My girlfriend wants a prius

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

ENVIRONMENTAL COST:

The Toyota Prius Hybrid: $3.24 a mile
The Honda Civic hybrid: $3.23 a mile
The Big Awesome Shweet AZZ H2 Hummer: $3.02 a mile
and the H3: $1.94 a mile

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

[RuggedH2]

Is she serious? Really? Come on.....this has to be a put on here, right?

I am LMFAO! A real live crazy liberal making arguments for the enviro-mentally insane........ here at Elcova??

This has potential, I hope she sticks around for awhile. Maybe she can convert some of us.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by 03H3

Is she serious? Really? Come on.....this has to be a put on here, right?

I am LMFAO! A real live crazy liberal making arguments for the enviro-mentally insane........ here at Elcova??

This has potential, I hope she sticks around for awhile. Maybe she can convert some of us.

Thanks. I knew someone would appreciate me, even if it's just for the entertainment value. My sniffles have turned to a smile. I just hope that rubber duck lady doesn't come around or she'll ruin my new found glee.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that. The container ships trump SUVs in oil consumption.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

Yup, you got it. So...Why are you here anyway?

The Prius was amortized over 100,000-plus miles for a number of reasons.

The 100,000 mile life expectancy for Prius is time as well as distance sensitive. The historical data shows early Prius models were driven an average of only 6,700 miles per year (rounded). At that rate, the vehicle would require 15 years to reach 100,000 miles. It was our determination that is highly unlikely the '05 or '06 Prius models would still be in active service let alone serviceable 15 years from today.

The reason for this is twofold: First, the first and second generation Prius hybrid technologies are rapidly being replaced by lighter, more efficient systems for the new and upcoming Prius versions.

Historically, vehicles that become obsolete have a shorter life span (in time) than existing or serviceable technology.

Second, competitive vehicles to Prius are being planned by virtually all automakers using either Prius-like dual-mode or plug-in hybrid technology (e.g. Chevrolet Volt). This competition, looking at the historic context which is all we can do, is likely to drive the value of older technology Prius models lower. We've already seen the early stages of this happening with decreasing used values for all of the original batch of hybrids.
At some point, economic considerations make it far more practical for owners (or dealers who receive them in trade) to "retire" the vehicles because a limited used-vehicle market would exist for it. Again, in Prius's case this is time, not necessarily only mileage, sensitive.

Can the Prius be driven more than 100,000 miles? Of course. The vehicle is superbly engineered. But this assumes the average Prius driver begins using the car more often. If the Prius were driven the American average of 13,000 miles per year, it would hit the 100,000 mile mark in 7.6 years, well within its attractive (financially and technologically) useful life span. In 10 years, again about the maximum for ground-breaking technology, it would have registered 130,000 miles. Mechanically, there is no logical reason for the Prius not to last 130,000 miles or more.

The latest data shows Prius owners are driving more than early Prius owners and the use of the vehicle is becoming a primary means of transportation in a household rather than a novelty. But the average annual mileage, outside of certain southern-tier states, remains barely above 7,000 per year.

Other components on the Prius, such as tires, are less distance-mileage friendly than non-hybrids of the same size and weight. For example, surveys of Prius owners by us and other research companies show barely 16,000 miles average life for original-equipment tires compared to 43,000 for Toyota Corolla. This high-tech tire uses a compound and design that reduces rolling resistance and thus improves fuel economy. But the typical replacement tire for a Prius will not likely be the OEM specialty variety, cutting both fuel economy and distance-per-battery charge of the Prius.

As for Hummer, much of the design, development and manufacturing energy costs are spread across more than just this single model. (One of the original and recent Prius disadvantages, quickly being turned around.)
In addition, the platform, power train and other mechanical components are shared with a variety of other GM products and have a significantly longer post-disposal life in the replacement market. Higher volume of components speeds manufacturing and reduces energy per-unit costs. Add the simplicity of disposing of the Hummer and the entire per-mile cost becomes lower even though the fuel economy is staggeringly worse than Prius.

And as I pointed out in the past, the energy cost per mile is unequivocally going to decline for Prius over time as the technology continues to spread across other models and the disposal/scrap industry learns how to deal with its high-tech materials and components.

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Read it all for yourself. It's perfectly logical to the educated.

Then get a Schwinn Bish!

[ChiHummer3]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Yup, you got it. So...Why are you here anyway?
Read it all for yourself. It's perfectly logical to the educated.

Then get a Schwinn Bish!

LMAO!!!

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Yup, you got it.

CNW ...... again?

Must be old data. In 2005 the Canadian Prius cab fleet recognized their first Prius to hit 200,000 miles on the original hybrid component system. Plans were to transition the fleet to more Prius. For profit companies wouldn't be doing this if there were cost ramifications to the transition.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/

http://communities.canada.com/windso...and-going.aspx

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

CNW ...... again?

Must be old data. In 2005 the Canadian Prius cab fleet recognized their first Prius to hit 200,000 miles on the original hybrid component system. Plans were to transition the fleet to more Prius. For profit companies wouldn't be doing this if there were cost ramifications to the transition.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/

http://communities.canada.com/windso...and-going.aspx

You didn't read it did you. This is the educating part I was tawking about.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

You didn't read it did you. This is the educating part I was tawking about.

OK, you're right. I didn't read it as I've been conditioned to ignore anything published by CNW.

Now I've read it and had to ask myself what kind of a statement and vision is that for the progress of technological advances in the United States. With any progress, there is waste until such progress is refined and reaches it's potential. Brings to mind computers and space travel. Were these advances all for naught? So, we should just continue to design automobiles status quo while other countries engage in progressive technologies and recognize potential gains in usurping our GDP? Bad.

Concerning cost impacts and environmental impacts concluded by them, lots of assumptions and application of historical data applied to arrive at the conclusion. So, it appears the jury is still out so far as their "study" is concerned. Maybe that's why I read somewhere that they refuse to disclose their methodology for the study. It would be nice if some entity would provide solid research as I'm sure it would be helpful for some people in selecting their purchase.

[wpage]

Wait till she meets those rude Toyo sales asswipes...

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

OK, you're right. I didn't read it as I've been conditioned to ignore anything published by CNW.

Now I've read it and had to ask myself what kind of a statement and vision is that for the progress of technological advances in the United States. With any progress, there is waste until such progress is refined and reaches it's potential. Brings to mind computers and space travel. Were these advances all for naught? So, we should just continue to design automobiles status quo while other countries engage in progressive technologies and recognize potential gains in usurping our GDP? Bad.

Concerning cost impacts and environmental impacts concluded by them, lots of assumptions and application of historical data applied to arrive at the conclusion. So, it appears the jury is still out so far as their "study" is concerned. Maybe that's why I read somewhere that they refuse to disclose their methodology for the study. It would be nice if some entity would provide solid research as I'm sure it would be helpful for some people in selecting their purchase.

Well, when someone other than CNW does such a study we'll quote from them as well.

And I dunno what it says about the US, but I know what it says for technological advances in Japan. They can do what they want, all I know is- you are buying into it.

Hummers are American and American tax monies (thank the Bush admin) is funding research for Hydrogen energy, presently being researched by GM and other American companies.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Well, when someone other than CNW does such a study we'll quote from them as well.

And I dunno what it says about the US, but I know what it says for technological advances in Japan. They can do what they want, all I know is- you are buying into it.

Hummers are American and American tax monies (thank the Bush admin) is funding research for Hydrogen energy, presently being researched by GM and other American companies.

I believe Bush (as well as former Presidents) gives more money (billions of it) to big oil. Then, they don't even have to pay to clean up their mess (Valdez). However, I'm grateful he's starting to fund alternative energy. It's going to help prompt further research and development. And, we shouldn't just be focusing on one technology. For instance, biodiesel will require enormous land use and potentially infringe on your off roading space. I haven't looked into it lately, but I'm guessing that the energy that goes into the extraction of hydrogen is enormous and potentially offsets any benefits.

As for your last comment of me buying into imported technology, it's probably responsible for some Americans to support this technology or American companies will never get off their complacent as*es and step up with competing technology.

GM may be American but they're outsourcing more of their manufacturing to other countries and there's word that they're now demanding that their suppliers outsource as well in order to bring down their overall expenses.

http://www.lsj.com/news/business/040323_gm_1a-5a.html

The definition of what it is to be an American Company is now drenched in muddy water. I, for one, am negatively affected by this. Maybe it's time that we Americans get off our complacent as*es and demand better for ourselves and our country.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

I believe Bush (as well as former Presidents) gives more money (billions of it) to big oil. Then, they don't even have to pay to clean up their mess (Valdez). However, I'm grateful he's starting to fund alternative energy. It's going to help prompt further research and development. And, we shouldn't just be focusing on one technology. For instance, biodiesel will require enormous land use and potentially infringe on your off roading space. I haven't looked into it lately, but I'm guessing that the energy that goes into the extraction of hydrogen is enormous and potentially offsets any benefits.

As for your last comment of me buying into imported technology, it's probably responsible for some Americans to support this technology or American companies will never get off their complacent as*es and step up with competing technology.

GM may be American but they're outsourcing more of their manufacturing to other countries and there's word that they're now demanding that their suppliers outsource as well in order to bring down their overall expenses.

http://www.lsj.com/news/business/040323_gm_1a-5a.html

The definition of what it is to be an American Company is now drenched in muddy water. I, for one, am negatively affected by this. Maybe it's time that we Americans get off our complacent as*es and demand better for ourselves and our country.

Duh huh.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by zoe1

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

You have to be a plant...no intelligent person says I, me, i've so much in just a few paragraphs...

Are you with greenpeace, or save the world, or are you part of gores goonies ???

the best part is that

"""U have supplied us with a reasonable summary"""

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

[b][size=3][color=blue]You have to be a plant...no intelligent person says

Good observation. I will try not to say "I" or "me" when defending myself against future attacks.

Crap. It just happened again.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by zoe1

Good observation. I will try not to say "I" or "me" when defending myself against future attacks.

Crap. It just happened again.

In what city and state do you reside...

[zoe1]

I'm scared to tell you. Why do you ask? I don't live in California, if that's what you're thinking.

[DennisAJC]

Originally Posted by zoe1

I'm scared to tell you. Why do you ask? I don't live in California, if that's what you're thinking.

I wouldn't be too scared. You could walk away from him and still escape.

[ChiHummer3]

Sorry RYD - but that's pretty funny!

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by zoe1

I'm scared to tell you. Why do you ask? I don't live in California, if that's what you're thinking.

Are you used to thinking what others might be thinking?

It better not be Illinois.