disappointment... then a question!

[Sewie]

The truck isn't the problem.......

[JaKaL]

Originally Posted by Sewie

The truck isn't the problem.......

In all fairness, i have been wheelin for almost 10 years, From Greensboro, NC to Ft. Lauderdale, FL to now the Wharton state forrest in NJ. In the ruts that the jeeps coast across, my h3 just sinks to the skid plates. I have gotten a good bit of speed, but take in mind, these arent flat straight mud pits, these are bumpy, ditched, mud ruts, to much speed and theres a good chance of destroying the whole front suspension. All that Im saying is, I just expected more from this truck...

Anyone in the S. jersey area is more then welcome to come and test thier might with this truck!

[RuggedH2]

I realize that conditions are all different from place to place, but I have run mud with Jeeps (with deep rutted tracks), and my 3 never did any worse than the Jeeps I run with all the time. I get that you have done all this for years, I just don't know what to tell ya other than momentum is key, and if you are hanging up on the frame, sooner or later you are going to get stuck

The Jeeps I wheel with are not stock, all of them have at least 35's on and so does my H3.

Those Toyo M/T's kick ass in mud. I have the Pro Comp AT's now on my H2. I haven't put those in the mud yet, it's 95 degrees everyday and there is no mud to be found close to here. Good Luck, I don't think it's just the weight of the rig.

[blindzebra]

you're totally right. If the truck isn't up to your specs, get something else. No harm no foul

[RuggedH2]

This hillbilly video always cracks me up.

That H2 is heavier than any H3 I know of, seems to go pretty good in those ruts though. It's always fun to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUBUH7EyOc

[JaKaL]

Thanks for the feedback, just seein what everyone else's thoughts are on the subject, nice Vid too! I'll tryin hittin the mud a little harder and see what happens tomorrow! Got a full day of wheelin.

One more question, when the truck does get stuck i seem to have one wheel up front always not moving! What happened to this "as long as one wheel is on the ground you can move the truck" mumbo jumbo!?

[RazM]

Proof of ownership, please...

Seriously, you're talking a lot of **** for someone who's supposedly been wheeling for such a long time.

If you're doing so much offroading, figure it out yourself, that's what we've all done. There's not THAT much to try before you get used to the rig and see what works best.

Or go buy a Jeep and wonder how to fit 35's on without a lift

And one more thing, I see 13 posts, and majority are bitching. If you think i'm being an ass, well that's the reason.

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by JaKaL

Thanks for the feedback, just seein what everyone else's thoughts are on the subject, nice Vid too! I'll tryin hittin the mud a little harder and see what happens tomorrow! Got a full day of wheelin.

One more question, when the truck does get stuck i seem to have one wheel up front always not moving! What happened to this "as long as one wheel is on the ground you can move the truck" mumbo jumbo!?

Listen Jakal, you have been wheeling for years but you're still new here, you have stated that you're disappointed with the performance of the rig. Understand that you are not just insulting your own rig (and HUMMER), but everybody else here that drives the same truck (people will get pissed at ya). Every truck is gonna be a little different than others, you have to learn to drive this particular rig well. This truck is much more capable than most.

A good, experienced driver of a less capable rig - many times can outperform a more capable rig (look at the Hummer bashing videos of inexperienced drivers in their H1's, bested by Jeeps). Obviously, that doesn't mean a Jeep will always outperform an H1.

There is a video out there of a Jeep Liberty running the Z turn on Moab Rim (4+ obstacle). The guy driving it walks it and makes it look easy. That certainly doesn't mean that every Jeep Liberty can make this run, matter of fact, most - can't, period. That driver has made that run dozens of times in several different rigs- he knows where to put the truck.

There is no substitute for experience - most wheelers learn by doing. They can't be afraid to fail a few times. Extreme conditions require the knowledge of how far you can push it without breaking it. Most people can't know this without a little perspective. If you're getting stuck in mud and nothing is broken, give it some more throttle (incrementally).

As far as the Mumbo Jumbo- the wheel on the ground still has to have traction to move the vehicle, even slipping in mud requires some traction to move.

[marin8703]

Originally Posted by JaKaL

Thanks for the feedback, just seein what everyone else's thoughts are on the subject, nice Vid too! I'll tryin hittin the mud a little harder and see what happens tomorrow! Got a full day of wheelin.

One more question, when the truck does get stuck i seem to have one wheel up front always not moving! What happened to this "as long as one wheel is on the ground you can move the truck" mumbo jumbo!?

well dont know if its mumbo jumbo but here it is. since the wheel is not moving, tht means it has traction, at least more than the ones that are moving. But that means nothing, because in an open diff power always goes to the wheels with least traction. to move teh wheel with most traction you need to have a locker, which will divide the power evenly.

you dont have a locker in the front. in order for any truck to be true 4x4 it needs to have front rear and center lockers, and they must all be engaged. This is not good on pavement.

oh and btw, if you are hung up on the frame or skids, and you are in all locked front, rear, center (true 4x4) that still doesnt gaurantee it will move. As you apply more power that one wheel not slipping might start to slip, or you will break something

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by JaKaL

when the truck does get stuck i seem to have one wheel up front always not moving! What happened to this "as long as one wheel is on the ground you can move the truck" mumbo jumbo!?

I think he's referring to the traction control system. But to expect that system to move the entire truck through heavy mud, with three wheels spinning, through the open front end.......isn't realistic.