What does everything think about the gas/h20 mix for big fuel efficiency..?

[MDimitri]

If there is no symptom of degradation to valves, pistons, rings and actual Hydrogen & Oxygen burn in the cylinder along with atomized fuel then this is a viable alternative. The below numbers are impressive: Albeit some of the numbers barely get by the 50% mark. A negligible improvement was on the GMC-2500, but still enough for the owner to realize a savings.

[CrackerJackToy]

Originally Posted by MDimitri

If there is no symptom of degradation to valves, pistons, rings and actual Hydrogen & Oxygen burn in the cylinder along with atomized fuel then this is a viable alternative. The below numbers are impressive: Albeit some of the numbers barely get by the 50% mark. A negligible improvement was on the GMC-2500, but still enough for the owner to realize a savings.

This is exactly what im talking about. Hydrogen based alternative fuel.

(Sorry for putting h20 which is water in the title, guys.) I am FULLY aware of what methanol/alcohol/water injection is, and how it works. I used to drive an evo, and that is the every day norm for evo drivers to do. Although, I am NOT talking about water injection here, rather, I meant hydrogen!

A local guy here on my local car forum has a home made kit he put together for his bike. He claims before he was getting 60mpg, and after the kit (which I could have swore he said gas and h20 mix), he claims hes getting 150mpg. I believe he is running straight hydrogen though, and not a hydrogen/gas mix.

I figure, why not implement this into the H2, and get 25mpg in the city.

[CrackerJackToy]

Here is a quote from him, from earlier.

I build a hydrogen generator that basically has 2 stainless plates that conduct 20 amps through a very small cell that then produces what is called brown's gas. It splits the Oxygen and hydrogen atoms and converts them to a gas. So you get hyrdrogen (which is the fuel) WITH OXYGEN which makes more power.

It got 60mpg before the cell.

[NoMoGMPG]

Originally Posted by MDimitri

If there is no symptom of degradation to valves, pistons, rings and actual Hydrogen & Oxygen burn in the cylinder along with atomized fuel then this is a viable alternative. The below numbers are impressive: Albeit some of the numbers barely get by the 50% mark. A negligible improvement was on the GMC-2500, but still enough for the owner to realize a savings.

This such a crock of psuedo-science and junk documentation. Hydrogen by itself has virtually no power output when burned. It is also a ganged element, meaning that in natural form, 2 atoms are bonded, i.e. H2. (Clever huh, H2 forum...oh nevermind). In a typical hydrocarbon, there can be up to 26 Hydrogen atoms PER molecule! The claims that a vehicle mounted electralysis device will convert milliliters of water into enough hydrogen to propel a full size vehicle hundreds of kilometers is ludicrious.

HHO gas, or Brown's gas, can and does burn hot. That's it, but as an alternative fuel source? No way. There isn't enough BTU per gram. Also, it is extremely dangerous to store, a single blowback can destroy the generator system very fast, think Hindenberg.

The best way to utilize Hydrogen is the fuel cell, stripping the single electron, utilize the negative charge for "work", then returning it to its proton unchanged where it is combined with oxygen to make water. I'm all for that, bring on the diesel/fuel cell electric Hummer! We would be able to sneak right up and drive over the leaf lickers as they sniff their self-righteous asses and lick psychodelic toad skin.

[CrackerJackToy]

Originally Posted by NoMoGMPG

This such a crock of psuedo-science and junk documentation. Hydrogen by itself has virtually no power output when burned. It is also a ganged element, meaning that in natural form, 2 atoms are bonded, i.e. H2. (Clever huh, H2 forum...oh nevermind). In a typical hydrocarbon, there can be up to 26 Hydrogen atoms PER molecule! The claims that a vehicle mounted electralysis device will convert milliliters of water into enough hydrogen to propel a full size vehicle hundreds of kilometers is ludicrious.

HHO gas, or Brown's gas, can and does burn hot. That's it, but as an alternative fuel source? No way. There isn't enough BTU per gram. Also, it is extremely dangerous to store, a single blowback can destroy the generator system very fast, think Hindenberg.

The best way to utilize Hydrogen is the fuel cell, stripping the single electron, utilize the negative charge for "work", then returning it to its proton unchanged where it is combined with oxygen to make water. I'm all for that, bring on the diesel/fuel cell electric Hummer! We would be able to sneak right up and drive over the leaf lickers as they sniff their self-righteous asses and lick psychodelic toad skin.

Ok, so then how about gasoline + hydrogen injection if hydrogen has no power output?.. Hydrogen is very flammable. There is a HUGE amount of people who have test hydrogen injection over the net who have great & positive results. I have yet to come across someone who has tried it & had no results whatsoever. But then again... you & I have never tried, so we cant really give any real input here.

[NoMoGMPG]

Originally Posted by CrackerJackToy

Ok, so then how about gasoline + hydrogen injection if hydrogen has no power output?.. Hydrogen is very flammable. There is a HUGE amount of people who have test hydrogen injection over the net who have great & positive results. I have yet to come across someone who has tried it & had no results whatsoever. But then again... you & I have never tried, so we cant really give any real input here.

Unless results are documented in a controlled closed enviroment, any claim to "positive" results are subjective. More like superfluous hyperbole. The simple rule in both chemistry and physics is you cannot get out more energy than you put in, that would be equal to perpertual motion. So, in theory, you will extract the energy from burning H2 and O2 equal to or less than, the energy to seperate the molucule. Hardly substantial.

The only way Hydrogen would be of any benefit to a modern gasoline burning engine is in compressed liquid form, which I highly doubt can be attained by these "huge amount of people" on the net. Those hydrogen bubblers I've seen on Youtube wouldn't produce enough hydrogen to fill a combustion chamber in a minute, let alone at 4-5k RPM.

[CrackerJackToy]

Well I plan to conduct my own testing, & I will update everyone with my findings.