Warranty dont cover T-Bar Crank

[stagger_lee]

Its a slippery slope, but I think I would respect f5's response. I think his original response was very open and right on. If your cranking Tbars caused the problem, its your problem. Mechanical failure otherwise is GMs problem. I find it hard to argue with that. As we say with doctors, get a second opinion.

[algy]

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Its a slippery slope, but I think I would respect f5's response.

I respect any valid response, especially from F5; it won't stop me from a friendly debate though.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Aflax, find out how much out of spec you were on the t-bar crank. I doubt it's close, but you might still have a case. But with 35" tires, it probably doesn't matter. That's way out of spec.

[HummBebe]

What way out of spec??? 35's only make a difference from the ground to the front skidplate....does not change any angles that I am aware of.

Does it?

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

What way out of spec??? 35's only make a difference from the ground to the front skidplate....does not change any angles that I am aware of.

Does it?

You're right, the extra height isn't much by itself. But I'm also thinking of tire weight and width.

The extra weight puts more stress on CVs and tie rods that are already angled out of spec. Between that, the t-bar preload, the new travel range and separation from the bump stop, the shocks are going to take a beating, which further stresses the front end. Tire weight also affects braking force and distance, and can cause heat buildup and glazing in the pads.

Steering components like tie rods and power steering pump will also suffer from the extra force required to overcome the larger contact patch. Then you take it on a trail and multiply all of the above by the stress of inertia and articulation.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

You're right, the extra height isn't much by itself. But I'm also thinking of tire weight and width.

The extra weight puts more stress on CVs and tie rods that are already angled out of spec. Between that, the t-bar preload, the new travel range and separation from the bump stop, the shocks are going to take a beating, which further stresses the front end. Tire weight also affects braking force and distance, and can cause heat buildup and glazing in the pads.

Steering components like tie rods and power steering pump will also suffer from the extra force required to overcome the larger contact patch. Then you take it on a trail and multiply all of the above by the stress of inertia and articulation.

I guess the operative word here is "can". But in my case and Sewies, it hasn't so far.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Yep, "can" is the word ... it's not like I've done the math on it or anything, but I can see a dealer nixing some warranty items because of it.

Don't get me wrong tho ... I'd LOVE a set of 35's! With the right setup, like Cognito or Fox shocks and limiter straps, a lot of that stress is absorbed at the shock and won't damage the next part in line.

[dbphotos]

Hummer encourages everyone to run their vehicles off-road and put them in places that damage can happen, so much that they send mechanics and parts to all Hummer events. I agree that if you "mod" your Hummer you could stand to void your warranty on the specific parts you "modded" , but adjustinging a t-bar is certainly not a "mod", but a simple adjustment.

I would talk to the Service Manager and explain your concerns and if that doesn't rectify the situation then tell him/her that you will be opening a ticket with Hummer and then actually do it. My guess is that they will ultimately cover the issue.

Let us know how it turns out.

[stagger_lee]

Originally Posted by algy

I respect any valid response, especially from F5; it won't stop me from a friendly debate though.