warren, MI area.
As for the original posting, it is true, some of the newer hybrids can be dangerous to work on by anyone. The BAS models that GM is marketing on the VUE, AURA, are only 36 volt hybrid systems with a 12-volt accessory system. These could possibly cause a death, but likely only a really bad jolt. However, the new 300-volt 900 series SUVs and Trucks coming in a few months, can kill someone. GM has trainers that travel the country training first reponders on how to safely work on these vehicles in emergency situations.
For the old EV1 the training was easier to perform since the marketing area of the vehicles was very limited. However, with the newer hybrids from all the manufacturers, the training is a nightmare. The first responder has to know all the different types of "jesus switches." (Don't pull one and put your had in the wrong place...say hello to Jesus.)
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05-12-2007, 06:03 PM
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hey 5 no pictures but at power-train the old camaro plant in the san fernando valley just south of roscoe and sepulveda that is now storage for all the rydell dealerships and enterprise fleet among other gm storage . there is one section about 2 acres where there are alot of burned up carcuses , some are crashed but most looked to have fire damage . i was surprised when i first saw so many . my hometown of thousand oaks has had them in their city fleet and i had never heard of a problem with them . a member of the gm security said that is what happened to them . at the time it made since , especially after they stoped making them .
my info could be totally wrong  it wouldant be the first time  maybe it was the battery problem 
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05-12-2007, 06:05 PM
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this was in 2003-2004 .
could these of been one that gm had destroyed intentionaly ????
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05-12-2007, 07:26 PM
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this was in 2003-2004 .
could these of been one that gm had destroyed intentionaly ????
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That could have been the holding area for the vehicles that were to be crushed. I should rephrase my previous post. I do not believe they were actually crushed in GM's DPG, they were stripped of batteries, motors, etc., at DPG, but they may have been shipped somewhere else to be crushed.
We had a crusher in TN, but when we destroyed our two EV1s we had on site, we had to remove all 27 batteries (26 drive and one accessory) to be recycled, drill hole in all electrical components including the motor, controller, charge port (aka toaster), drain all fluids (coolant, oils, fluid, etc.) take photos of all the damage we did, then have a manager to witness the actual crushing of the vehicles.
Our other EV1 was shipped back to Troy MI, and from what I understand is still being driven by company personel.
The vehicles shipped to NY were destroyed the same as we did in TN. I forget their actual destruction date, but I do remember it was after I moved back to Hell (I mean MI  ). They had to work with me to authorize the time we were to pay the few selected NY technicians who would be paid to strip the batteries, drain fluids, etc., before crushing.
Personally, the vehicle was a pain in the arse to work on, but fun to drive. Quite fast off the line, but really not good for any trips over 100 miles. After 100 miles you started getting worried about will you make it to where you are going. 
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