Hurrah!

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

Originally Posted by zoe

How's that? Hummer require more steel and materials for construction and it uses at least three times as much gas and emits at least three times as much co2. If you're citing the Dust to Dust article, that's now being refuted by peer reviewed studies. The results for this article used arbitrary life terms for both the Hummer (almost 300,000 lifetime miles) and the Prius (just over 100,000 life time miles) vehicles and other methods of analysis are now being called into question. A subsequent peer reviewed re-analysis has cited that the life cycle energy requirements for the Prius hybrid (as well as any small car) are far lower than that of Hummers and SUV's.

Wowza. I'm gone two days and this is what happens?

Oh, dear. Well first zoe, way to be a hippie. -One who has obviously tired of the Prius forum. I think its great that you are so avidly protecting our earth, and saving all us Hummer enthusiasts from ourselves! I mean, if you wouldn't do it, who would, right? By the way, I had no idea about what the 'Dust to Dust' paper was. (But thanks for bringing it up and fueling the fire!) I was actually referring to the H2 being more 'green' than your precious Prius. There are multiple articles online, as well as multiple topics in this forum with the evidence supporting my view. I don't really like arguing with someone in posts, and I know you're trying to come across as a really intelligent person. -But zoe, honestly, if you come to a HUMMER FORUM trying to badmouth HUMMERS and promote a small gas/electric vehicle made by a Japanese auto company, that's just dumb.

By the way, welcome to the forum!

[KenP]

That huge zinc mine in Canada where Toyota gets their material for the batteries sure is a nice thing for the environment. Those batteries sure are easy to dispose of, too.

Humm, come to think of it, Toyota's plastic sure is good for the landfills too.

I wonder how long all that garbage sits before decomposing since it can't be recycled.

Just curious Zoe, how much energy was used developing the new technology for the batteries and plastics in the Prius? Heck, how much energy is used making those products so they can sit in landfills for decades to come?

I was also curious what it costs to ship those exotic materials back and forth across the globe to build the Prius.

Virtually the entire H2 can be recycled.

Oh yeah, what's the usable life expantancy of the Prius? I don't mean how long it's plastics will be in the landfills, but what's the true life expectancy? Isn't it half the H2's?

Wow.

I think I'd rather get the gas Honda Civic that's better for the environment.

I guess the Prius is like that enviro concert going on right now around the world. It doesn't mater what it costs the environment to put the show on, as long as they appear to be doing some good it's ok.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by KenP

That huge zinc mine in Canada where Toyota gets their material for the batteries sure is a nice thing for the environment. Those batteries sure are easy to dispose of, too.

I'm assuming you're speaking of the Nickel plant (not zinc). This plant has been around for 100 years. Toyota purchases anywhere from 1% to 6%of the materials sourced from this plant. Hummers are not exempt for the impacts of this plant as Nickel is required for the manufacture of stainless steel. Hummers required more steel and have been around a lot longer so anyone who purchases these goods made from stainless steel have to own some of this responsibility as well.

Someone mentioned the disposal of the batteries in the Prius and these are recycled. Toyota offers a premium for compliance of this.

I joined this site to have a conversation about a misconception of the Hummer. It seems you guys just don't want to take accountability for your actions and confront the impacts of your purchases so you immediately ban me (still trying to figure out for what as I've conducted myself in a very reasonable manner). I'm sure the information contained in my first paragraph will get me banned again. So, carry on and promote your disinformation campaign in an effort to ease your conscience.

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

HOLY GOD!!! Stop now hippie! STOP NOW!! Take your politely-smug-typing-skills to the Prius forum where you belong!

BEGONE DEMON! BEGONE!

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

Ok, I feel better now. -But seriously zoe, what is your beef? (Or should I say "What is your tofu?") We love Hummers, you love hybrids. Lets all get along, and not pollute each others forums.

BTW: You were apparantly banned for using a forged IP address.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by Hummer Aficionado_VT

Ok, I feel better now. -But seriously zoe, what is your beef? (Or should I say "What is your tofu?") We love Hummers, you love hybrids. Lets all get along, and not pollute each others forums.

BTW: You were apparantly banned for using a forged IP address.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by zoe1

I'm assuming you're speaking of the Nickel plant (not zinc). This plant has been around for 100 years. Toyota purchases anywhere from 1% to 6%of the materials sourced from this plant. Hummers are not exempt for the impacts of this plant as Nickel is required for the manufacture of stainless steel. Hummers required more steel and have been around a lot longer so anyone who purchases these goods made from stainless steel have to own some of this responsibility as well.

Someone mentioned the disposal of the batteries in the Prius and these are recycled. Toyota offers a premium for compliance of this.

I joined this site to have a conversation about a misconception of the Hummer. It seems you guys just don't want to take accountability for your actions and confront the impacts of your purchases so you immediately ban me (still trying to figure out for what as I've conducted myself in a very reasonable manner). I'm sure the information contained in my first paragraph will get me banned again. So, carry on and promote your disinformation campaign in an effort to ease your conscience.

where is gooey gaybob when you need him !!!

LOOK... GIVE US your references, not he said / she said ...
you are the one coming to us saying this and that, you are challanging us but cannot reference sources that can be verified...

When I argue before those 9 men and women in Washington, a case, I just can't go in and say " bull chit" and "just believe me"
They would put me into the slammer with some of my clients...

My GOD man if you have had some High School Debate or English and/or college science/math you have to defend your words with proof

Now if you never took High School English or Debate or college science courses at least bull **** better then what you have shown here...My CAT, Gaylord Focker could present a better arguement then you have shown...

RYD

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

where is gooey gaybob when you need him !!!


RYD

What is he, your hero?

[jmsspratlin]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

What is he, your hero?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

What is he, your hero?

NO STEVIE,

you are sweetie!!!

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

What does that make me? Chopped liver?

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by KenP

I guess the Prius is like that enviro concert going on right now around the world. It doesn't mater what it costs the environment to put the show on, as long as they appear to be doing some good it's ok.

I thought this was pretty funny: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...DA5NjliMmQyMDI=

[Agriv8r]

i bought three acres for under a hundred bucks...just gotta talk the wife into moving now..

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

I thought this was pretty funny: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...DA5NjliMmQyMDI=

The Prius isn't the answer to any of our environmental concerns, but at least it provides technology that may move us in the right direction - which is away from oil. If I were to support technology of choice, it would be the electric car.

Regarding Live Earth, I knew there would be arguments on this side of the coin. Trouble is, it takes massive amounts of energy to broadcast a message on such a grand scale. The hope is that this message will not fall on deaf ears and maybe it'll persuade our youth to engage their choices in a more responsible manner. Well, hopefully anyways.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by zoe1

Regarding Live Earth, I knew there would be arguments on this side of the coin. Trouble is, ....

Objection. Nonresponsive. I said I thought it was funny.

For example:

Originally Posted by Mark Hemingway

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3:10: After her performance, KT Tunstall tells Dave Holmes and Karen Duffy that there?s a forest of 6,000 trees in her native Scotland that is offsetting her carbon emissions. Wait? What? What is it with these offsetting schemes? According to this website, ?KT Tunstall has supported enough forestry to ?neutralise? the CO2 emissions that were given off as a result of producing her new album ?Eye to the Telescope.?? It doesn?t say if these trees were newly planted or anything that might actually offset her carbon emissions ? never mind that planting 6,000 new trees for every energy-intensive occupation isn?t exactly a practical plan for addressing the problem. It does say on that website, however, if you send in ten dollars you get a certificate saying you have a tree in Tunstall?s forest dedicated to you personally. Looks like a pretty bad deal, especially considering I can buy an acre of land on the moon for $30.
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4:13: Czech supermodel Petra Nemcova, famous chiefly for her Sports Illustrated cover and being caught at a Thai resort during the 2004 tsunami which killed her fianc?, takes the stage in London to explain that she wasn?t angry at nature, but that she saw the tsunami as nature?s cry for help. She wonders whether we will answer ?the call of the nature.? So now we?re blaming earthquakes on global warming?
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4:58: The scantily clad Pussycat Dolls bump and grind their no-talent-but-well-proportioned derrieres through something approximating a song in such a way that I wonder where the poles are. I believe the chorus is ?Loosen up my butt-ons, babe.? Wasn?t this exactly the kind of thing that Tipper Gore used to rail against with the Parents? Music Resource Center?
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5:38: Rapper T-Pain performs his hit single, ?I?m N Luv (Wit A Stripper).? Again was Tipper Gore completely MIA when they booked this thing? As if to underscore the age inappropriateness of the whole thing, they go straight from T-Pain to an interview with eleven-year-old actress Abigail Breslin.
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5:47: Linkin Park performs from Japan. It?s no mean feat that the rap/rock group is one of the biggest bands on the planet, considering that they are bar none the whiniest. One music press writer recently compared the band?s lead singer Chester Bennington to an ?an apoplectic five-year-old wailing for a juicebox.? Chester Bennington is also notable for revealing in recent Blender magazine interview that a few years ago when he hit it off with a Playboy model he met at a party, he drove home and broke up with his wife and the mother of his child that evening. Classy. Considering Al Gore recently told the Washington Post global warming ?is not a political issue; it?s a moral issue,? I really can?t think of a better bunch of spokesmen for morality than rock musicians.
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6:26: Al Gore?s personal troubadour, Melissa Etheridge, takes the stage. Etheridge wrote the turgid theme song for An Inconvenient Truth, and today is premiering two new songs. The first, ?Imagine That,? near as I can tell, is written from the perspective of Cindy Sheehan. Etheridge is the only musician I?ve seen today that seems really revved up about the cause. Unfortunately, for her there?s really just no way for her to sing lyrics this overtly political and not have it be extremely awkward:

A mother was grieving he loss/her soldier the ultimate cost/she went to the man who?s been told he?s a king/waited outside of his compound to ask him a few things/she said ?for what noble cause did my son have to die/where are there weapons and why?d you have to lie.?

No artistic interpretation needed there.

Unfortunately, the sub-par dirge-y ?Imagine That? lasts almost eight minutes because in the middle of the song, Etheridge begins to break it down and lecture the crowd to get her political rocks off. Too bad she doesn?t know what the hell she?s talking about:

AmeriKKKa! [emphasis added] What happened to us? I mean last thing I remember I was in like eight grade, right? I was in about eight grade and I remember that was the first time I heard about this global-warming stuff, whatever, something's gonna happen in the future. I remember sitting in my eight-grade social-studies class, thinking ?oh yeah, I?m sure glad that?s going to be taken care of so when I become an adult I don?t have to worry about this global-warming stuff? because people were doing stuff back then. Because it was it was America, people were doing things. People were standing up when there was an unjust war.

Where to begin? It?s incoherent for starters, and I?d like to forget the bile-inducing Sixties? nostalgia. Most importantly, it?s completely factually wrong. As for the scientific consensus on global warming, everyone agrees that there is no significant evidence that global temperatures were starting to rise until 1979. Melissa Etheridge was born in 1961, and by my rough calculations that puts her in the eight-grade in 1975. Here?s a Newsweek article from that same year that begins, ?There are ominous signs that the Earth?s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production ? with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now.? Naturally, the article is discussing the emerging scientific consensus on global cooling.
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6:45: Second song, remarkably indistinguishable from the first. More ranting and raving. ?You?re gonna tell your children?s children about how we almost lost democracy.? Thanks Melissa, I?ll forego parenting advice from someone who chose an alcoholic walrus to father her child. Seriously, she just WON?T STOP. Speaking of stopping an unjust war, as a journalist being forced to listen to this I?m beginning to think this is my personal Vietnam. Not to trivialize the experience of veterans, but my father?s a Marine and I?m pretty confident he would have called in an airstrike by now.
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6:49: Al Gore takes the stage following Etheridge, acting a bit goofy and clearly energized. He then asks Live Earth viewers to enter into a seven-point pledge on global warming. There?s a lot too it but he kind of loses me on the first point: ?Demand that my country join an international treaty within the next two years that cuts global-warming pollution by 90 percent in developed countries and by more than half worldwide in time for the next generation to inherit a healthy earth.? 90 percent? Can we see an economic-impact study on that Al? Far be it from me to suggest that poverty is actually the root cause of much of the world?s pollution, particularly in the developing world.

Al segues into introducing a ?wonderful American rock band? the Foo Fighters performing in London. I?ll just note that the Foo Fighters last radio hit was a cover of Prince?s ?Darling Nikki,? the song supposedly so obscene when Tipper Gore heard her daughter listening to it, she formed the Parents? Music Resource Center and the ensuing congressional hearings forced the music industry to adopt parental warning stickers. Either she has no integrity whatsoever, or I?m imagining that concert organizers locked Tipper in a trunk under the under the stage with a ball gag in her mouth.

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

[Agriv8r]

read it once, couldnt do it again...couldn't you have just highlighted a few words to make your point.........