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Old 08-25-2012, 04:13 PM
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Summit, i went with the Moog tie-rods because of one thing....these will act as a fusible links on the steering. If i install a stronger tie-rods, something will give down the line. It's easier to replace the tie-rods especially on the trails.

As Tomp said, you can buy the strongest tie rods you can find and they still will be the first thing to give out, as there really is "nothing down the line" that will give way before even the strongest TR does. Sure it's easy to replace the TR's on the trail, but it's still no fun and you will be doing that more often than you like!

Here a video of our friend Alec losing a tie rod on a very easy trail here in Colorado, shows how easy it is to break an OEM style TR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrdwXXat14

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Recently, i busted my RF inner half-shaft....luckily a friend of mine had a spare and i replaced it on the trail....imagine if the half-shaft didn't give, the next in-line is the diffirential. I replaced it with Cardone Select and i never had any problem yet.
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Oh yeah, I've been there, done that. Last time was in Moab, and guess what? The half shaft I grenaded was a Cardone Select! Nothing is bullet proof, and IMO the Cardones are no stronger than OEM's.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:19 PM
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Summit, i always thought about the weakest link in the system, easier and cheaper when it need replacements. You and tomp really changing how i viewed this especially with our trucks. I only install the Cardone Select because it's cheaper than oem and i read somewhere that it was a good choice for cranked tb keys to prevent vibrations above 70mph.

On the other hand, did you ever fix or are you still having issues on the cognito steering support bracket, i found your thread on the other forum. I hope that i won't have any rubbing issues after i've install mine.

I'm all open to suggestions especially from you guys that knows H2 more than me and more experienced off-roaders. I think this is we're a good forum shines. Hat's off to you both.

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Old 08-25-2012, 11:02 PM
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That was likely me that reported cardones have less vibration with cranked TBs above 70mph. It was very clear they are smoother when cranked.
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That was likely me that reported cardones have less vibration with cranked TBs above 70mph. It was very clear they are smoother when cranked.

Maybe that's why i never have vibrations at highway speeds.

Did you ever have problems or replaced your torsion key support bracket bushings?
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:34 PM
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Summit, i always thought about the weakest link in the system, easier and cheaper when it need replacements. You and tomp really changing how i viewed this especially with our trucks. I only install the Cardone Select because it's cheaper than oem and i read somewhere that it was a good choice for cranked tb keys to prevent vibrations above 70mph.

On the other hand, did you ever fix or are you still having issues on the cognito steering support bracket, i found your thread on the other forum. I hope that i won't have any rubbing issues after i've install mine.

I'm all open to suggestions especially from you guys that knows H2 more than me and more experienced off-roaders. I think this is we're a good forum shines. Hat's off to you both.

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Citiboy, I assume the thread your referring to was on the H-u-m-m-e-r-X forum? <LINK>

I started the Same Thread here on Elcova as well (and I see the photos that I linked from the H-u-m-m-e-r-X site don't show anymore. Elcova has since instigated a policy of not allowing links to other Hummer sites, total BS if you ask me, but as you see from the link above there are ways around this!). The problem your referring to was not seen by everyone, and we finally concluded that the reason for it was that there were differences in the actual castings of the steering knuckles (and perhaps LCA's) due to different production runs from different subs who provided the parts to GM. This also explained why some had rubbing issues with 37" tires and some did not.

At any rate at that time I solved the problem (for myself at least) with the modification of adjustable turn limit bump stops. But this is all moot for me at this point as I have replaced all the OEM steering components with a custom Hydro-Assist steering upgrade.
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I have replaced all the OEM steering components with a custom Hydro-Assist steering upgrade.

...of which we are still awaiting pics
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:03 PM
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...of which we are still awaiting pics
OK, asked and answered!

As shown in This Post from This Thread from way back in 2004. Can't take credit for the design, I purchased this from Hummie2 about a year ago when he sold his H2. Best upgrade ever for my Deuce!

OEM steering components shown at bottom of photo, replaced by Hydro-Assist components shown at the top:
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:29 PM
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Wow, that's some serious steering upgrades...man, if i know these upgrades before i bought my steering parts...i'm gonna get this instead. Well, this goin' to be on my many upgrades to do list. Can you tell me some of your experience on this set-up.
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