New GM Diesel

[Uintah]

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip

Uintah

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Uintah

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip

Uintah

WHY IS IT ALL THE FAWKING N00BS COME HERE AND **** WITH F5????

GTFO.....if you even know what that means.

[HummBebe]

[Uintah]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

GTFO.....if you even know what that means.

I guess it means gas, tires, food, and oil. I am with you, let's go four wheeling

Uintah
Moab Edition

[stagger_lee]

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Uintah

I guess it means gas, tires, food, and oil. I am with you, let's go four wheeling

Uintah
Moab Edition

Keep it up, a$$hole.....it means git the fawk out.

Next time you 'share" with us, try searching first....this has been disscussed to death already.

Seems as though you're the one with the ego trip, can't say you're sorry when you've been

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by Uintah

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip

Uintah

People who have been on this forum for a while look to f5fstop for the answers, because he almost always has them and is almost always correct. You, on the other hand, are just a tempermental noob with nothing to offer except for the mildly-entertaining prospect that shortly you will be mercilessly abused if you stay on here and continue to act that way.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by Uintah

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip

Uintah

My first post was a nice way of saying....use the search key. (Someone else would have eventually stated the same thing.) My second post was in answer to your second post where it appeared you had problems understanding English. Was it long-winded, probably, I was waiting for my laundry to get done so I could head out to the range.
So, want to start all over again?
Hi, welcome to Elcova.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

I still think an H3 with the diesel would sell like crazy. Particularly in the truck. I think GM's over-analyzing consumer affairs department is underestimating the popularity of such a feature. And my contention as for why more diesel SUV's aren't sold is that they're aren't any that people want to buy. I think the H3 (or any of the nicer SUV's) with a diesel would be a hit. Dealer's have to be FORCED to order them as well, and then the would sell.

TDI VW's at auction are bringing, and have been bringing astronomical values. Particularly the V10 TDI Toureg.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by BlueHUMMERH2

I still think an H3 with the diesel would sell like crazy. Particularly in the truck. I think GM's over-analyzing consumer affairs department is underestimating the popularity of such a feature. And my contention as for why more diesel SUV's aren't sold is that they're aren't any that people want to buy. I think the H3 (or any of the nicer SUV's) with a diesel would be a hit. Dealer's have to be FORCED to order them as well, and then the would sell.

TDI VW's at auction are bringing, and have been bringing astronomical values. Particularly the V10 TDI Toureg.

Why? Most H3s, as well as H2s are sold to as vehicles that the only off-roading they will see is running over a parking block in the Kroger parking lot. For that, a diesel is not required. For those who will tow a large boat, a diesel would be nice, but what is that number when talking H3s.
I believe, right now, GM's marketing research is right on about the diesel. Heck on this board alone there are only 6-12 who would like a H3 diesel.

Will GM's marketing research come up with a different survey next year? They could, all depends on how the US consumer minds change in regard to the diesel engine. Right now, diesels are not a popular item in the USA; unless the person pulls a large trailer, or uses it for work.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by BlueHUMMERH2

I don't think it matters that they aren't used off-road. Besides, the point I'm making is that if the vehicles were there, that market would probably appear and expand. I think getting folks in, driving the diesel next to the gas, maybe 15%-20% would pick the diesel. Why? For towing, mileage improvement, power, biodiesel, brawn. But the dealers have to do their part to and order the vehicles, or they won't get sold. I'd go into the H1 issue on that, but that's still very contentious.

If GM wants to do a great market research project, they should bring in some of the diesels from HUMMER worldwide, mod the emissions, slap them into LHD, and put one at every or select dealers, not for sale, but demo. Then see how many orders come in. If they make the break-even, then they should consider the green light. I realize it's not that easy however.

And of course they've got the aftermarket mod, but for the price, I don't think people even consider it (I wouldn't). But a diesel is a great engine, though you've got to drive it first, in a vehicle you like, and then I think it's a no-brainer. That's why I think they should put demos out there, because that first drive destroys any preconceptions that someone has about a diesel.

I don't mean to argue with you FStop. I just can't understand GM's stumbling block. I don't think the argument is there.

Nothing to argue about Aubs. It's a marketing decision, engineering can run an H3 with a diesel; whether or not it could be sold in all 50 states or just 45 is another matter.
Let's see in a few years and see how they sell in H2s!

[usetosellhummer]

Totally right f5. It's about moving metal and the marketing folks spend millions on their guess. People talk D all the time but don't buy them in mass. Guess why your radio station never takes requests and plays the same 500 songs over and over. Same answer, numbers.

Wow, maybe a diesel that doesn't stink and rattle.

[-=Mac=-]

3.0 lt turbo-diesel (from Isuzu) is the base engine for the UK version of the H3.

-Mac

[-=Mac=-]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

Interesting, but don't expect it here in the US.

I know...

-Mac

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I found some specs on that 3.0L diesel on wikipedia here. According to their info, it makes 168 HP @ 4000 rpm and 258 ft-lbs @ 1800 rpm.

You know, I thought I would love a diesel in the H3, but if this is the choice, my interest is kind of fading. The 3.7L I5 already makes 220 lb-ft @ 2200 rpm, and a little more pedal gives me 20 more at 5600.

With Adventure package gearing, the I5's torque curve isn't a limitation offroad. So if I have to trade most of my HP and high end torque to gain 40 ft-lbs of torque at the bottom end, it's probably not worth it. Maybe if it was just my weekend wheeling toy, but not as a daily driver.