Obama Wins!!!!!

[SnakeH2]

I love this stuff. I am also as interested as Ken in what change is expected. We have a handful on this thread that should be happy to reply, yet they sit and drink their Kool-Aid...

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

DON'T YOU KNOW !!!

Change is good and good is good so change is not only good but its change...

and

if we can change what we had yesterday to the change of today then that is even gooder, becage change is good...

and

think of the change from yesterday to today, the good change, and then you look at the change we can have tomorrow, my gosh...

change is good...

and on

and on

and on !!!


(i wish i had that JIB-JAB animation on CHANGE) it explains it all...
the one of Obama tip toeing through the tulips with the sparkeling teeth in the big smile singing...

[Ed G.]

1. Healthcare - pass a bill to reform our health insurance system. Make it more affordable to small businesses and the middle class.

2. Energy - invest more money in alternative energy and start drilling in Alaska. No more having our countries energy program controlled by foreign countries and big US oil companies.

3.The Wars in Iraq / Afganistan - End it now. get our troops home. The Iraqi government should be able to stand on its own. It's time to let the Iraqi people fight for the own freedom. Quit farting around in Afganistan, send more troops and do what it takes to capture and kill Bin Laden.

4. Tax Reform - don't know where to start.

5. Invest in America - create good jobs by rebuilding our infrastucture and develope an energy program that will eventually free us from our large dependance on foreign countries to provide our huge energy needs.

The biggest change I'm looking for with Obama is to find answers to our problems not just push it off to future generations.

[KenP]

Originally Posted by Ed G.

1. Healthcare - pass a bill to reform our health insurance system. Make it more affordable to small businesses and the middle class.

Both candidates proposals aren't perfect. Neither will really help until there's competition among insurance companies from across state borders. Until that happens there won't be much in the way of competition and no incentives to keep costs down.

Obama wants more government control. All that leads to is higher overall cost. Someone has to pay for the programs and that's the taxpayer, not business because they just pass the cost to the consumer.

2. Energy - invest more money in alternative energy and start drilling in Alaska. No more having our countries energy program controlled by foreign countries and big US oil companies.

Actually, Obama was against offshore drilling, then changed his mind so he could drill for votes. He embraced a compromise bill from the Gang Of 10 because it was politically expedient. However, Pelosi, Reid, et al are against offshore drilling so much they shut down Congress earlier this year to avoid a vote on it.

The Senate bill would have repealed tax breaks for oil companies theat the Dems have been fighting for two years and would have funded research for better fuel efficiency.

As far as alternative energy, both candidates were very similar, but noteably the Obama/Biden ticket is against clean coal.

3.The Wars in Iraq / Afganistan - End it now. get our troops home. The Iraqi government should be able to stand on its own. It's time to let the Iraqi people fight for the own freedom. Quit farting around in Afganistan, send more troops and do what it takes to capture and kill Bin Laden.

We can't just pull out and de-stabilize the entire Middle East. The Surge, which Obama was against, has worked. The US has handed over control of 13 of 16 provinces.

Just today Gen. Patreas said he's going to send more troops home.

You seriously can't believe for one second that Obama is going to cut and run from Iraq when we're almost finished there.

4. Tax Reform - don't know where to start.

I'll start for you, raise taxes in a Recession and head straight for Depression. That's a fact, it's happened everytime and the voting liberals just don't get it. Or they ignore it.

Lower taxes and everytime revenue to the Federal Government has increased. That's also a fact, it's happened everytime.

Increase taxes on businesses and they first cut jobs, then raise prices. We all get to pay more for our products. It's happened everytime.

Then there's his Socialist view coming out in him wanting to take my money and give it to someone else. To bring about financial parity. Heck, he could have given the world a demonstration by giving McCain 42% of his donations. That was the right thing to do, but he didn't do it.

5. Invest in America - create good jobs by rebuilding our infrastucture and develope an energy program that will eventually free us from our large dependance on foreign countries to provide our huge energy needs.

New Deal #2, or maybe TVA #2. That's artificial job creation and doesn't come from within. It's a way to keep people busy. Sure it provides a check for the families, but with higher prices it won't mean much.

You already touched on energy and both candidates were very similar.

The biggest change I'm looking for with Obama is to find answers to our problems not just push it off to future generations.

Fail. Where do you think Obama's trillion dollar spending increase is going to come from? He can't print the money, he's going to borrow it so he doesn't have to worry about it. Future generations will.

The only way to accomplish what is needed is to cut taxes, increase business growth and cut spending.

During Reagan's years when taxes were cut revenue more than doubled. The problem was the Democratic controlled Congress that didn't stop spending.

The buracratic thought process makes them spend money. If they don't, they get less for their programs the following year. It's cyclical and ingrained and both parties have a problem with it.

[Metallic Red]

Doesn't matter who you put in office, they are all CROOKS!!


Keep this going, I'm getting a good laugh.


Oh by the way are we supposed to take down our American Flags
for the next 4 years or what??

Should we be flying an African flag ??

[ssgharkness020147]

Originally Posted by Ed G.

1. Healthcare - pass a bill to reform our health insurance system. Make it more affordable to small businesses and the middle class.

2. Energy - invest more money in alternative energy and start drilling in Alaska. No more having our countries energy program controlled by foreign countries and big US oil companies.

3.The Wars in Iraq / Afganistan - End it now. get our troops home. The Iraqi government should be able to stand on its own. It's time to let the Iraqi people fight for the own freedom. Quit farting around in Afganistan, send more troops and do what it takes to capture and kill Bin Laden.

4. Tax Reform - don't know where to start.

5. Invest in America - create good jobs by rebuilding our infrastucture and develope an energy program that will eventually free us from our large dependance on foreign countries to provide our huge energy needs.

The biggest change I'm looking for with Obama is to find answers to our problems not just push it off to future generations.

1: Healthcare... I'm not going to even comment.

2: Obama drilling in Alaska, are you ****ing kidding? Hasn't happened yet and it isn't going to. Enjoying your $4.00 a gallon gasoline yet?

3: Iraq and Afghanistan. Explain to me how he's different than Bush in this regard?

4: Thank god he wasn't able to "reform" taxes.

5: Invest in America. Or continue to sell it to China.

The biggest change I'm looking for with Obama is to find answers to our problems not just push it off to future generations.

You mean by creating things like massive spending programs, "stimulus" funds, creating an unsustainable healthcare program, massive government expansion, soaring debt, and possible inflation worries? I'm sure you're glad he didn't do any of those things.

[ssgharkness020147]

Paging Stockstar.

Originally Posted by StockStar

WTF. this is'nt the place to flex your political stance. There are plenty of forums that will allow you to express yourself about politics, but this isnt the one.

Here is one for you. Enjoy
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Ed G.

3.The Wars in Iraq / Afganistan - End it now. get our troops home. The Iraqi government should be able to stand on its own. It's time to let the Iraqi people fight for the own freedom. Quit farting around in Afganistan, send more troops and do what it takes to capture and kill Bin Laden.

Nevermind the other stuff but I guess none of these predictions or hopes came through.

Obama flat out lied to the people. He said he would remove troops from over there.

He did and replaced them with private civilian mercenaries (like black water people) at a cost of triple the money.

It was costing us 50K (on average) to keep the troops there per year per troop.

Now we?re paying 150K per civilian per year to keep their replacements there.

Obama SUCKS ass.


Mark